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Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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rhynoGB
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Sky Sports news reporting Anfield has been evacuated.After two members of a tour party around the stadium went missing earlier this afternoon.

If it's two people messing about then it's just silly,can't discount planned terrorism though which is a scary thought. Hope they turn up somewhere.”

That's a terrible thought. Pretty much every stadium in the Premiership & lower down do some sort of tour. Security should be paramount in these dangerous times we live in.
TheSloth
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by LONERIDER37:
“Lucas has been one of the best players since Klopp came in, along with Sakho. Shouldn't be dropping out of anywhere while he plays to this level.”

So, when Henderson returns, who would you drop then? I'd say we need Henderson's passing and set pieces, Van's energy and drive and Milner's all-round quality. For all his qualities, Lucas never looks a goal threat, lacks creativity and tends to give away too many freekicks. Great squad/bench option, but I can see him missing out. Just my opinion, of course - if he carrots on playing well, though, he may give Klopp a decision to make. I guess Can is the one who nerds to start producing more in terms of end product. We can't continue to flood our midfield with hard-working players who don't contribute regularly in teens of goals and creativity - Coutinho has proved he cannot carry that burden on his own.
TheSloth
27-10-2015
Two guys go missing at Anfield - cue the avalanche of obvious social media quips...
Central cake
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Two guys go missing at Anfield - cue the avalanche of obvious social media quips...”

It's Rodgers?
TheSloth
27-10-2015
Pretty much a full strength Chelsea - didn't expect that. Another message for Abramovich?
LONERIDER37
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“So, when Henderson returns, who would you drop then? I'd say we need Henderson's passing and set pieces, Van's energy and drive and Milner's all-round quality. For all his qualities, Lucas never looks a goal threat, lacks creativity and tends to give away too many freekicks. Great squad/bench option, but I can see him missing out. Just my opinion, of course - if he carrots on playing well, though, he may give Klopp a decision to make. I guess Can is the one who nerds to start producing more in terms of end product. We can't continue to flood our midfield with hard-working players who don't contribute regularly in teens of goals and creativity - Coutinho has proved he cannot carry that burden on his own.”

There is plenty above I personally would take issue with. Milners all round quality for one, only seen glimpses of that since he joined, as I said in my post Lucas has been better since Klopps arrival. Lucas is not on the pitch to be a goal threat, that is such a short sighted comment. His stats show he tackles lots, often clean but yes because of the amount of tackles makes a fair few fouls, although I'd point out it was Milners needless foul after the ball had went that led to Southamptons equaliser! 2 of Lucas's yellows of late were both perfectly timed tackles as replays showed, the ref got them wrong!

Since Klopps arrival I can only think of about 2 stray passes Lucas has done the rest all accurate. Wasn't that far off a goal in last seconds v RK also. He is doing his job perfectly at the minute. Players who do so should not be sacrificed because they do not score goals. We have plenty on the pitch whose job it is to do that. I could name a few players who have under performed of late, Lucas definitely not on that list.

Lucas appears to have been fighting for his place since joining the club, happily he has clearly showed enough to Rafa, Roy,Kenny,Brendan & now Klopp to have played as many games for us as he has.
Pre awful injury in the game v Chelsea he was our player of the season and had continued that form prior to his injury. Last season when Brendan needed him he came in and more than did his job. For me Lucas should not be left out because we need goals, if we can't get them we need to be taking a closer look at Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Benteke, Sturridge, Origi etc not our DM.
TheSloth
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by LONERIDER37:
“There is plenty above I personally would take issue with. Milners all round quality for one, only seen glimpses of that since he joined, as I said in my post Lucas has been better since Klopps arrival. Lucas is not on the pitch to be a goal threat, that is such a short sighted comment. His stats show he tackles lots, often clean but yes because of the amount of tackles makes a fair few fouls, although I'd point out it was Milners needless foul after the ball had went that led to Southamptons equaliser! 2 of Lucas's yellows of late were both perfectly timed tackles as replays showed, the ref got them wrong!

Since Klopps arrival I can only think of about 2 stray passes Lucas has done the rest all accurate. Wasn't that far off a goal in last seconds v RK also. He is doing his job perfectly at the minute. Players who do so should not be sacrificed because they do not score goals. We have plenty on the pitch whose job it is to do that. I could name a few players who have under performed of late, Lucas definitely not on that list.

Lucas appears to have been fighting for his place since joining the club, happily he has clearly showed enough to Rafa, Roy,Kenny,Brendan & now Klopp to have played as many games for us as he has.
Pre awful injury in the game v Chelsea he was our player of the season and had continued that form prior to his injury. Last season when Brendan needed him he came in and more than did his job. For me Lucas should not be left out because we need goals, if we can't get them we need to be taking a closer look at Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Benteke, Sturridge, Origi etc not our DM.”

