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Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
That comment from Klopp makes me feel very angry - for him, he deserves much better than moronic fans walking out like that. I would like to strangle each of them with their LFC scarves.
Time some became adults and realised the man is doing his best with BR's team - I'm actually fuming they made him feel that way!
He wasn't going to win each and every match, we have to take the losses, then improve and be ready for the next bunch, it's over, let's move forward.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
Shame that, as if it were Chelsea, the crowd would have all been on their feet clapping, and shouting his name, calling him god.
Hope Sakhos not too bad.
With the international break it should give Sakho some time to recover, so hopefully he won't miss too many games. I liked his determination to stay on, though, he's loving his football under Klopp.
Lovren didn't do too badly when he came on. Klopp would even be able to make Diego Costa look good if he wanted to.
Lovren didn't do too badly when he came on. Klopp would even be able to make Diego Costa look good if he wanted to.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“That comment from Klopp makes me feel very angry - for him, he deserves much better than moronic fans walking out like that. I would like to strangle each of them with their LFC scarves.
Time some became adults and realised the man is doing his best with BR's team - I'm actually fuming they made him feel that way!
He wasn't going to win each and every match, we have to take the losses, then improve and be ready for the next bunch, it's over, let's move forward.”
“That comment from Klopp makes me feel very angry - for him, he deserves much better than moronic fans walking out like that. I would like to strangle each of them with their LFC scarves.
Time some became adults and realised the man is doing his best with BR's team - I'm actually fuming they made him feel that way!
He wasn't going to win each and every match, we have to take the losses, then improve and be ready for the next bunch, it's over, let's move forward.”
The problem is this happens all the time, even when we are winning. "Strange" people pay their money and are then more worried about getting to their cars and avoiding the traffic queues at the end of the match than actually staying to the end of the match.
Corners at both ends of the pitch has been a major floor of ours for some time now, disappointing!
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“I still think Kuyt going was one of the daftest moves ever made at the time. He was our workhorse and duracell bunny all rolled into one. Never stopped, never gave up, Klopp would have loved him in his prime!”
“I still think Kuyt going was one of the daftest moves ever made at the time. He was our workhorse and duracell bunny all rolled into one. Never stopped, never gave up, Klopp would have loved him in his prime!
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Yep Kuyt was a great player for us, left too soon for my liking to, but I'm happy he's gone on to score plenty of goals at Fenerbache & now Feyenoord since, good luck to the man.
Originally Posted by Parthenon:
“Brought back down to earth after a strong start with Klopp. It reminds us that he's inherited a squad lacking in quality despite the vast sums spent. .”
“Brought back down to earth after a strong start with Klopp. It reminds us that he's inherited a squad lacking in quality despite the vast sums spent. .”
Exactly. I have not seen the game but that is my general impression reading the reports. Maybe its a good thing to have happened as it makes us fans begin to be more realistic in our expectations - as lets be honest some were probably thinking along the lines of 'If we win x games which is easily possible then we could finish very high in the league' - I must admit that was me a ;little bit. Meanwhile the reality is that we will win quite a few but also have some disappointments like today and will end up somewhere between 3rd and 8th - probably 5th or 6th but this season is largely a learning season and if we do win anything that would be a real bonus. Hopefully next season is when we will see real improvement.
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Our style under both BR and Klopp is prone to being done by counter-attacking sides with width. Hopefully Henderson and Sturridge back soon to add some verve.”
“Our style under both BR and Klopp is prone to being done by counter-attacking sides with width. Hopefully Henderson and Sturridge back soon to add some verve.”
What is our strongest eleven is open to discussion but I think most would agree that if the above 2 were fit they would be in the team and so to get them fit asap must be the aim - but not to rush them back before they are ready as we do have decent alternatives too.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
“Sakho left on crutches. I hope it's not a real bad one.
Klopp: "When Palace scored I saw many people leave. I felt very alone in this moment."
Huge difference for Klopp coming from Dortmund which is a very atmospheric stadium and a crowd he can feed energy off.”
when you pay 100 quid for a season ticket i would be a happy as a pig in **** too
Didn't see the game yesterday but it seemed to have the common theme of Liverpool once again having the majority of chances, wasting them and conceding from crosses into the box and corners.
