That Chelsea win has evidently boosted our confidence - far more one touch incisive passing. Ibe has also got his mojo back - positive and imposing himself. Some of the touches from our forward players tonight were sublime. The goals will come. As for the suggestion from the poster bemoaning our cutting edge that we bring back Mario, words fail me.
Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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Originally Posted by Parthenon:
“Impressive performance away from home. A neutral may have thought we were the home team with those possession stats. 71% in the 1st half! Utterly dominant, if a little toothless in the final third.
Beat Bordeaux at Anfield in 3 weeks and we're through to the last 32.
”
“Impressive performance away from home. A neutral may have thought we were the home team with those possession stats. 71% in the 1st half! Utterly dominant, if a little toothless in the final third.
Beat Bordeaux at Anfield in 3 weeks and we're through to the last 32.
”
A 0-0 draw against Bordeaux will also see us through.
It was good to see that Klopp didn't rest players for tonights game, it shows he's taking the competition seriously, if we get through against Bordeaux we can rest players for the Sion game.
First I will comment on the game - part of me feels a bit critical cos I think we should have won by more - but then I stop myself and think more clearly.
Before it started from the Klopp era I had said that I was looking for more wins and better performances - exactly what we got tonight so that has to be good enough. Any expectation for us to win 3 or 4 -0 away from home is just unrealistic and I must at this stage stop thinking that way. Heck JK has not even got any of his own players in yet and is just using BRs men and so to get the level of performance he is getting I think is much to everyone's credit - players and management. Ibe especially was good tonight and reminded us of how he played last season when for a lot of the time he outshone Sterling (albeit a Sterling who did not have his heart in it) but most of the team put a shift in. Lets hope Ibe can keep it up in the PL - mind you most of the time he does not get picked in the starting eleven - this is giving Jurgen a problem but a good kind of problem.
Well put - for me it was a pen, it looked it first time through and the replay confirmed it. I hate the kind of thinking that says well there was contact but not enough so not a pen and you hear it so often.
As many will know I officiate in leagues round here - mainly at my age now as a linesman (or assistant referee to give it its proper name!!) and a few week ago I was doing a game and in about the 37th minute a player is pushed in the box and goes down claiming a pen. I was say 20 yards away and felt it was definitely a pen but the ref was 10 yards behind the player and stretched both arms out and shouted play on. In the pre match as usual the instructions from the ref to us were to give a pen by flagging if we were 100% sure and if we felt he did not have a good view but as he was nearer than me I felt I could not intervene. At half time I said to him I thought it was a pen as he was pushed and he agreed he had been pushed but said he did not give it as he went down too easily. I did not fall out too much with him as he is a mate and a good ref but I disagreed with him - if a player is pushed with the opponent putting 2 hands into his back then it is a pen no matter how he goes down - and tonight with Can was much the same, the contact was a pen and so how Can went down is irrelevant - or should be.
Before it started from the Klopp era I had said that I was looking for more wins and better performances - exactly what we got tonight so that has to be good enough. Any expectation for us to win 3 or 4 -0 away from home is just unrealistic and I must at this stage stop thinking that way. Heck JK has not even got any of his own players in yet and is just using BRs men and so to get the level of performance he is getting I think is much to everyone's credit - players and management. Ibe especially was good tonight and reminded us of how he played last season when for a lot of the time he outshone Sterling (albeit a Sterling who did not have his heart in it) but most of the team put a shift in. Lets hope Ibe can keep it up in the PL - mind you most of the time he does not get picked in the starting eleven - this is giving Jurgen a problem but a good kind of problem.
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“*Kazan defender rakes Can's heels with his stud*
*draws blood*
Michael Owen: "Not enough contact for me, not a penalty"
”
“*Kazan defender rakes Can's heels with his stud*
*draws blood*
Michael Owen: "Not enough contact for me, not a penalty"
”
Well put - for me it was a pen, it looked it first time through and the replay confirmed it. I hate the kind of thinking that says well there was contact but not enough so not a pen and you hear it so often.
As many will know I officiate in leagues round here - mainly at my age now as a linesman (or assistant referee to give it its proper name!!) and a few week ago I was doing a game and in about the 37th minute a player is pushed in the box and goes down claiming a pen. I was say 20 yards away and felt it was definitely a pen but the ref was 10 yards behind the player and stretched both arms out and shouted play on. In the pre match as usual the instructions from the ref to us were to give a pen by flagging if we were 100% sure and if we felt he did not have a good view but as he was nearer than me I felt I could not intervene. At half time I said to him I thought it was a pen as he was pushed and he agreed he had been pushed but said he did not give it as he went down too easily. I did not fall out too much with him as he is a mate and a good ref but I disagreed with him - if a player is pushed with the opponent putting 2 hands into his back then it is a pen no matter how he goes down - and tonight with Can was much the same, the contact was a pen and so how Can went down is irrelevant - or should be.
