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I think long term a decision will need to be made on whether its coutinho or Lallana.
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Can't really be too disappointed tbh, as hes been brought in while the seasons underway, so hasn't really had much time to do anything, its straight in, into games, plus we've got a fair few injuries, Sturridge is out yet again, Bent necks not fully fit, neither is Firmino, Hendersons out, the list just goes on.
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Can't really be too disappointed tbh, as hes been brought in while the seasons underway, so hasn't really had much time to do anything, its straight in, into games, plus we've got a fair few injuries, Sturridge is out yet again, Bent necks not fully fit, neither is Firmino, Hendersons out, the list just goes on.
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Why do you type Bent neck? Do you think its funny like the muppets that type Micro$oft or $ky?
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Often I have said in the past that LFC fans were the most knowledgeable there was but not any more as the amount of nonsense I have read recently off them on here and elsewhere is depressing and tonight it has just gone off the scale. I only hope Klopp realises that we are not all like them.
The above is almost all I want to say but I will comment briefly over some issues raised here in recent times. Sterrling, Ibe ...etc - selling RS had to be right, he wanted to go and we got good money and his form for the last 4 months of his LFC career was shocking. His attitude too was a bad influence on the squad. At MCFC he has improved altho I am still far from convinced he is as good as he thinks he is but he is the past and we need to forget him. Why some of us were saying Ibe was better was cos his attitude 100% is and for the last 4 months of last season he played better too. He was not outstanding but he showed promise and was better than Sterling. This season sadly he seems to have gone backwards but under Klopp I hope to see him get back to form, he is only 20 after all. At present Can is being given a key midfield role by JK which I have no real problem with as it is the position where I think his long term career will be but he is just 21 years old so I feel it is asking a lot of him so we have to be patient as he grows into the role. He has shown enough promise for us to know he will get there in the end. That is the knock on effect of the transfer policy - that we have to give people roles beyond their experience as we have no experienced leaders. Milner is an experienced player but he bothers me as altho he works hard he makes many errors. Hendo I think will come into midfield and will play alongside Can I hope when he is fit. Lucas will mop up behind them (I felt he was very good today) and then there will be 2 creative players behind the one striker (two of Lallana, Cout or Firm behind Ben or Studge) or maybe a number 10 (one of the 3 I listed) behind the 2 up front. That is the way I see it going - which does not have Milner in the team but that does not bother me!! - altho he is such a professional and prob popular with the management that maybe they would be reluctant to leave him out. |
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No real complaints today,even though the Southampton equaliser made me exasperated.
Against Spurs,I felt we fell away after the first half an hour,the Ruben game had a lot of expectation,they didnt turn into goals,but today, I felt that we dominated the majority of a game for the first time under Jurgen Believe,don't doubt
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#2907 |
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Not a write off as such, A learning curve and then during the transfer windows add players who will adapt or know the manager's style of play well. But at the same time I hope we do not try to make the mistake of the last few summers and add too many eggs to the pudding at once.
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It was a poor performance whichever way you look at it. Klopp will get there but he has a lot of work to do. Defensively I think we have been OK for a while now. The sheer amount of draws proves that we are hard to beat. It's the midfield and attack I worry about. Slooooooooow! And the passing is atrocious.
We can't just keep saying. Oh but such and such is injured. Before we know it we will be challenging for nothing. As for the Sterling/Ibe debate. Sterling is and has always been better. No contest. Ibe has never looked the part for me. |
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It was a cracking goal from Benteke, a proper old fashioned centre forwards goal. I said early in the season the best way to get the maximum from Benteke was quality crosses where he can face goal and attack the ball ( as opposed to the constant direct balls from deep where he has his back to goal and is just playing knock-downs and flick-ons ) .
So how do you get those types of crosses into him? Play 3-5-2 and hope Clyne and Moreno learn to deliver the right types of ball or invest in a proper winger? Or if he sticks with 4231 would he prefer Sturridge as the lone striker and continue with 'pass and move' as our main line of attacks? It's really hard to know what to make of us at the moment. I think it's going to be a long frustrating season as we try to sort things out. I'm not even sure the January window will be a proper indication of the transition that we might be on. I don't think yesterday was the greatest day for the centre backs and Mingolet either. Southampton caused us no end of problems with set-pieces and ball into the box. It wouldn't a surprise if one of Klopps big early signings was a CB he knows and trusts or one he really admires. Oh and just a word about Moreno and that tackle..... sensational! |
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If we were being positive about this season we could say we're unbeaten in our last 9 games and have only lost 2 games all season, most of our games have been draws though and they need turning into wins, scoring goals is a massive problem and it's not just up to the strikers to stick the ball in the back of the net, we've had defenders in the past who have scored a few. I think the players are lacking in confidence, a win at Chelsea this weekend may help to change that.