This has been a problem we have had for a years and it's never been addressed. I don't know why but when the ball is crossed into our box whether it be from a cross in open play, free kick or corner our defence and goalkeeper are all over the place, I would guess we concede more goals from set pieces than anyone else in the league.
I hope that Klopp identifies this and begins work on trying to rectify the problem, its been an issue for far to long now and we won't challenge for a top 4 spot if we can't defend high balls into the box.
The other issue we have is obviously the striking department, we seem to have a lot of chances but can't put the ball in the net, I read Benteke wasted a hatful of chances yesterday, Ings is out for the season, Origi for me is not good enough, the only guy we have who can put the ball in the net on a consistent basis is Sturridge and fitness wise he's completely unreliable.
It will obviously take time and won't happen overnight plus I don't think he will be able to get the players he needs in January. I think he needs at least 2 Strikers who can stay fit and can finish on a regular basis, a Goalkeeper who can command his area and Defenders who can deal with set pieces, until that happens I'm afraid there's not much that Klopp can do and he's going to have to work with what's available.
This has been a problem we have had for a years and it's never been addressed. I don't know why but when the ball is crossed into our box whether it be from a cross in open play, free kick or corner our defence and goalkeeper are all over the place, I would guess we concede more goals from set pieces than anyone else in the league.
I hope that Klopp identifies this and begins work on trying to rectify the problem, its been an issue for far to long now and we won't challenge for a top 4 spot if we can't defend high balls into the box.
The other issue we have is obviously the striking department, we seem to have a lot of chances but can't put the ball in the net, I read Benteke wasted a hatful of chances yesterday, Ings is out for the season, Origi for me is not good enough, the only guy we have who can put the ball in the net on a consistent basis is Sturridge and fitness wise he's completely unreliable.
It will obviously take time and won't happen overnight plus I don't think he will be able to get the players he needs in January. I think he needs at least 2 Strikers who can stay fit and can finish on a regular basis, a Goalkeeper who can command his area and Defenders who can deal with set pieces, until that happens I'm afraid there's not much that Klopp can do and he's going to have to work with what's available.
Originally Posted by mattlewis86:
“Didn't see the game yesterday but it seemed to have the common theme of Liverpool once again having the majority of chances, wasting them and conceding from crosses into the box and corners.
This has been a problem we have had for a years and it's never been addressed. I don't know why but when the ball is crossed into our box whether it be from a cross in open play, free kick or corner our defence and goalkeeper are all over the place, I would guess we concede more goals from set pieces than anyone else in the league.
I hope that Klopp identifies this and begins work on trying to rectify the problem, its been an issue for far to long now and we won't challenge for a top 4 spot if we can't defend high balls into the box.
The other issue we have is obviously the striking department, we seem to have a lot of chances but can't put the ball in the net, I read Benteke wasted a hatful of chances yesterday, Ings is out for the season, Origi for me is not good enough, the only guy we have who can put the ball in the net on a consistent basis is Sturridge and fitness wise he's completely unreliable.
It will obviously take time and won't happen overnight plus I don't think he will be able to get the players he needs in January. I think he needs at least 2 Strikers who can stay fit and can finish on a regular basis, a Goalkeeper who can command his area and Defenders who can deal with set pieces, until that happens I'm afraid there's not much that Klopp can do and he's going to have to work with what's available.”
“Didn't see the game yesterday but it seemed to have the common theme of Liverpool once again having the majority of chances, wasting them and conceding from crosses into the box and corners.
This has been a problem we have had for a years and it's never been addressed. I don't know why but when the ball is crossed into our box whether it be from a cross in open play, free kick or corner our defence and goalkeeper are all over the place, I would guess we concede more goals from set pieces than anyone else in the league.
I hope that Klopp identifies this and begins work on trying to rectify the problem, its been an issue for far to long now and we won't challenge for a top 4 spot if we can't defend high balls into the box.
The other issue we have is obviously the striking department, we seem to have a lot of chances but can't put the ball in the net, I read Benteke wasted a hatful of chances yesterday, Ings is out for the season, Origi for me is not good enough, the only guy we have who can put the ball in the net on a consistent basis is Sturridge and fitness wise he's completely unreliable.
It will obviously take time and won't happen overnight plus I don't think he will be able to get the players he needs in January. I think he needs at least 2 Strikers who can stay fit and can finish on a regular basis, a Goalkeeper who can command his area and Defenders who can deal with set pieces, until that happens I'm afraid there's not much that Klopp can do and he's going to have to work with what's available.”