Originally Posted by alancracker:
“As many will know I officiate in leagues round here - mainly at my age now as a linesman (or assistant referee to give it its proper name!!) and a few week ago I was doing a game and in about the 37th minute a player is pushed in the box and goes down claiming a pen. I was say 20 yards away and felt it was definitely a pen but the ref was 10 yards behind the player and stretched both arms out and shouted play on. In the pre match as usual the instructions from the ref to us were to give a pen by flagging if we were 100% sure and if we felt he did not have a good view but as he was nearer than me I felt I could not intervene. At half time I said to him I thought it was a pen as he was pushed and he agreed he had been pushed but said he did not give it as he went down too easily. I did not fall out too much with him as he is a mate and a good ref but I disagreed with him - if a player is pushed with the opponent putting 2 hands into his back then it is a pen no matter how he goes down - and tonight with Can was much the same, the contact was a pen and so how Can went down is irrelevant - or should be.”
“As many will know I officiate in leagues round here - mainly at my age now as a linesman (or assistant referee to give it its proper name!!) and a few week ago I was doing a game and in about the 37th minute a player is pushed in the box and goes down claiming a pen. I was say 20 yards away and felt it was definitely a pen but the ref was 10 yards behind the player and stretched both arms out and shouted play on. In the pre match as usual the instructions from the ref to us were to give a pen by flagging if we were 100% sure and if we felt he did not have a good view but as he was nearer than me I felt I could not intervene. At half time I said to him I thought it was a pen as he was pushed and he agreed he had been pushed but said he did not give it as he went down too easily. I did not fall out too much with him as he is a mate and a good ref but I disagreed with him - if a player is pushed with the opponent putting 2 hands into his back then it is a pen no matter how he goes down - and tonight with Can was much the same, the contact was a pen and so how Can went down is irrelevant - or should be.”
Sorry to sidetrack things here a bit but I'm interested.
What circumstances would have led you to flag? Would you only have done it if you felt you were closer than the ref or would you not have undermined his decision at all unless it was exceptional?
You dont need to answer if its awkward!
should have scored more goals
very dissapointed with Milner
why is he captain?
what has he done to earn it!
get rid of him give captain to Sakho!
very dissapointed with Milner
why is he captain?
what has he done to earn it!
get rid of him give captain to Sakho!
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“*Kazan defender rakes Can's heels with his stud*
*draws blood*
Michael Owen: "Not enough contact for me, not a penalty"
”
“*Kazan defender rakes Can's heels with his stud*
*draws blood*
Michael Owen: "Not enough contact for me, not a penalty"
”
What made me laugh was when when Can went off and Owen was talking about the penalty appeal again.
He said something like Emre Can's first reaction was 'ooh, I've just been kicked here!' wouldn't it normally be 'Ow!' when you've been kicked.
Good win, bit of luck as well with Sion scoring late on. Should be through comfortably now and could still win the group.
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“We have now beaten two Russian clubs away in less than a week. (Empire of the Kop)”
“We have now beaten two Russian clubs away in less than a week. (Empire of the Kop)”
I see what you did there
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“We have now beaten two Russian clubs away in less than a week. (Empire of the Kop)”
“We have now beaten two Russian clubs away in less than a week. (Empire of the Kop)”
Post of the season for me so far.
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“I see what you did there”
“I see what you did there
”
The Empire of the Kop takes the credit (with The RedmenTV mentioning it). I just loved it enough to pass it on.
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“Sorry to sidetrack things here a bit but I'm interested.
What circumstances would have led you to flag? Would you only have done it if you felt you were closer than the ref or would you not have undermined his decision at all unless it was exceptional?
You dont need to answer if its awkward!”
“Sorry to sidetrack things here a bit but I'm interested.
What circumstances would have led you to flag? Would you only have done it if you felt you were closer than the ref or would you not have undermined his decision at all unless it was exceptional?
You dont need to answer if its awkward!”
It was a tough call at the time tbh Eddie - if the ref had not spread his arms wide and shouted play on I prob would have flagged but I felt that to flag after he had done that would undermine him too much and so did not.
I think the golden rule is if you feel you have a better angle than the ref and have seen something he did not then raise your flag and that is the usual pre match instruction from refs to us e.g. a hand ball on his blind side or with us looking straight at it when for him it may be side on view. For the incident in question he had a perfect view (evidenced by him saying at half time he had seen the push!!) and for his own reasons did not give it - he went down too easily - what rubbish!!