Again, no-one is questioning Lucas' qualities in the DM role. My point is, assuming Henderson cones back in, who drops out? We've got to play AT LEAST 3 of the creative players you've listed or well be very light on threat. It's got to therefore be Can (unlikely) or Milner. As Milner offers more going forward and he, Hendetson and Can all have the energy and work ethic to track back and press, Lucas may miss out, at least in some games. It will be genuinely intriguing to see how Klopp fits Henderson in once fit. So, basically, you'll drop Milner?
LONERIDER37
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Again, no-one is questioning Lucas' qualities in the DM role. My point is, assuming Henderson cones back in, who drops out? We've got to play AT LEAST 3 of the creative players you've listed or well be very light on threat. It's got to therefore be Can (unlikely) or Milner. As Milner offers more going forward and he, Hendetson and Can all have the energy and work ethic to track back and press, Lucas may miss out, at least in some games. It will be genuinely intriguing to see how Klopp fits Henderson in once fit. So, basically, you'll drop Milner?”

It depends on our formation of course. Different formations may be necessary if the form of Coutinho continues and if our striker injury woes continue, hearing Benteke could be out at the weekend now with a knee injury, so if Sturridge is still not available (probable) not sure it's even worth us playing origi up front by himself, hasn't worked against lesser teams than Chelsea.

But yes if we continue to play as we have been I'd keep Lucas in ahead of Milner. Form is everything - I'd go with that, whoever is showing less whether it be Can, Hendo, Lucas or Milner. We dont yet know how quickly Hendo will get up to speed etc so he may not instantly offer the solutions.

I just know going off recent games Lucas has barely put a foot wrong, and has been better than the other players you mention, and therefore deserves his place.

Obviously if that ceases to be the case I'd expect a change but I think it would be wrong to do it on present form.
TheMunch
27-10-2015
Looks like Benteke is out with a knee injury. Misses the game on Wednesday and will be a doubt against Chelsea. According to this, that makes Jerome Sinclair our second-choice striker. I expect we'll be seeing him feature on Wednesday. Klopp might also try Firmino there since he can play as a striker.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10...h-knee-injury/
misawa97
27-10-2015
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Looks like Benteke is out with a knee injury. Misses the game on Wednesday and will be a doubt against Chelsea. According to this, that makes Jerome Sinclair our second-choice striker. I expect we'll be seeing him feature on Wednesday. Klopp might also try Firmino there since he can play as a striker.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10...h-knee-injury/”

This injury situation with the strikers is ridiculous. We just can't get our strikers on the pitch.
kobashi100
27-10-2015
We just can't catch a break with our strikers.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better unfortunately.
Richard_Cranium
28-10-2015
Benny T was injury prone when we bought him.
Klopp will turn us into a machine
clarky323
28-10-2015
Knee injury? What's up with our striker's knees? Sturridge and Benteke both with a knee injury at the same time.

Origi better start performing.
Orchideam
28-10-2015
No Milner either as he's out for a ban with 5 cards, would have been a good match to have him take his miss, but not with the injuries we have.

Be very interested to see how Klopp forms the team for tonight, with Chelsea & Arsenal already out, it could be a much needed win for us.
Picto
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“We just can't catch a break with our strikers.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better unfortunately.”

It's ridiculous isn't it.

I suggest we buy Robert Lewandowski and Thomas Müller. They are hardly ever injured.
misawa97
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by Picto:
“It's ridiculous isn't it.

I suggest we buy Robert Lewandowski and Thomas Müller. They are hardly ever injured.”

Well sometimes I think mentality comes into it as well.

Nobody can tell me Suarez is never injured but he wants to play all the time. He would get kicked non stop. Some players need to be 100% fit to play while some need to be 100% injured not to play.
Dandem
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Be very interested to see how Klopp forms the team for tonight, with Chelsea & Arsenal already out, it could be a much needed win for us.”

Opportunity here for us to win some silverware with 2 of the big dogs already out. If Palace and Middlesbrough could dig out a win tonight, that'd also be super.
Grouty
28-10-2015
Its an injury crisis!
TheSloth
28-10-2015
Well, I'd go 4-2-3-1 then and get Firmino on the pitch with Coutinho (assuming Klopp won't rest Coutinho). Lallana could be the other one of the three with Origi or Sinclair up front. Can and Lucas in centre mid unless we have a youngster to plug in there. I'd rather start with a strong side and get the job done by an hour rather than bring on better players later chasing the game or risking extra time. With Bournemouth's form and injory woes, we need to be positive tonight because we're at home, despite suffering from the same issues!
taurus_67
28-10-2015
It's not often I say this about any cup game, but I really don't care that much about tonight's result, though a nice performance would be good for team confidence and fan morale.