I don’t think we have defended that bad from crosses this season.
Ye the occasional goal will be conceded but do we look like conceding whenever the ball comes into the box? I would say that’s a big no
Tony Barrett..........
Quote:
“Shortly after taking over at Liverpool, Jürgen Klopp was asked by a foreign journalist if he had come to English football to right its wrongs, prompting images of a Germanic Jesus overturning the Premier League’s money tables, handing out cheap tickets and serving up free beer after momentous victories. Despite being taken aback, Klopp responded as best as a man who had just signed a contract worth up to £7 million per year possibly could, insisting that he is here only to win football matches.
Yesterday, Klopp lost a football match, but afterwards he held up a mirror to an element of fan culture that was totally alien to him. No sooner had Scott Dann’s header hit the back of the net to put Crystal Palace 2-1 up at Anfield than numerous Liverpool supporters began streaming away from the ground. Aghast at what was happening around him, the Liverpool manager momentarily turned his back to the pitch while the game was still going on and watched the exodus as it took place, his demeanour betraying his bewilderment at what was taking place.
Afterwards, Klopp explained his feelings, admitting that those who had left had made him feel “pretty alone,” particularly as there was still twelve minutes remaining including stoppage time. If it was a criticism of the Liverpool fans, then Klopp’s subsequent backtracking ensured that it did not become a confrontational one. “I don’t want to argue,” he added. “We [the team] are responsible for ensuring that nobody can leave the stadium a minute before the last whistle because everything can happen, and that is what we have to show.”
By shifting the issue onto his players and himself, Klopp neatly defused a situation when perhaps he should not have done. At some point, someone in a position of power at Liverpool has to ask the question that is posed in song by opposition fans on a regular basis: “Where’s your famous atmosphere?” European football folklore might decree that Anfield is a cauldron of passion, the home of the twelfth man where fans support their team even when a cause has already been lost, but the matchday experience continues to fly in the face of that reputation.
In fairness, the early exodus is as much a part of Anfield’s fabric as You’ll Never Walk Alone. It has been going on for decades, with supporters leaving early for a variety of reasons including getting to local pubs before they become too crowded, escaping packed car parks before they become too busy and getting to the Mersey Tunnel or the M62 before the roads that lead to them become gridlocked. Some leave before the final whistle simply out of habit. It has been happening at Anfield – and stadiums around the country – for as long as anyone can remember, but it is anathema to Klopp, who arrives from a culture at Borussia Dortmund where supporter and team are as one.
It is here that one of the main principles behind the idea that he is the perfect fit for Liverpool falls down. Liverpool are not the English Dortmund. They could be, if the will existed in the powers of corridor at Anfield and in Boston but it does not and that means Klopp is currently playing the role of conductor but he is doing so without an orchestra. It may not have been keeping with the Remembrance Day spirit, but the Palace fans had a point yesterday when they chanted that the commemorative silence was only supposed to last for a minute.
Liverpool, a club with the second-most expensive “cheap” tickets in the country, is losing sight of the identity that made it what it was. As yet, the best suggestion that the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, has come up with to solve a problem which has become an increasing concern in recent years is to host screenings of away games for local schoolchildren. At the same time as work on a new stand featuring more than 4,000 new corporate seats is being completed, it would be easy to argue that Mr Henry doesn’t quite understand the issue at hand, even if his idea was sparked by good intentions.
The opposite could be said of Fenway Sports Group’s choice of Klopp as Brendan Rodgers’s successor, an inspired decision that brought one of world football’s most revered coaches to Anfield. As Mr. Ferguson pointed out through teeth so gritted he probably needed fillings afterwards, Klopp has the potential to revitalise Liverpool and the ability to make them a force to be reckoned with once more. But he can’t do it alone. He needs help on and off the pitch and having politely pointed out that the backing he feels is necessary to allow him to achieve his aims is not always there, Liverpool need to ask what they can do to make Anfield the intimidating arena that their manager wants it to be.
It is unlikely that they will be able to put a stop to the traditional walkout with five to ten minutes remaining in games, but they might come up with ways of ensuring that fans are supportive for as long as they are in the ground. Klopp might have been too polite and too respectful of his new employers to point it out but many of the solutions to Liverpool’s identity crisis are to be found in Germany, a place where fan culture remains a priority for clubs who recognise its importance in what they are trying to achieve.”
