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ultros

06-06-2015

Originally Posted by Veri:
“That's one of the places where these arguments lose me. They have not done the exact same thing. Did anyone else say Eileen has lived half her life and so should give younger HMs a chance? (No.) Did any say that after telling her they loved her, was thrilled she was still there, etc? (No.) Did any respond to someone asking why they'd brought something up again by saying "I don't like you. I don't like you. I just don't like you", and when asked again, "I don't like you. I don't like you. I don't like you. I don't like you. ...", and when asked why, returning to "I don't like you. I don't like you", until this patronising, passive aggressive, deliberately irritating stuff had the person in tears? (No.)”

The original housemates (including Jack twice) before the newbies came in used Eileen who they all got on with as the easy option, who would provide the least repercussions when it was inevitably revealed. And they all sighted her age as they had nothing else as an excuse... the same as Simon did.
He thought she'd be the easy option/least repercussions, just why the others kept nominating her!!!
That's why he picked her... just as they did after knowing her for far longer than Simon did.

Simon's response in the bedroom on tonight's HL's was an OTT reaction to the situation created with Chloe (who he had previously thought he got on with, yet we've saw her slag him off plenty beforehand) by Jack & Joel's stirring & exaggerations, like I said in the post you responded to.
He was pissed that he had been subjected to a 25 year old girl calling him a nobody & a loser when he didn't think he had done anything to deserve it.

george.millman

06-06-2015

I will say that I think that Simon has been treated very unkindly by most of the House (bar Nick and probably a couple of others). It is not fair for about six people to all shout at someone at once, no matter what they have done. I have been bullied and I recognise that there are times when it is impossible for someone to win. So in that sense, I do feel sorry for Simon.

Having said that, I don't feel that sorry for him, because he does himself no favours at all. He handles things thoroughly wrong, he appears to be a complete hypocrite, he talks about consideration whilst having absolutely no consideration for anyone else's feelings and it appears to me that he wants to have his cake and eat it. So if I was in the House, I wouldn't gang up on him with the others because I don't think that's fair, but I wouldn't take great steps to be his friend, as I think he seems like a nasty piece of work.

Big_Fan

06-06-2015

Originally Posted by Vicky8675309:
“the housemates are just reacting to his behavior and if he altered his fake behavior then they would react better. I would hope that by his age (longer time to learn information) he would have heard of operant conditioning and classical conditioning (behavioralism). It not they are picking on him for no reason or for trivial reasons. And their picking on him is NOT bullying…watch the systematic isolation of Perez from the last CBB and that Katie H's verbal attacks--vicious…now that was bullying. Also Half-Wit (Freddie) in an older BB was bullied (painful to watch). IMO, Simon isn't bullied and all his crying seems fake to generate public sympathy. If he is truly upset then I feel bad for him and I hope he learns to alter his behavior (it's not like he is being "real")”

I think you mean Behaviorism....

Are you suggesting he stops giving his opinions all together despite being asked for his opinion just in order to fit in? Like in the diary room when they asked him and Mark specifically for their opinions then apparently because they all seem to want him to behave a certain way his answer is not okay?

Why should he be the only one not allowed to say he doesn't like someone? a few weeks ago Jack a Joel had absolutely no problem telling anyone who would listen that they didn't like Jade, hows is this any different?

Angie_Plasty

06-06-2015

Originally Posted by Veri:
“He could "win" by not being two-faced or nasty.”

I didn't mean he literally couldn't win. If he made better choices he'd clearly get better outcomes.

Originally Posted by george.millman:
“I will say that I think that Simon has been treated very unkindly by most of the House (bar Nick and probably a couple of others). It is not fair for about six people to all shout at someone at once, no matter what they have done. I have been bullied and I recognise that there are times when it is impossible for someone to win. So in that sense, I do feel sorry for Simon.

Having said that, I don't feel that sorry for him, because he does himself no favours at all. He handles things thoroughly wrong, he appears to be a complete hypocrite, he talks about consideration whilst having absolutely no consideration for anyone else's feelings and it appears to me that he wants to have his cake and eat it. So if I was in the House, I wouldn't gang up on him with the others because I don't think that's fair, but I wouldn't take great steps to be his friend, as I think he seems like a nasty piece of work.”

Absolutely. He's inept and unpleasant but that doesn't justify some of them behaving as bad or worse than him.

Scarlet O'Hara

06-06-2015

Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Hi Veri What's dishonest or insulting about saying that someone in their 50s has had half their life? It's - optimistically - the truth. I know it's disingenuous given that he's at least the same age himself, but it's still the truth and it's not nasty or an insult. Simply truth.

I think on the part of Chloe, Jack, Joel and to a lesser extent Jade and Danny, it is a bit of a witch hunt and I think it's coming from their inability to tackle the true irritant that is Marc. They can't deal with him; so they bottle all of their discombobulation, aim and fire at Simon because, let's be fair, he's far more one-dimensional than Marc and transparently irritating. He's a far more quantifiable target; so they've targeted him because, after the four person eviction, they felt they had to target someone.

I think it's all resolvable, to be fair; apart from Jack and Joel. I think those two are fundamentally negative, competitive and bent on conflict. They were the two who targeted Jade most insidiously and they're doing the same with Simon.

I think Simon's a horror, by the way; but I admire the production for the way his very being has exposed the others.”

This is a really interesting theory, patsy. That Marc has them agitated but they can't take him on so Simon is the fall guy.

I just said in another thread that I think for some of them, it's all the newbies (but agree with you that Marc is the agitant in chief). On live feed last night, Sam was in the firing line from Jack and Joel. Finally they've got their reason to go at her too. There's probably some comfort for the originals in being able to close ranks against an 'Other' when so many of them have been culled and their house has been disrupted. Harry has shrewdly got in there via Nick and Jade is now back in the fold after her exile so that rules them out. Marc as you say must be honoured like the king of the jungle lest he rip them a new one. But its THEIR jungle and they need someone to focus their ire on.

It was interesting to see Danny and Cristian break rank with the others and basically tell them to mind their own business.

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