Some refs are a bit arrogant - I can hear some of you 'you don't say!!'
- one a few weeks ago said before the match that we were only to help him to give a pen if he looked at us for help, otherwise we are never to flag and should leave it to him as has will always have seen the incident and if he did not he should have done as he should be up with play to do so. Totally unrealistic!! - there will be times for all refs - even Webb, Collina.... whoever - when cos of angles ...etc they do not get views of incidents and need help from their liners but with particular ref who is the ref I least like lining for you tend to do the minimum and leave him to get on with it!!
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“I didn't know the game was on Freeview, i watched it online”
“I didn't know the game was on Freeview, i watched it online
”
I watched it online too, at least we didn't have to listen to Owen's drivel. Dammed good quality streaming tonight, I could even pick out who the players were, for a change!
TIA have Ibe and Sakho as the stars tonight, with Milner getting the wooden spoon. I think he's struggling with Klopps pace, I don't see where he fits in at all now, sad really.
I think Milner works better as a wide midfielder. He wants to play centrally, and he was promised that, but that promise was made under Brendan, and he hasn't been great. With Henderson coming back he'll want to accept a wider position or learn to love the bench. He might be the best player we have to play left-wing. Lallana can do a job there but he's better more centrally, for me.
I'm in Glasgow to sing and shout some abuse at Bono, so I missed the game but I'm glad we got the win under out belts in this competition; I'm one who definitely wants to be still playing in it come next spring.
Now just hope the journey back doesn't take too much out of them and they can get stuck into Palace at the weekend. That is another game we really have to win, not only for our confidence, not only because we owe that lot a going over, but I reckon the teams around us ( Leicester, West Ham ) could be picking up plenty points again this weekend and is like to stay close to them.
Now just hope the journey back doesn't take too much out of them and they can get stuck into Palace at the weekend. That is another game we really have to win, not only for our confidence, not only because we owe that lot a going over, but I reckon the teams around us ( Leicester, West Ham ) could be picking up plenty points again this weekend and is like to stay close to them.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“I watched it online too, at least we didn't have to listen to Owen's drivel. Dammed good quality streaming tonight, I could even pick out who the players were, for a change!
TIA have Ibe and Sakho as the stars tonight, with Milner getting the wooden spoon. I think he's struggling with Klopps pace, I don't see where he fits in at all now, sad really.”
“I watched it online too, at least we didn't have to listen to Owen's drivel. Dammed good quality streaming tonight, I could even pick out who the players were, for a change!
TIA have Ibe and Sakho as the stars tonight, with Milner getting the wooden spoon. I think he's struggling with Klopps pace, I don't see where he fits in at all now, sad really.”
I did
Yeah both did well, Sakhos much better than he used to be, some good passing and defending tonight again
Originally Posted by alancracker:
“It was a tough call at the time tbh Eddie - if the ref had not spread his arms wide and shouted play on I prob would have flagged but I felt that to flag after he had done that would undermine him too much and so did not.
I think the golden rule is if you feel you have a better angle than the ref and have seen something he did not then raise your flag and that is the usual pre match instruction from refs to us e.g. a hand ball on his blind side or with us looking straight at it when for him it may be side on view. For the incident in question he had a perfect view (evidenced by him saying at half time he had seen the push!!) and for his own reasons did not give it - he went down too easily - what rubbish!!
Some refs are a bit arrogant - I can hear some of you 'you don't say!!' - one a few weeks ago said before the match that we were only to help him to give a pen if he looked at us for help, otherwise we are never to flag and should leave it to him as has will always have seen the incident and if he did not he should have done as he should be up with play to do so. Totally unrealistic!! - there will be times for all refs - even Webb, Collina.... whoever - when cos of angles ...etc they do not get views of incidents and need help from their liners but with particular ref who is the ref I least like lining for you tend to do the minimum and leave him to get on with it!!”
“It was a tough call at the time tbh Eddie - if the ref had not spread his arms wide and shouted play on I prob would have flagged but I felt that to flag after he had done that would undermine him too much and so did not.
I think the golden rule is if you feel you have a better angle than the ref and have seen something he did not then raise your flag and that is the usual pre match instruction from refs to us e.g. a hand ball on his blind side or with us looking straight at it when for him it may be side on view. For the incident in question he had a perfect view (evidenced by him saying at half time he had seen the push!!) and for his own reasons did not give it - he went down too easily - what rubbish!!
Some refs are a bit arrogant - I can hear some of you 'you don't say!!'