“Shortly after taking over at Liverpool, Jürgen Klopp was asked by a foreign journalist if he had come to English football to right its wrongs, prompting images of a Germanic Jesus overturning the Premier League’s money tables, handing out cheap tickets and serving up free beer after momentous victories. Despite being taken aback, Klopp responded as best as a man who had just signed a contract worth up to £7 million per year possibly could, insisting that he is here only to win football matches.
Yesterday, Klopp lost a football match, but afterwards he held up a mirror to an element of fan culture that was totally alien to him. No sooner had Scott Dann’s header hit the back of the net to put Crystal Palace 2-1 up at Anfield than numerous Liverpool supporters began streaming away from the ground. Aghast at what was happening around him, the Liverpool manager momentarily turned his back to the pitch while the game was still going on and watched the exodus as it took place, his demeanour betraying his bewilderment at what was taking place.
Afterwards, Klopp explained his feelings, admitting that those who had left had made him feel “pretty alone,” particularly as there was still twelve minutes remaining including stoppage time. If it was a criticism of the Liverpool fans, then Klopp’s subsequent backtracking ensured that it did not become a confrontational one. “I don’t want to argue,” he added. “We [the team] are responsible for ensuring that nobody can leave the stadium a minute before the last whistle because everything can happen, and that is what we have to show.”
By shifting the issue onto his players and himself, Klopp neatly defused a situation when perhaps he should not have done. At some point, someone in a position of power at Liverpool has to ask the question that is posed in song by opposition fans on a regular basis: “Where’s your famous atmosphere?” European football folklore might decree that Anfield is a cauldron of passion, the home of the twelfth man where fans support their team even when a cause has already been lost, but the matchday experience continues to fly in the face of that reputation.
In fairness, the early exodus is as much a part of Anfield’s fabric as You’ll Never Walk Alone. It has been going on for decades, with supporters leaving early for a variety of reasons including getting to local pubs before they become too crowded, escaping packed car parks before they become too busy and getting to the Mersey Tunnel or the M62 before the roads that lead to them become gridlocked. Some leave before the final whistle simply out of habit. It has been happening at Anfield – and stadiums around the country – for as long as anyone can remember, but it is anathema to Klopp, who arrives from a culture at Borussia Dortmund where supporter and team are as one.
It is here that one of the main principles behind the idea that he is the perfect fit for Liverpool falls down. Liverpool are not the English Dortmund. They could be, if the will existed in the powers of corridor at Anfield and in Boston but it does not and that means Klopp is currently playing the role of conductor but he is doing so without an orchestra. It may not have been keeping with the Remembrance Day spirit, but the Palace fans had a point yesterday when they chanted that the commemorative silence was only supposed to last for a minute.
Liverpool, a club with the second-most expensive “cheap” tickets in the country, is losing sight of the identity that made it what it was. As yet, the best suggestion that the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, has come up with to solve a problem which has become an increasing concern in recent years is to host screenings of away games for local schoolchildren. At the same time as work on a new stand featuring more than 4,000 new corporate seats is being completed, it would be easy to argue that Mr Henry doesn’t quite understand the issue at hand, even if his idea was sparked by good intentions.
The opposite could be said of Fenway Sports Group’s choice of Klopp as Brendan Rodgers’s successor, an inspired decision that brought one of world football’s most revered coaches to Anfield. As Mr. Ferguson pointed out through teeth so gritted he probably needed fillings afterwards, Klopp has the potential to revitalise Liverpool and the ability to make them a force to be reckoned with once more. But he can’t do it alone. He needs help on and off the pitch and having politely pointed out that the backing he feels is necessary to allow him to achieve his aims is not always there, Liverpool need to ask what they can do to make Anfield the intimidating arena that their manager wants it to be.
It is unlikely that they will be able to put a stop to the traditional walkout with five to ten minutes remaining in games, but they might come up with ways of ensuring that fans are supportive for as long as they are in the ground. Klopp might have been too polite and too respectful of his new employers to point it out but many of the solutions to Liverpool’s identity crisis are to be found in Germany, a place where fan culture remains a priority for clubs who recognise its importance in what they are trying to achieve.”