It's the weekend I'm far more concerned about right now. We really need a decent team on the pitch against Chelsea; more specifically a striker that's going to give us something to worry them with.
Malbren
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Well sometimes I think mentality comes into it as well.

Nobody can tell me Suarez is never injured but he wants to play all the time. He would get kicked non stop. Some players need to be 100% fit to play while some need to be 100% injured not to play.”

Totally agree. It's been mentioned here before players who would turn out with injuries. Sturridge is most definitely not one of them....wondering on Benteke now too.

If both are out at the weekend I despair with the pair of them. Sturridge had a knock on the knee after a clash with Ibe. Ibe been fine, Sturridge soon to approach his 3rd week out!

Hearing a few youngsters will start tonight so maybe not sending out a team to win it early.
GordonGordon
28-10-2015
Give Joe Allen a sustained run in the team and performances will improve. I am not a Liverpool fan but iv'e watched him put in some outstanding performances for Wales over the past year and it makes my blood boil when Liverpool fans slate him, he hasn't been mentioned in the few pages of this thread iv'e read.

Against Israel this year and Netherlands last year, both away form home, he was imperious. He's got a great knack of connecting defence and midfield seamlessly, if Klopp put his confidence in him with a start in consecutive PL games he will be rewarded.
Orchideam
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by Malbren:
“Totally agree. It's been mentioned here before players who would turn out with injuries. Sturridge is most definitely not one of them....wondering on Benteke now too.

If both are out at the weekend I despair with the pair of them. Sturridge had a knock on the knee after a clash with Ibe. Ibe been fine, Sturridge soon to approach his 3rd week out!

Hearing a few youngsters will start tonight so maybe not sending out a team to win it early.”

Reminds me of comments I heard on LFCTV after one of our matches - our players are too nice and too soft, we need some blood and thunder players, more Smashy than Nicey. Suarez was kicked all over the park, stamped on and splattered with blood, but I don't recall him ever not playing due to injury, he just got on with it.

I was hoping Benteke was going to be of that calibre, tough as the old boots players used to wear, but no, seems he's another lightweight. Why on earth did we ever let THIS guy leave, he was one of the very best for us, and is still rocking it.
Orchideam
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by GordonGordon:
“Give Joe Allen a sustained run in the team and performances will improve. I am not a Liverpool fan but iv'e watched him put in some outstanding performances for Wales over the past year and it makes my blood boil when Liverpool fans slate him, he hasn't been mentioned in the few pages of this thread iv'e read.

Against Israel this year and Netherlands last year, both away form home, he was imperious. He's got a great knack of connecting defence and midfield seamlessly, if Klopp put his confidence in him with a start in consecutive PL games he will be rewarded.”

I agree with you, wholeheartedly!
LONERIDER37
28-10-2015
Originally Posted by GordonGordon:
“Give Joe Allen a sustained run in the team and performances will improve. I am not a Liverpool fan but iv'e watched him put in some outstanding performances for Wales over the past year and it makes my blood boil when Liverpool fans slate him, he hasn't been mentioned in the few pages of this thread iv'e read.

Against Israel this year and Netherlands last year, both away form home, he was imperious. He's got a great knack of connecting defence and midfield seamlessly, if Klopp put his confidence in him with a start in consecutive PL games he will be rewarded.”

Whilst he hasn't had the run of games you talk about he did start v Ruban Kazan and was subbed at half time. He said after it was because he was on a yellow card and they had ten men. But he was replaced by Lucas - so I don't see the 10 man thing standing up. Allen was very poor in that 1st half, Lucas was excellent in the 2nd.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Reminds me of comments I heard on LFCTV after one of our matches - our players are too nice and too soft, we need some blood and thunder players, more Smashy than Nicey. Suarez was kicked all over the park, stamped on and splattered with blood, but I don't recall him ever not playing due to injury, he just got on with it.

I was hoping Benteke was going to be of that calibre, tough as the old boots players used to wear, but no, seems he's another lightweight. Why on earth did we ever let THIS guy leave, he was one of the very best for us, and is still rocking it. ”

Yes Kuyty was another tough as boots wanted to play at all costs guy. Made up to see him banging them in still - hat tricks galore - how we could do with some of that.
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