I think we may be speaking about different situations but even then, your situation is definitely NOT bullying. the two "alpha" males you speak of were only used as mediators and it was obvious to everyone whose side they were on. Especially Danny has made it clear how he felt about Simon, so how is he suddenly one of "his" boys

The situation we are talking about was when Simon said he didn't feel chloe should have said he's a "flop" and she said he got what was coming for him? He the said he didn't like her, and apparently no one is allowed to not like her cause suddenly everyone jumped in telling him to "**** off" and that "no one wants him there" and make sure the bed sheets are not "wrinkled" after him

It was uncomfortable to watch but it was a discussion he instigated, he brought it to the group after reducing Chloe to tears, to say to someone outright, repeatedly I don't like you is really harsh and he must have known it wouldn't have ended well. Yes Chloe hurt him by saying he was a flop and hitting him where it hurt but he should have talked to her one on one instead of keeping it going to another house mate when she walked in.

My issue was when Joel was speaking to him one on one, articulated, normal voiced he said I'm not scared of you. My goodness, it to me seems like a constant aim to play the victim. He says things he knows will cause a reaction then highlights how alone and by himself he is.

I think if he drops all the dramatics "look real tears" and stops setting up arguments he probably would find himself on "a journey".

I did like Crystal Canary

I found this harsh, unhelpful and really uncomfortable, I am not a Simon fan but feel that wasn't called for at all.

They're all.looking to get on his back.

Everyone's entitled not to like a person, but how people behaviour after ward's is what's important.

He's giving actual victims a bad rep.

I don't find Harry very nice at times

If you are an absolute arse, a complete flake, terrible actor and alienate just about everyone in your environment then it isn't bullying if people pick you up on it.

How has he done this? People alienate him because of what they say is "wrong" that he did, despite them themselves having done it before

I think Chloe's rather honest admission at the start of tonight's show in the diary room sheds some light on the BIB.

"Yesterday he [Marc] was a bit of a knob. He kept saying fat comments. But he wasn't too bad to me yesterday (sic) and the day before he was awful to Joel - he was nasty to Cristian yesterday - the day before that it was Joel he was getting at. So I just try and suck up to him so he's not nasty to me, so he picks on somebody else. I feel like if I laugh at his shit jokes then I can be in his gang and he can get somebody else. Because I'm a loser."

Simon's an easy target for their frustrations with Marc, which they daren't express, though of course Simon hardly helps himself. I think that was clear when they were hailing Marc's part in the question and answer thing as "sound" while ganging up on Simon for answering the same questions in the same way.

Plus of course Jack and Joel have it personally in for Simon because he nommed them.

I'm not denying any of the charges; he's an absolute arse because of the way he comports himself; ditto flake. He's a TERRIBLE actor! Nick really called him on that and Simon laughed it off. to be fair. I don't know what he has done to purposefully alienate himself, unless you're insinuating all of the above?

The problem is that NONE of the above are the reasons they're giving for attacking him. They attacked him because he nominated Eileen - using the exact same reasoning they've used themselves; and saying Chloe shouldn't win because she's coasting and hasn't done enough - which is exactly what we've all been saying from the start.

He's playing the victim on this, and I don't have any sympathy for him at all. Sorry but I think he has brought it upon himself and tells loads of lies.

How - specifically - has he brought it on himself? And what lies has he told?

I just don't buy it that's all and his tears to me aren't real. He just talks about people behind their backs when he could tell it to their faces. The fact the crowd chanted "get Simon out" means he is playing a game and I'm not taken in by it.

No, he is being picked on too much. Where is the fair play?

Do you think the crowd are seeing something you don't have access to? I'm asking about your views. What did he do to deserve this and what lies did he tell?

Did they say anything like "she's had half her life", like Simon did? No.


It's not a witch hunt.

Where does the "honestly" come from? We're not mind-readers, and some HMs never seem to get the assumption that they're honest.

It was not the exact same reasoning they used themselves, and why is Simon's "I don't like you. I don't like you. I don't like you" being dropped out of this?

What's so bad about mentioning age in a nomination reason anyway? If age shouldn't matter. then people out here shouldn't be saying they want older HMs or even a wider range of ages, and certainly shouldn't be saying that older HMs make better HMs.

Hi Veri What's dishonest or insulting about saying that someone in their 50s has had half their life? It's - optimistically - the truth. I know it's disingenuous given that he's at least the same age himself, but it's still the truth and it's not nasty or an insult. Simply truth.

I think on the part of Chloe, Jack, Joel and to a lesser extent Jade and Danny, it is a bit of a witch hunt and I think it's coming from their inability to tackle the true irritant that is Marc. They can't deal with him; so they bottle all of their discombobulation, aim and fire at Simon because, let's be fair, he's far more one-dimensional than Marc and transparently irritating. He's a far more quantifiable target; so they've targeted him because, after the four person eviction, they felt they had to target someone.

I think it's all resolvable, to be fair; apart from Jack and Joel. I think those two are fundamentally negative, competitive and bent on conflict. They were the two who targeted Jade most insidiously and they're doing the same with Simon.

I think Simon's a horror, by the way; but I admire the production for the way his very being has exposed the others.

The more you aimlessly shout "bullying" the more it dilutes the meaning of word.

The sooner people learn the actual definition of bullying and stop loosely throwing it around the better.

Exactly? People are acting like he skins and eat babies. He may be annoying and 2 faced but most of them are two faced in there.Why he the only one who is being punished for this crime?

Jack, chloe et al are weak cowards. They're going for Simon because he's an easy target. They don't have enough courage to take him on one by one they always have to surround him. They're a pack of Hyenas.

It may not be full-blown bullying but they're picking on him a tad. Unfortunately some people are giving them a pass because they don't like Simon.

Cristian was the only one to come out of it looking half decent tbf

Doubly punished. When he said something behind Chloe's back they ganged up on him and called him a dirty snake. So when Chloe walked in while he was moaning to Danny about being called a "flop" he did what they've asked, not be two-faced. He let Chloe know he was talking about her and didn't like her and she started crying, so they ganged up on him all over again, this time for being nasty and making a girl cry. He can't win.

I'm slightly honoured you'd quote me because you always seem to write exactly what I think. Needless to say - completely needless - I agree completely.


I think Simon's 'I don't like you, I don't like, I don't like you' speaks to Simon's character which I've never liked, I don't like now and I don't envision myself ever liking. It speaks only vaguely to their reactions to him; prior to this, especially. And it was the exact same reasoning. Per example - Simon said during his nomination; and I remember it very clearly because it hit a chord with me - that Eileen was laying in the bedroom all day and not interacting. But the DS narrative made his nomination solely about her age. It wasn't. If it requires a transcript, I'll do it - maybe not tonight though.