Real talk.
The atmosphere at Anfield and pretty much all EPL grounds is average at best.
It’s just not like what you see in Germany or at a Marseille or Athletico Madrid and others.
While the whole Ultra thing can be negative what Ultra’s do add is a section of the stadium which is only for those willing to take part. If you wont sing or don’t want to you don’t go there.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“I don’t think we have defended that bad from crosses this season.
Ye the occasional goal will be conceded but do we look like conceding whenever the ball comes into the box? I would say that’s a big no
Tony Barrett..........
Real talk.
The atmosphere at Anfield and pretty much all EPL grounds is average at best.
It’s just not like what you see in Germany or at a Marseille or Athletico Madrid and others.
While the whole Ultra thing can be negative what Ultra’s do add is a section of the stadium which is only for those willing to take part. If you wont sing or don’t want to you don’t go there.”
“I don’t think we have defended that bad from crosses this season.
Ye the occasional goal will be conceded but do we look like conceding whenever the ball comes into the box? I would say that’s a big no
Tony Barrett..........
Real talk.
The atmosphere at Anfield and pretty much all EPL grounds is average at best.
It’s just not like what you see in Germany or at a Marseille or Athletico Madrid and others.
While the whole Ultra thing can be negative what Ultra’s do add is a section of the stadium which is only for those willing to take part. If you wont sing or don’t want to you don’t go there.”
If you go through the games we have played this season. The first goal we conceded against Man United was from a set piece into our box. The first goal West Ham scored was because of Skrtel's poor clearance from a cross. Norwich's equalizer came from a corner. Both of Villa's goals were from crosses into the box, Everton's goal was from a cross into the box that we made a mess of clearing before it fell to Lukaku. Rubin Kazan's goal at Anfield was from a long ball into the box. Southampton's equalizer started from a corner, then crosses across the box. Chelsea's goal came from a cross. Palace's first goal came from a cross that was again badly defended before it fell to Bolasie and their winner came from a corner.
So we have conceded 18 goals this season, 11 of those have come from set pieces or balls into our penalty area, tells me we have a big problem with defending them.
It might actually be more than that, I can't remember Sion's goal at Anfield or Bordeaux's in France or a few others.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Real talk.
The atmosphere at Anfield and pretty much all EPL grounds is average at best.
It’s just not like what you see in Germany or at a Marseille or Athletico Madrid and others.
While the whole Ultra thing can be negative what Ultra’s do add is a section of the stadium which is only for those willing to take part. If you wont sing or don’t want to you don’t go there.”
“Real talk.
The atmosphere at Anfield and pretty much all EPL grounds is average at best.
It’s just not like what you see in Germany or at a Marseille or Athletico Madrid and others.
While the whole Ultra thing can be negative what Ultra’s do add is a section of the stadium which is only for those willing to take part. If you wont sing or don’t want to you don’t go there.”
But we're not in Germany, or Marseille... or Atletico so what do you propose as a solution to improving atmospheres at Premier League stadia?
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“But we're not in Germany, or Marseille... or Atletico so what do you propose as a solution to improving atmospheres at Premier League stadia?”
“But we're not in Germany, or Marseille... or Atletico so what do you propose as a solution to improving atmospheres at Premier League stadia?”
Make it so Joe Bloggs can afford the gate money, and not just Tristran Fauntleroys. If all EPL clubs did that, the real fans would give all stadiums back that atmosphere, but it won't happen sadly, money roolz.
Klopp obviously has a point - it has been the case at Anfield for years and as Barrett says after Dortmund Jurgen must find it a bit strange - but if I am honest I do not see it changing any time soon as these people who leave early are largely too set in their ways. Barrett as usual was spot on with his comments - and do not ever complain about me doing long posts after the length of his but yeah I know his was better written 
- writing is his job!!
The fact that we are expanding our stadium and including 4K corporate seats in the expansion must tell you a lot about the way FSG think - and perhaps you can see why as that is the way we can raise revenue and so can compete at the level we want to in the transfer market. Knock on effect tho is the decline in the atmosphere at LFC home games - and it is not true that no PL stadiums have good atmosphere. Yesterday's visitors CPFC for instance have awesome home support that we can only dream about. 20 years ago to have written that sentence would have been seen as ridiculous but not any more I am sad to say.
