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Old 19-06-2015, 07:09
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Clyne is as good as gone. Southampton have signed a new RB.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...alling-5908752



This is what I was saying yesterday. Either sterling stays or we get the asking price which is hefty. Either option isn't too bad for the club.

The only thing I think the owners should do is tell city that if they are gonna pay £50 mil it needs to be done within 7 days or no deal at all.
Well good luck to you if its "no deal" because you'll be going into the new season with so many issues the actual fixture list will be the least of them!!
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Old 19-06-2015, 08:49
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...ld-out-9486048

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Old 19-06-2015, 11:53
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Very interesting. Had completely over-looked that if we keep Sterling to the end of his contract we still get a fee as he would be under 24. Makes it more likely we'd be able to off-load him for a decent amount at any time over the 2 years. Faced with the prospect of 2 more years on a mere £35k pw he's then possibly going to come round to our original offer for an extension as long as he got the assurance that we'd let him go after 2 years anyway if he still wanted to. We get the security of the longer contract, he gets more money and everyone's happy!
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Old 19-06-2015, 12:58
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Very interesting. Had completely over-looked that if we keep Sterling to the end of his contract we still get a fee as he would be under 24. Makes it more likely we'd be able to off-load him for a decent amount at any time over the 2 years. Faced with the prospect of 2 more years on a mere £35k pw he's then possibly going to come round to our original offer for an extension as long as he got the assurance that we'd let him go after 2 years anyway if he still wanted to. We get the security of the longer contract, he gets more money and everyone's happy!
Are people just forgetting that his agent has already said he could be offered ridiculous amounts of money by the club but he will not sign a contract? A player that makes no difference when it really matters - the hype surrounding him is absurd. If he is so good then where has he been to rescue us when it mattered? Ok, so the club get to keep a real (possible) future talent on £35k a week when he clearly no longer wants to be at the club and has an agent that seems to hate us... or we can focus on the real deal and cash in and make a vastly overpriced fee while the interest is there.

This notion that Sterling is suddenly going to want to sign a contract extension and come around to our way of thinking is crazy. He doesn't want to be here and wants to move on!! I would rather take real cold hard cash now instead of forcing a very unhappy, unpredictable kid to stay against his will and take a consolation fee at the end of it. Just get to grips with the fact he doesn't want to be here and let him go and think of the club and the cash we can spend on players that do want to be here.
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Old 19-06-2015, 13:50
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Clyne is as good as gone. Southampton have signed a new RB.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...alling-5908752



This is what I was saying yesterday. Either sterling stays or we get the asking price which is hefty. Either option isn't too bad for the club.

The only thing I think the owners should do is tell city that if they are gonna pay £50 mil it needs to be done within 7 days or no deal at all.
mirror reporting the owners wont budge on anything less then £50m

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...alling-5908752
fancy you 2 being up posting together in the early hours

Keeping an unhappy Sterling isn't a good option really.

Whilst holding out for 50M is great if we end up getting it, it'll be disappointing if City walk away cos we aint getting near 40M from anyone else I suspect.
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Old 19-06-2015, 13:59
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This notion that Sterling is suddenly going to want to sign a contract extension and come around to our way of thinking is crazy. He doesn't want to be here and wants to move on!! I would rather take real cold hard cash now instead of forcing a very unhappy, unpredictable kid to stay against his will and take a consolation fee at the end of it. Just get to grips with the fact he doesn't want to be here and let him go and think of the club and the cash we can spend on players that do want to be here.
He needs to make this an indisputable fact then by making an official transfer request. If he does, then the club will have a little bit of a problem. It's not good PR to be seen keeping a young player against his will and not a good platform on which to encourage other young players to sign for the club.

I would've sold at £40m cash up front as he's over valued at that amount. Though I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised at the money-balling FSG not grabbing that cash when it's in front of them. I can't quite make up my mind whether they just want City to back-off and look somewhere else, or if they really think they can hold out for an unbelievable £50m?
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Old 19-06-2015, 14:33
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He needs to make this an indisputable fact then by making an official transfer request. If he does, then the club will have a little bit of a problem. It's not good PR to be seen keeping a young player against his will and not a good platform on which to encourage other young players to sign for the club.

I would've sold at £40m cash up front as he's over valued at that amount. Though I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised at the money-balling FSG not grabbing that cash when it's in front of them. I can't quite make up my mind whether they just want City to back-off and look somewhere else, or if they really think they can hold out for an unbelievable £50m?
I think its simply down to the club not concerned if Man City walk away. The budget for spending has already been set regardless of what happens with Sterling and the worst that can happen is one of the clubs best players remains for another season at least.

I think the owners have handled it fantastically well.
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Old 19-06-2015, 18:11
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I think its simply down to the club not concerned if Man City walk away. The budget for spending has already been set regardless of what happens with Sterling and the worst that can happen is one of the clubs best players remains for another season at least.