I'm not calling for Klopp's head at this early stage, nor do I think we've made a mistake appointing him. I want him to succeed |
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It was a cracking goal from Benteke, a proper old fashioned centre forwards goal. I said early in the season the best way to get the maximum from Benteke was quality crosses where he can face goal and attack the ball ( as opposed to the constant direct balls from deep where he has his back to goal and is just playing knock-downs and flick-ons ) .
So how do you get those types of crosses into him? Play 3-5-2 and hope Clyne and Moreno learn to deliver the right types of ball or invest in a proper winger? Or if he sticks with 4231 would he prefer Sturridge as the lone striker and continue with 'pass and move' as our main line of attacks? It's really hard to know what to make of us at the moment. I think it's going to be a long frustrating season as we try to sort things out. I'm not even sure the January window will be a proper indication of the transition that we might be on. I don't think yesterday was the greatest day for the centre backs and Mingolet either. Southampton caused us no end of problems with set-pieces and ball into the box. It wouldn't a surprise if one of Klopps big early signings was a CB he knows and trusts or one he really admires. Oh and just a word about Moreno and that tackle..... sensational! Benteke's goal was outstanding!! |
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If we're gonna play a high tempo pressing game then our centre backs and goalkeeper need to be more assertive so to speak. Sakho is the only one I'd keep out of the 3 that played yesterday. We concede too many sloppy goals, especially from crosses in the box.
Benteke's goal was outstanding!! Brilliant saves from Mignolet. Perfect pass from Milner. Fantastic tackle from Moreno. & Incredible goal from Benteke. Now do it more - and more - and more. |
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Three games in and some people have already lost all sense of perspective. As Orch has outlined above, there are encouraging signs, but there's a saying about Rome not being built in a day that applies here..
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Bit sad that no one has actually praised the pass that helped make that goal for Benteke. Watching Milner make that pass, he gathered the ball, looked up to find Benteke, and it was an inch perfect pass to him. Considering a lot of our passing still leaves a lot to be desired, that was one pulled right out of the top shelf - more like that please!
Brilliant saves from Mignolet. Perfect pass from Milner. Fantastic tackle from Moreno. & Incredible goal from Benteke. Now do it more - and more - and more. |
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Three games in and some people have already lost all sense of perspective. As Orch has outlined above, there are encouraging signs, but there's a saying about Rome not being built in a day that applies here..
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Why do you type Bent neck? Do you think its funny like the muppets that type Micro$oft or $ky?
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It's the "now, now, now" culture these days - and that's not just restricted to football. People seem to forget the transfer window's closed, we've got key players out or just coming back, changes in systems take time to bed in and we're not exactly playing muppets. It'll take a little time to gel and Klopp's got a few gaps to fill I'm sure to get a tean that can play his system how he wants. We lack creativity because we lack fit creative players. We lack goals because we've only got a partially match fit proven striker and our creative force is not at the top of his game. I like the flashes of skill Firmino brings but he'll need more time too.
It's not as though there are no glimmers of hope. Happy with Sakho, the full backs, Can, Milner, Benteke, Firmino and Mignolet (he's far more solid and assertive now). Not sure Lucas as another workhorse fits in as well so can see him dropping out when Henderson's fit (who we really miss). Skrtel's commited but just too rash and not good enough in the air. Sturridge can't be relied on physically, sadly. I can see Henderson's drive and set pieces making a real difference so we may only need a centre half and a striker in January to kick-start the revolution. I disagree Benteke needs crosses - he's a cracking all-round player as some of his goals have shown. We just need better service from both out wide and centrally and he'll score a hatful. If we resort to too many crosses we'll be too easy to defend against. We got enough ball in wide areas yesterday - and at corners - but our delivery, again, was very poor for the most part. I'd like to see Firmino bedded-in and trusted in upcoming games as Coutinho needs help and another creative force to play off. We hardly look a shambles - just a bit blunt. |
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Klopp is an outstandingly good manager, and is your best appointment for some time, certainly in my lifetime I think, so you just need to give him and his coaching staff time.