I'll be honest, I used to love going to the match when I was younger, Now with matters like the price of tickets and other essentials which you pay out when going, the lack of atmosphere, the fact that there is so much footy to watch on TV and the boring nature of a lot of the play I am far less bothered about going these days. If I am offered the chance of a ticket I usually take it up but I will never go every game as I used to - altho I am still just as interested in the game going on DS and other internet outlets and discussing it and watching lots on Sky.
Does that make me or people like me less of a fan? - not for me to say
- writing is his job!!The fact that we are expanding our stadium and including 4K corporate seats in the expansion must tell you a lot about the way FSG think - and perhaps you can see why as that is the way we can raise revenue and so can compete at the level we want to in the transfer market. Knock on effect tho is the decline in the atmosphere at LFC home games - and it is not true that no PL stadiums have good atmosphere. Yesterday's visitors CPFC for instance have awesome home support that we can only dream about. 20 years ago to have written that sentence would have been seen as ridiculous but not any more I am sad to say.
I'll be honest, I used to love going to the match when I was younger, Now with matters like the price of tickets and other essentials which you pay out when going, the lack of atmosphere, the fact that there is so much footy to watch on TV and the boring nature of a lot of the play I am far less bothered about going these days. If I am offered the chance of a ticket I usually take it up but I will never go every game as I used to - altho I am still just as interested in the game going on DS and other internet outlets and discussing it and watching lots on Sky.
Does that make me or people like me less of a fan? - not for me to say
Originally Posted by alancracker:
“Klopp obviously has a point - it has been the case at Anfield for years and as Barrett says after Dortmund Jurgen must find it a bit strange - but if I am honest I do not see it changing any time soon as these people who leave early are largely too set in their ways. Barrett as usual was spot on with his comments - and do not ever complain about me doing long posts after the length of his but yeah I know his was better written - writing is his job!!
The fact that we are expanding our stadium and including 4K corporate seats in the expansion must tell you a lot about the way FSG think - and perhaps you can see why as that is the way we can raise revenue and so can compete at the level we want to in the transfer market. Knock on effect tho is the decline in the atmosphere at LFC home games - and it is not true that no PL stadiums have good atmosphere. Yesterday's visitors CPFC for instance have awesome home support that we can only dream about. 20 years ago to have written that sentence would have been seen as ridiculous but not any more I am sad to say.
I'll be honest, I used to love going to the match when I was younger, Now with matters like the price of tickets and other essentials which you pay out when going, the lack of atmosphere, the fact that there is so much footy to watch on TV and the boring nature of a lot of the play I am far less bothered about going these days. If I am offered the chance of a ticket I usually take it up but I will never go every game as I used to - altho I am still just as interested in the game going on DS and other internet outlets and discussing it and watching lots on Sky.
Does that make me or people like me less of a fan? - not for me to say”
“Klopp obviously has a point - it has been the case at Anfield for years and as Barrett says after Dortmund Jurgen must find it a bit strange - but if I am honest I do not see it changing any time soon as these people who leave early are largely too set in their ways. Barrett as usual was spot on with his comments - and do not ever complain about me doing long posts after the length of his but yeah I know his was better written
- writing is his job!!The fact that we are expanding our stadium and including 4K corporate seats in the expansion must tell you a lot about the way FSG think - and perhaps you can see why as that is the way we can raise revenue and so can compete at the level we want to in the transfer market. Knock on effect tho is the decline in the atmosphere at LFC home games - and it is not true that no PL stadiums have good atmosphere. Yesterday's visitors CPFC for instance have awesome home support that we can only dream about. 20 years ago to have written that sentence would have been seen as ridiculous but not any more I am sad to say.
I'll be honest, I used to love going to the match when I was younger, Now with matters like the price of tickets and other essentials which you pay out when going, the lack of atmosphere, the fact that there is so much footy to watch on TV and the boring nature of a lot of the play I am far less bothered about going these days. If I am offered the chance of a ticket I usually take it up but I will never go every game as I used to - altho I am still just as interested in the game going on DS and other internet outlets and discussing it and watching lots on Sky.
Does that make me or people like me less of a fan? - not for me to say
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I don't think it makes you less of a fan!