I think the owners have handled it fantastically well.
Well I'll wait and see what the situation is when it's all settled before I give them a "fantastically well" pat on the back, but it's certainly heartening to see them not taking a wad of cash just because it's there. I'd say the worst that can happen is that he leaves somewhere near the end of the window and we have a load of money but with nobody of the right quality and availability to use it on.

At the risk of taking the rumours too seriously, we may be about to spend £15m on Clyne and £18m on Kovacic ( =£33m outlay) ; both seem very good players. However, with Coutinho, Lallana, Milner, Hendo (and especially if Sterling stays) we seem well covered for attack minded midfielders.
I have to say I'd prefer something like £4m for Trippier at RB and £25-30m for either Carvalho or Schneiderlin to give some more robustness to our midfield directly in front of the CB's. It seems Tottenham have signed Trippier and could be well in the bidding for Schneiderlin.

Of course, I'm the guy who thought Lovren would be a great signing, so good luck Spurs!
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Old 19-06-2015, 18:53
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Are people just forgetting that his agent has already said he could be offered ridiculous amounts of money by the club but he will not sign a contract? A player that makes no difference when it really matters - the hype surrounding him is absurd. If he is so good then where has he been to rescue us when it mattered? Ok, so the club get to keep a real (possible) future talent on £35k a week when he clearly no longer wants to be at the club and has an agent that seems to hate us... or we can focus on the real deal and cash in and make a vastly overpriced fee while the interest is there.

This notion that Sterling is suddenly going to want to sign a contract extension and come around to our way of thinking is crazy. He doesn't want to be here and wants to move on!! I would rather take real cold hard cash now instead of forcing a very unhappy, unpredictable kid to stay against his will and take a consolation fee at the end of it. Just get to grips with the fact he doesn't want to be here and let him go and think of the club and the cash we can spend on players that do want to be here.
All very good points I think.

There is going to come a price that City just won't pay and Liverpool have to find the sweet spot to get maximum return without making City walk away.

In my eyes the issue is that there is a mismatch between what Liverpool think he is worth and the contract they offered him. A £50m player will be on more an a £100k a week contract so while Liverpool can say he is £50m they didn't value him anywhere near that when deciding what to offer him to get him to stay.
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Old 19-06-2015, 22:47
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...oberto-Firmino

The Anfield club – which is set to promote U16s coach, Pepijn Lijnders, to Brendan Rodgers’ backroom staff – is keen on Hoffenheim’s attacking midfielder who has also been tracked by Manchester United.

Their interest is not dependent on the departure of Sterling, who has been the subject of two rejected bids from Manchester City. The latest was worth a guaranteed fee of £35m.

Liverpool have also checked on Real Madrid winger Denis Cheryshev, who spent last season on loan at Villarreal, although it is hard to see both Firmino and Cheryshev signing unless someone left.


Firmino, 23, is at the Copa America in Chile with Brazil, who face Venezuela tomorrow. While he occupies a similar position to the likes of Philippe Coutinho and Adam Lallana, he can drift to the flanks.

Liverpool will decide whether to progress with their interest next week. The player is represented by Roger Wittmann, head of the ROGON sports management group, and could cost as much as 30m euros.
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Old 20-06-2015, 12:04
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Sky Sports News breaking that Joe Gomez has signed from Charlton for £3.5m. Another defender for the future and another to be loaned out with the likes of McLaughlin, Wisdom and Ilori.
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Old 20-06-2015, 12:56
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thought it was supposed to be 7m? seems a bit less of a risk only paying 3.5m for a youngster. Little less pressure on the lad.

welcome to Liverpool Joe
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Old 20-06-2015, 13:27
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I've read it's £3.5m with the potential to rise up to £7m.
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Old 20-06-2015, 13:42
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Charlton season ticket holder here. Gomez isn't your regular kid, he's a class above.

He made his first appearance against the much fancied Derby County earlier last season (we won 3-2) and Gomez looked like he had been playing for years. So calm on the ball and not a hoof-it-clear type player. McClaren had to take off his winger Simon Dawkins at half time because Gomez completely shut him out of the game. From then on he's made 21 appearances and not made a single mistake - not even the odd 'inexperience' error.

Everyone at Charlton knew he was just passing through and would make it on to bigger things. The figure is more like £6-7m but that's pocketmoney for Liverpool and Joe is more than worth it.

I'll be looking out for him!
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Old 20-06-2015, 13:52
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Charlton season ticket holder here. Gomez isn't your regular kid, he's a class above.

He made his first appearance against the much fancied Derby County earlier last season (we won 3-2) and Gomez looked like he had been playing for years. So calm on the ball and not a hoof-it-clear type player. McClaren had to take off his winger Simon Dawkins at half time because Gomez completely shut him out of the game. From then on he's made 21 appearances and not made a single mistake - not even the odd 'inexperience' error.