With Chelsea out of Champions League contention for this season (no team in the history of the Premier League with their points total at this stage has ever finished in the top four), there is a place open in the top four, so with the right combination of injured players coming back, and astute signings, you guys could well take take place that Chelsea have vacated. There is the basis for a good sqaud there, and with some additions, (and I think Klopp can entice better players then many of your previous managers could) you could really challenge at the top levels of the league once again. |
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Sections of the media saying it's win or bust for Mourinho against us on Saturday.
As if we didn't need any more motivation for three points ![]() It's not like they could get Rafa out of his current job this time, as a means of finishing top four come May
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Sections of the media saying it's win or bust for Mourinho against us on Saturday.
As if we didn't need any more motivation for three points ![]() It's not like they could get Rafa out of his current job this time, as a means of finishing top four come May ![]() |
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Bit sad that no one has actually praised the pass that helped make that goal for Benteke. Watching Milner make that pass, he gathered the ball, looked up to find Benteke, and it was an inch perfect pass to him. Considering a lot of our passing still leaves a lot to be desired, that was one pulled right out of the top shelf - more like that please!
Brilliant saves from Mignolet. Perfect pass from Milner. Fantastic tackle from Moreno. & Incredible goal from Benteke. Now do it more - and more - and more. They mentioned in the RedmenTV about Milner being played in a wider position. We're lacking in wingers and he's spent much of his career on the wing. He was signed with the promise of playing more centrally, but a) he hasn't been that great centrally, and when Hendo's back that position's going to be difficult to break into, and b) that promise was made by Brendan Rodgers, not Klopp. Milner's a good professional though so it's not like he'd sulk about it. |
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We didn't look brilliant on Sunday but frankly it was the kind of game we were losing before so a draw isn't awful. It's going to take a few more games before the squad adapt to Klopp and he learns the potential of his players. The LC game is a good chance for him to play a few other players and for them to impress their new boss. I don't expect anything from Chelsea, I don't care what's happening to them. I'll start to make judgements after Xmas when Klopp's had a few weeks and a chance to address any shortcomings in the squad via the transfer market. The way this season is going we're likely to still be in touch with the top 4 come 2016 and with an easier run-in there will still be a chance. That's all I ask really.
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It's the "now, now, now" culture these days - and that's not just restricted to football. People seem to forget the transfer window's closed, we've got key players out or just coming back, changes in systems take time to bed in and we're not exactly playing muppets. It'll take a little time to gel and Klopp's got a few gaps to fill I'm sure to get a tean that can play his system how he wants. We lack creativity because we lack fit creative players. We lack goals because we've only got a partially match fit proven striker and our creative force is not at the top of his game. I like the flashes of skill Firmino brings but he'll need more time too.
It's not as though there are no glimmers of hope. Happy with Sakho, the full backs, Can, Milner, Benteke, Firmino and Mignolet (he's far more solid and assertive now). Not sure Lucas as another workhorse fits in as well so can see him dropping out when Henderson's fit (who we really miss). Skrtel's commited but just too rash and not good enough in the air. Sturridge can't be relied on physically, sadly. I can see Henderson's drive and set pieces making a real difference so we may only need a centre half and a striker in January to kick-start the revolution. I disagree Benteke needs crosses - he's a cracking all-round player as some of his goals have shown. We just need better service from both out wide and centrally and he'll score a hatful. If we resort to too many crosses we'll be too easy to defend against. We got enough ball in wide areas yesterday - and at corners - but our delivery, again, was very poor for the most part. I'd like to see Firmino bedded-in and trusted in upcoming games as Coutinho needs help and another creative force to play off. We hardly look a shambles - just a bit blunt. Quote:
Klopp is an outstandingly good manager, and is your best appointment for some time, certainly in my lifetime I think, so you just need to give him and his coaching staff time.
With Chelsea out of Champions League contention for this season (no team in the history of the Premier League with their points total at this stage has ever finished in the top four), there is a place open in the top four, so with the right combination of injured players coming back, and astute signings, you guys could well take take place that Chelsea have vacated. There is the basis for a good sqaud there, and with some additions, (and I think Klopp can entice better players then many of your previous managers could) you could really challenge at the top levels of the league once again. - Torres, Mascherano, Alonso etc ... I'll be happy if Klopp can attract 2015 versions of them.
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I would place Klopp ahead of where Rafa was when he first joined you guys, so you could get players of high profile, and certainly much more than Rogers could get you.
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Sky Sports news reporting Anfield has been evacuated.After two members of a tour party around the stadium went missing earlier this afternoon.
If it's two people messing about then it's just silly,can't discount planned terrorism though which is a scary thought. Hope they turn up somewhere. |
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