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Old 09-12-2015, 14:22
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I'm sure he would be trilled with such great support.

Things can change.

Did any Arsenal fan ever see RVP having two injury-free seasons where he scored 30 goals for them and then went to Utd and did the same and won them the league after all the nightmare he had with all the injuries @ Arsenal.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...s-first-feared
I say that it was a huge mistake Wenger holding onto RVP for so long without any end product. Sure he had one good year with Arsenal then sodded off as soon as Unt were interested. He spent many many seasons perpetually injured just earning and was never a prolific scorer. Abou Diaby was worse, Wilshere, Ramsey and Walcott are hugely disappointing as well.
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Old 09-12-2015, 14:27
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Daniel Sturridge‘s hamstring injury is not as bad as feared and should see him return for the Reds’ festive fixtures.

Reports on Tuesday evening claimed Sturridge would be sidelined until the new year, but the injury is believed to be not as bad as first feared, and is not a torn hamstring meaning less time on the sidelines.

Jurgen Klopp‘s pre-match press conference ahead of the Reds’ Europa League final group game against FC Sion takes place this evening once the squad has arrived in Switzerland. The manager will update the media on the striker’s injury then.

Another player not making the trip to Sion is winger Jordon Ibe, who has an illness the day after turning 20.
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Hopefully correct on Danny, but, I still stand by my above post.

Tut Tut Mr Ibe - did we celebrate the birthday a tad too much!
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Old 09-12-2015, 14:54
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You can be behind him personally but from a Liverpool point of view you really cant. I think he is a cracking player but how can he possibly be relied upon? This is now the crucial Christmas period he is missing. What do you do in January when he comes back? Do you change the team to accommodate him whilst in the back of your mind thinking "How many games will he last?". Do you drop another forward for him knowing that at any point you may have to put that player back in again?

Its a real shame for Sturridge but if you cant reply on a player (for any reason) then you have a big problem.
I wish you would stop coming on here talking sense

You as a MUFC fan could be forgiven for mocking us and in fairness you haven't but all the same as one who is not so emotionally involved as the rest of us in here you can be dispassionate about it - some of what you say is not good to hear even tho it is true!!

I do not know how contracts work these days with the power of agents and people suing each other left right and centre but I would have thought that if poss we need to tell him he can stay but his contract needs to be adjusted to bring in a pay as you play element. So 100K or whatever his current wage is if he is available for selection but half that if he is injured - sounds harsh but I think it is fair and I think if we did let him go at any new club they would very quickly put something similar in.

I thought Benteke looked completely out of place on Sunday, although to be fair so did half the team so I don't wantr to be too harsh. However I agree he doesn't look like the sort of player Klopp wants in his side. Another waste of money sadly.
I felt that he was not suited to LFC before we signed him - as did many others - but in fairness he has not been totally rubbish with some good displays and goals - but I do agree that on Sunday he and Firmino (both cost around 30m this summer) were both awful. We cannot have too many more displays like that. Origi in contrast V S'ton and even in his little cameo on Sunday looked better so maybe while Studge is out we need to play Origi with Benteke on the bench - a hard choice for JK.
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Old 09-12-2015, 14:58
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Old 09-12-2015, 14:59
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I'm tired of will if Sturridge is fit or not, hate to say it but it's a joke and a shame he is a brilliant striker.

We should look to replace him by getting in another top class act up front.
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Old 09-12-2015, 15:04
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It is a tough one, as when he is fit, he is such a great player, and he offers you so many different options on the pitch, but his injury record is holding him back sadly.

Perhaps a start for him might be to say he will not be available for international selection until he can get himself fit for a good period of time?
That might be a very hard thing for him to say, but it might be in his best interests, as it would take away a bit of pressure from his shoulders, which he could put into his fitness for your club.

It is a very unfortunate situation for all concerned though.
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Old 09-12-2015, 15:21
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I do not know how contracts work these days with the power of agents and people suing each other left right and centre but I would have thought that if poss we need to tell him he can stay but his contract needs to be adjusted to bring in a pay as you play element. So 100K or whatever his current wage is if he is available for selection but half that if he is injured - sounds harsh but I think it is fair and I think if we did let him go at any new club they would very quickly put something similar in.
That would be disgusting and rightly no it couldnt be done. As I said before the club has made its bed with the contract. Sturridge for the last 18 months hasnt been fit enough but to be honest I dont see what he earns has anything to do with it.

You are right about another club not paying him what he earns here hence why he will be here long term. He wont walk away from his contract and I very much doubt a top side would want him so that leaves the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Stoke etc etc.

His not going to drop down to that level
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Old 09-12-2015, 16:58
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Another player not making the trip to Sion is winger Jordon Ibe, who has an illness the day after turning 20.
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Hopefully correct on Danny, but, I still stand by my above post.

Tut Tut Mr Ibe - did we celebrate the birthday a tad too much!
Ibe's probably just hungover after celebrating with his birthday pal Raheem Sterling. Probably been on the happy juice with him. Especially after getting two goals in Europe.
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Old 09-12-2015, 17:12
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haha watch this that's trending around.

https://www.facebook.com/dreamteamfc...3628265989430/
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Old 09-12-2015, 18:00
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I heard the Sturridge injury is not as serious as first thought. He has been pretty inactive for over a year so it is quite common to pick up injuries like this as his body adjusts to the rigours of training at full throttle, hopefully the injuries will become lesser and lesser, he is a great player and should be worth taking a risk on, but not to build a team around. We played our best football with Firminho leading the line anyways. So I am not too worried about his latest injury.
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Old 09-12-2015, 18:54
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Brilliant!
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:54
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http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/firs...mstring-injury

Jürgen Klopp has confirmed Daniel Sturridge is facing a spell on the sidelines after sustaining a hamstring strain against Newcastle United on Sunday.