Everyone at Charlton knew he was just passing through and would make it on to bigger things. The figure is more like £6-7m but that's pocketmoney for Liverpool and Joe is more than worth it.

I'll be looking out for him!
It wouldn't be the biggest surprise if he gets loaned back to you for a season; it might be the best thing for the lad to get more first team football in a familiar environment.

If he's a good passer of the ball, then that's exactly the type of player Rodgers always looks for in every position. Did he play more RB or CB for Charlton?
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Old 20-06-2015, 13:55
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It wouldn't be the biggest surprise if he gets loaned back to you for a season; it might be the best thing for the lad to get more first team football in a familiar environment.

If he's a good passer of the ball, then that's exactly the type of player Rodgers always looks for in every position. Did he play more RB or CB for Charlton?
He's rumoured to be going on loan to Derby.

Gomez is a done deal.
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Old 20-06-2015, 14:08
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He's rumoured to be going on loan to Derby.

Gomez is a done deal.
We seem to like loaning players to Derby. We must have been given a load of free train tickets or something.
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Old 20-06-2015, 14:36
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He won't go to Derby.

He played mostly at RB for Charlton but did make some appearances at CB. Was comfortable in both. I suspect he could also do a midfield job if necessary.

He is a CB by trade though.
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Old 20-06-2015, 20:18
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...los-Bacca.html

Liverpool go cool on Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke as focus switches to Fernando Llorente and Carlos Bacca
Hopefully true. Benteke is all wrong for us.
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Old 20-06-2015, 21:19
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Llorente isn't exactly fitting either. Bacca would be a short term fix, a player already in his prime. He is going to turn 29 later this year though, and he does rely a little bit on pace, so I wouldn't expect to get any more than 2 years out of him if we did somehow bag him.
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Old 20-06-2015, 21:37
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Charlton season ticket holder here. Gomez isn't your regular kid, he's a class above.

He made his first appearance against the much fancied Derby County earlier last season (we won 3-2) and Gomez looked like he had been playing for years. So calm on the ball and not a hoof-it-clear type player. McClaren had to take off his winger Simon Dawkins at half time because Gomez completely shut him out of the game. From then on he's made 21 appearances and not made a single mistake - not even the odd 'inexperience' error.

Everyone at Charlton knew he was just passing through and would make it on to bigger things. The figure is more like £6-7m but that's pocketmoney for Liverpool and Joe is more than worth it.

I'll be looking out for him!
Cheers for the info on him, have to say knew nothing about him, including whether he was a RB,LB or CB
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Old 21-06-2015, 13:48
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This might just be a story to get Villa to drop their asking price. But if we won't drop our price for Sterling, why should they drop their price for Benteke?

I liked Llorente when he was in Spain with Bilboa. I remember posting here at that time he'd be good to come play with Suarez. Although he still could be a good foil for Sturridge and, especially, Coutinho, I think he might be past his best now. When I used to watch him before he looked a player who liked crosses, so if there's any truth to our interest in him (and indeed with Benteke) then BR may be contemplating a slight change in playing style?

I don't know much about Bacca but he seems to have taken his fair share of goals for Sevilla. I suppose I'd maybe put him in the same bracket as someone like Soriano: a bit of a risk and could they keep scoring with a top team in a tougher league?
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Old 21-06-2015, 13:51
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He won't go to Derby.

He played mostly at RB for Charlton but did make some appearances at CB. Was comfortable in both. I suspect he could also do a midfield job if necessary.

He is a CB by trade though.
Thanks for the info. He sounds like a cross between Andre Wisdom and Emre Can. Hopefully he can keep those two on their toes.
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Old 21-06-2015, 21:32
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Liverpool are to promote highly-rated Dutch coach Pepijn Lijnders from the academy to become the clubs new first team coach.

Our first team is dominated by young players, so it could work out.
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Old 22-06-2015, 09:57
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Liverpool are strongly pushing to get Asier Illarramendi.

The Anfield club made an initial offer of €15 million for the Spanish central midfielder that was flatly refused by Real Madrid. However, the Reds board have decided to up their bid by almost half.

The Whites now have an offer of €22 million on the table for Illarra. The club are happy with the figure being proposed by Liverpool, which is close to the €25 million bid by Athletic in last winter's transfer window, and are ready to sell Illarra for that amount. The thinking at Real Madrid is that the sale would cover a decent part of what they paid for the player, who arrived at the 'Merengues' in the summer of 2013 for close to €35 million.

Either way the decision is in the hands of Rafa Benítez. If the manager gives the deal the all-clear, Illarramendi will become a Liverpool player. If not, the ex-Napoli boss will state the player is not up for sale and Illarra will stay at Real Madrid for another season.
Read more: Real Madrid: Liverpool pushing hard for Illarra - MARCA.com (English version
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