Agree, it's not true that no PL stadiums have no atmosphere, but for the majority, that is the case for many run of the mill games. European support seems to be so much more passionate and willing to "let themselves go" and jump around together or bounce or whatever! English fans just seem more stifled...I was at a Saint Gallen, game (Swiss team) and they were crazy, police even had to come into the stand at some time as the passion became aggressive - not saying that's good of course -
I don't think that used to be the case.
And fans leaving early seems to happen everywhere that I have been to or watched (in the PL). When there is a late goal in matches, you feel that some supporters seem to want to be seen to leave early to show that they are not happy with their team conceding... I think it's quite good that Klopp has highlighted this and it may change this pattern as now you are going to get the media/ commentators commenting on it when it happens during games... Of course there are circumstances where you need to or even want to, but for it to be a routine as it seems to be in many grounds... well it just doesnt look good in terms of the attitude of supporters.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Make it so Joe Bloggs can afford the gate money, and not just Tristran Fauntleroys. If all EPL clubs did that, the real fans would give all stadiums back that atmosphere, but it won't happen sadly, money roolz.”
“Make it so Joe Bloggs can afford the gate money, and not just Tristran Fauntleroys. If all EPL clubs did that, the real fans would give all stadiums back that atmosphere, but it won't happen sadly, money roolz.”
I think a number of things need to happen.
1. Review ticket prices. The idea that the ground being full most weeks means ticket prices are not a problem is absurd.
2. Safe standing areas but if not designated areas for those who want to sing.
3. One area of the ground at a minimum should be for the ‘hardcore’. Make the Kop end the stand for those that want to generate noise.
So Sakho is now out for 8 weeks, another highly frustrating season of injuries! We haven't been able to put out a first choice 11 all year. Seems it's an achievement in itself for Liverpool to get through a match without anyone getting injured these days!
Originally Posted by mattlewis86:
“So Sakho is now out for 8 weeks, another highly frustrating season of injuries! We haven't been able to put out a first choice 11 all year. Seems it's an achievement in itself for Liverpool to get through a match without anyone getting injured these days!”
“So Sakho is now out for 8 weeks, another highly frustrating season of injuries! We haven't been able to put out a first choice 11 all year. Seems it's an achievement in itself for Liverpool to get through a match without anyone getting injured these days!”
I feared another ACL which would have been season over so in that respect 8 weeks is a relief.
Sakho out for 8 weeks is a bit of a disaster. My pre-Crystal Palace worries came true sadly.... I think on another day we could have won that one.
Away to City next I believe, which could be another tough game. Depends which Manchester City turn up I guess.
Away to City next I believe, which could be another tough game. Depends which Manchester City turn up I guess.
Originally Posted by ChristmasCake:
“Sakho out for 8 weeks is a bit of a disaster. My pre-Crystal Palace worries came true sadly.... I think on another day we could have won that one.
Away to City next I believe, which could be another tough game. Depends which Manchester City turn up I guess.”
“Sakho out for 8 weeks is a bit of a disaster. My pre-Crystal Palace worries came true sadly.... I think on another day we could have won that one.
Away to City next I believe, which could be another tough game. Depends which Manchester City turn up I guess.”
I agree, Sakho is the one defender we have who can get the ball and ping a pick a pass into midfield. None of the others seem to be able to do it, I fear alot of sideways and backwards passes between Skrtel and Lovren slowing down our build up play.
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
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Chelsea fans leaving on 82mins, what a plastic bunch.”
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Chelsea fans leaving on 82mins, what a plastic bunch.”
Ha Ha Ha.
I wonder what you have to say now after Klopp's comments about your fans leaving?
Under an unprescedented collapse, the Chelsea fans have been showing fantastic support for our manager! Jose has been visably moved by the support he's been getting and spoke about how incredible it's been.
Originally Posted by mattlewis86:
“So Sakho is now out for 8 weeks, another highly frustrating season of injuries! We haven't been able to put out a first choice 11 all year. Seems it's an achievement in itself for Liverpool to get through a match without anyone getting injured these days!”
“So Sakho is now out for 8 weeks, another highly frustrating season of injuries! We haven't been able to put out a first choice 11 all year. Seems it's an achievement in itself for Liverpool to get through a match without anyone getting injured these days!”
I wonder if that time could've been shorter had he not run back on to the pitch. At the time I didn't want him to go back on, for fear of aggravating it, and I can't say I was too happy when he limped off again 5 minutes later.
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