The striker wasn’t part of the travelling Reds squad that departed John Lennon airport for Switzerland on Wednesday afternoon ahead of the Europa League tie against FC Sion.

Klopp told journalists at his pre-match press conference: “It’s a hamstring and it’s not easy to say when he can be back for us.

“There are two different things we have to look at – the one thing is the injury and the other is how we can bring him into a shape that is not so intensive for him, so he needs to train.

“The good thing with the muscle injury is that early [on] he can start to run and to train - not football but all the other things he needs. If you look at his history in the last months, and maybe the last year, it’s not a long time he’s been able to train.

“With all the games [we have], we have to find the specific point when it’s possible to bring him [on] for minutes and what makes most sense for his general shape.

“I can’t say at this moment what we will do exactly, but we’ll have to look at it.”

Klopp is unsure on when Sturridge will be ready to return to action, but admits Liverpool will look to tailor his rehabilitation process in order to try and ensure he can remain fit for the remainder of 2015-16.

The manager continued: “The injury is not that serious. The last time he trained, he got 60 minutes at Southampton, which was quite good, and then another 30 at Newcastle, which was not that good because in one of the first moments when he had a shot at goal, he felt something in the muscle.

“It’s not that serious, but it’s not possible to play. Now we have to build up his resistance. It is like it is. We have to help him be more resistant for all the games we have.”
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:09
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Alan, none of us would know what's in his contract and I doubt he would renegotiate a contract which would see him earning less and no doubt his agent has things pretty well sawn up with no loopholes to exploit even if LFC wanted to. Us mere mortals often have capability clause written into our contracts and we quite happily accept them because we have little choice, unlike football stars.
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:49
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I do not know how contracts work these days with the power of agents and people suing each other left right and centre but I would have thought that if poss we need to tell him he can stay but his contract needs to be adjusted to bring in a pay as you play element. So 100K or whatever his current wage is if he is available for selection but half that if he is injured - sounds harsh but I think it is fair and I think if we did let him go at any new club they would very quickly put something similar in.
According to the Mirror (from a Google search) he is supposedly on £150k a week, with the contract lasting until 2019. If that's true then he doesn't need to do anything. He's not going to alter his contract for our benefit. He could sit on that contract until 2019 if he wanted to. He won't need to reopen any negotiations for a couple years at least. He'll also know that a contract at his next club won't be as good as the current one, and with his insurance probably being high, as will the club. It won't be easy for the club to make him take a paycut and accept half his wages whenever he's injured.

Although if you offered me £100k a week, and £50k a week if I can't play, I'd be made up.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...erpool-4374150
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Old 09-12-2015, 21:43
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****ing mr glass

we need to get a new striker
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Old 09-12-2015, 22:48
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Klopp is hoping Sturridge will make a return as a sub against Watford on the 20th of December. That leaves us only Sion and WBA in the way. Just in time to get injured so he can get drunk and fat over Christmas.

That boy was made in China.
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:18
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****ing mr glass

we need to get a new striker
Say we get a new striker we potentially could have

Sturridge, Benteke, Origi, Ings, Fiminho and a new striker all fighting for 1 spot, 2 at best.

Total overkill
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:25
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How important is a win tonight? Apart from assisting our UEFA co-efficient, is there any direct advantage in the next round for teams topping their groups?
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:14
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How important is a win tonight? Apart from assisting our UEFA co-efficient, is there any direct advantage in the next round for teams topping their groups?
far less important than sunday's game so I hope klopp rests loads of players.
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:35
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:37
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How important is a win tonight? Apart from assisting our UEFA co-efficient, is there any direct advantage in the next round for teams topping their groups?
If we win the group it means we'll be seeded in the next round and will avoid playing the CL dropouts
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:46
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If we win the group it means we'll be seeded in the next round and will avoid playing the CL dropouts
Actually the 8 champions league drop outs are split in two. The four with higher ranking will be seeded and the four with the lowest ranking unseeded.
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:59
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Say we get a new striker we potentially could have

Sturridge, Benteke, Origi, Ings, Fiminho and a new striker all fighting for 1 spot, 2 at best.

Total overkill
Could we have one, if you have one going spare?!

We are a bit short number wise up front!
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Old 10-12-2015, 13:41
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Say we get a new striker we potentially could have

Sturridge, Benteke, Origi, Ings, Fiminho and a new striker all fighting for 1 spot, 2 at best.

Total overkill
That's the problem though, "potentially"?

I agree we have sufficient strikers above but Sturridge has only played 16 of 71 games I think it said, therefore we hardly ever have the above options. At this time we have both Sturridge & Ings out. Benteke & Firmino together as a pairing haven't impressed me so if we can get another striker we should.

In saying that Klopp knows best, maybe he thinks the front 3 that destroyed Chelsea, despite none being actual strikers is a better option whilst we have injuries.

Gotta love Klopp - smiled when I read his press comments below:

When asked by a journalist what differences his own team will show from that fixture, the Reds boss joked: "Do you work for FC Sion?"

He then added: "It's not something we can talk about before the game, you can ask me after the game what was our idea.

"Since [the first game] it's been about two-and-a-half months, so it's a long time in football and in England it's 425 games!
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Old 10-12-2015, 15:46
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Say we get a new striker we potentially could have

Sturridge, Benteke, Origi, Ings, Fiminho and a new striker all fighting for 1 spot, 2 at best.

Total overkill
The point isn't how many strikers we have. The point is how many do we have that are good enough for a team aiming for the top 4 and who can be relied upon to play more than a couple of games without getting injured?! We're still going to be fighting on 4 fronts in the new year so frankly that list of 5 does not look the least bit like over-kill.
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