- one a few weeks ago said before the match that we were only to help him to give a pen if he looked at us for help, otherwise we are never to flag and should leave it to him as has will always have seen the incident and if he did not he should have done as he should be up with play to do so. Totally unrealistic!! - there will be times for all refs - even Webb, Collina.... whoever - when cos of angles ...etc they do not get views of incidents and need help from their liners but with particular ref who is the ref I least like lining for you tend to do the minimum and leave him to get on with it!!”
Thanks for the reply, very very interesting stuff! Club loyalties aside im glad you took the time to respond.
Originally Posted by snukr:
“A 0-0 draw against Bordeaux will also see us through.”
“A 0-0 draw against Bordeaux will also see us through.”
That won't guarantee qualification - it would depend on Kazan.
Yes, 0-0 with Bordeaux guarantees we finish ahead of Bordeaux.
BUT it only gets us to 7 points.
Kazan are on 2 points - if they win their last 2 games they get to 8 points. (And Sion are already on 8 points).
So 0-0 with Bordeaux is enough to qualify on MD5 - as long as Kazan don't beat Sion.
If it's 0-0 with Bordeaux and Kazan do beat Sion then we would need to draw in Sion OR Kazan must fail to beat Bordeaux on MD6.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“That won't guarantee qualification - it would depend on Kazan.
Yes, 0-0 with Bordeaux guarantees we finish ahead of Bordeaux.
BUT it only gets us to 7 points.
Kazan are on 2 points - if they win their last 2 games they get to 8 points. (And Sion are already on 8 points).
So 0-0 with Bordeaux is enough to qualify on MD5 - as long as Kazan don't beat Sion.
If it's 0-0 with Bordeaux and Kazan do beat Sion then we would need to draw in Sion OR Kazan must fail to beat Bordeaux on MD6.”
“That won't guarantee qualification - it would depend on Kazan.
Yes, 0-0 with Bordeaux guarantees we finish ahead of Bordeaux.
BUT it only gets us to 7 points.
Kazan are on 2 points - if they win their last 2 games they get to 8 points. (And Sion are already on 8 points).
So 0-0 with Bordeaux is enough to qualify on MD5 - as long as Kazan don't beat Sion.
If it's 0-0 with Bordeaux and Kazan do beat Sion then we would need to draw in Sion OR Kazan must fail to beat Bordeaux on MD6.”
You're right, I don't expect that Kazan will win their last 2 games though.
Well after our struggle to break down 10 man Kazan at anfield I was a tad worried at the possibility of a nil nil but happily we were able to finish off one of the many chances we created, totally dominated the game with only the final ball/finish lacking.
Hard not to see the improvements already though, well done so far Jurgen
Hope no tired legs for CP on Sunday, as we have in the past, made Gayle & Bolasie look like world beaters when they play against us. Hopefully this new momentum and confidence we have under Klopp will drag us to victory.
I don't suppose Sturridge will be available will he?
Hard not to see the improvements already though, well done so far Jurgen
Hope no tired legs for CP on Sunday, as we have in the past, made Gayle & Bolasie look like world beaters when they play against us. Hopefully this new momentum and confidence we have under Klopp will drag us to victory.
I don't suppose Sturridge will be available will he?
The last I heard is Henderson and Sturridge should be back after the international break or very soon after.
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“I see our favourite anti-fan has been at it again! 3rd time lucky I hope.”
“I see our favourite anti-fan has been at it again! 3rd time lucky I hope.”
I have nothing to say on that
After her Hillsborough comment that she would not revisit to clarify or amend at all meaning presumably that she stood by it I refused to discuss anything with her - and in fact most of what she said football wise was rubbish anyway so it was not hard to stop myself.
However I do think the issue of Milner as VC (raised by her in its own special thread
) merits some discussion - and it is a hard one for JK. I think looking back now it was a mistake for BR to give him the job so early in his LFC career - altho in fairness not many of us said so at the time. I think it would have been better to hang on and see how he settled at the club playing wise. Now with him being VC (and with Hendo out captain) it is hard to leave him out but really on his play there is a strong case for leaving him out.What should JK do?
I think he has to look at the bigger picture and say that long term he wants Milner to be a success and so to strip him of the role would effect his morale and be very counter productive to that aim so for now he has to stay. If by the end of the season things still look as they are now then maybe a change should be contemplated with Lucas, Sakho and Skrtel for me the obvious replacement candidates but I think it is not something we should rush into as to keep morale high is very important and for sure JK has raised morale a hundredfold. None of the other candidates to replace him will be knocking the door down to demand the role so for now I think we should leave things be.
What do others think?
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