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Old 30-06-2015, 00:03
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I have to admit I don't know anything about him, so will need to give the guy a decent chance.

It's fair to say I'm a little disappointed though. People have been telling me that there was no chance of someone like Meulensteen, Ayestaran or Hypia getting the job as they'd be a potential threat to BR. This appointment and the promotion of Lijnders sort of endorses that opinion.

As I say I'm willing to give them a chance to get a job done, but I can't help feeling that for the top end of the PL you need experience off the pitch as well as on it and a couple of, essentially, youth coaches just might not have enough to push BR in the right direction when needed.
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Old 30-06-2015, 00:24
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I have to admit I don't know anything about him, so will need to give the guy a decent chance.

It's fair to say I'm a little disappointed though. People have been telling me that there was no chance of someone like Meulensteen, Ayestaran or Hypia getting the job as they'd be a potential threat to BR. This appointment and the promotion of Lijnders sort of endorses that opinion.

As I say I'm willing to give them a chance to get a job done, but I can't help feeling that for the top end of the PL you need experience off the pitch as well as on it and a couple of, essentially, youth coaches just might not have enough to push BR in the right direction when needed.
Given that both coaches employ a very similar philosophy to Rodgers, I'm unsure that they'll make any real difference.

At least with one of the others you mentioned they may have challenged him a bit..
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Old 30-06-2015, 01:31
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Nope, I would like to think that Moreno will be our #1 LB for the foreseeable future. I know that a lot of people still aren't sold on him, but I still highly rate the kid. He has the potential to be absolutely brilliant, and with the right coaching, he can go on to fulfill that potential.

I certainly wouldn't want Flanagan on the left either. He did a job there a couple of seasons ago, but I very much want him on the right hand side in the future, rotating with Clyne and Manquillo (who I doubt we'll keep on beyond his loan tbh).
The full back position?

What I am most looking for from those who play there is the ability to defend - and then once they have done that if they can also add to the attack all well and good. A lot of the time I do not feel LFC have that mentality whereas CFC in Azpil and Ivanovic do That is why I worry over Moreno as his defending is simply not good enough - out of position a lot and not a good tackler but cos he is looks good going forward we turn a blind eye. Someone needs to teach him the art of defending. I am not in any way writing him off as I think there is a good player there and his attitude is first class but to improve he needs to be far less gung ho and do the defending part of his job better.

RB? - well Clyne will be first choice and I think potentially he could be excellent in both areas but until I have seen him play for us a bit I will not go too OTT. Manquillo was prob not as good as Moreno attacking wise but was just as dodgy defensively so not sure he is the answer but we watch and see how he develops next season and then decide whether to keep him on. I quite rate Wisdom tbh as he is a steady reliable player who can defend pretty well and whilst not as influential from an attacking stand point that does not worry me too much. I am not looking for the LFC FBs to be superstars I just want them to be reliable, do the job and not let us down. Often those playing there last season did let us down a bit

I like Flanagan too and he is OK defensively altho a little slight in build but despite this he rarely got out muscled off the ball. He could play on either side too - he was thought of as a RB but played a lot of the 2013/14 season at LB. The big worry with him is his fitness - when will he be fit again and when he is will he be as good?

Overall I think it is clear that Clyne and Moreno will be the first choice FBs next season - the biggest change I want is that I want to see them regard defending and making sure they mark players up against them and position themselves appropriately as their biggest responsibilities - but having said that they are both capable of over lapping and contributing at the other end too which obviously when the time is right we will want to see them doing.
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Old 30-06-2015, 13:24
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I'm going to go against the trend here, when you hear names like Ramos, Cech etc floating about our crop of signings doesn't compare, more average players.
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Old 30-06-2015, 14:11
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I'm going to go against the trend here, when you hear names like Ramos, Cech etc floating about our crop of signings doesn't compare, more average players.
Guess its time to support someone else then as the likes of Ramos wont be coming here.
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Old 30-06-2015, 17:06
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Guess its time to support someone else then as the likes of Ramos wont be coming here.
So I can see and then we'll all be on here crying Rodgers out etc before Xmas. We are still focused on quantity rather than quality.
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Old 30-06-2015, 18:54
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So I can see and then we'll all be on here crying Rodgers out etc before Xmas. We are still focused on quantity rather than quality.
Ramos' ego wants CL football and BIG wages - that's ignoring the fact he's overpriced for a player who'll be 30 next year with a rampant red card fetish. Oh, and Cech wanted to stay in London. This is not Football Manager - the only Cech you need is a reality Cech.
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Old 30-06-2015, 19:16
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Ramos' ego wants CL football and BIG wages - that's ignoring the fact he's overpriced for a player who'll be 30 next year with a rampant red card fetish. Oh, and Cech wanted to stay in London. This is not Football Manager - the only Cech you need is a reality Cech.
You did so well up until the pun.
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Old 30-06-2015, 20:42
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So I can see and then we'll all be on here crying Rodgers out etc before Xmas. We are still focused on quantity rather than quality.
Speak for yourself.
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Old 01-07-2015, 00:15
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Well the window is now open, will be interesting to see who comes & goes .
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Old 01-07-2015, 00:18
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Ramos' ego wants CL football and BIG wages - that's ignoring the fact he's overpriced for a player who'll be 30 next year with a rampant red card fetish. Oh, and Cech wanted to stay in London. This is not Football Manager - the only Cech you need is a reality Cech.
Exactly. We'd be talking astronomical wages for Ramos, and if he comes to England he's going to come with the intention of winning the Premier League and the Champions League. We can't offer a realistic challenge for either right now, so players of that calibre would not be interested in coming here.
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Old 01-07-2015, 14:24
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Exactly. We'd be talking astronomical wages for Ramos, and if he comes to England he's going to come with the intention of winning the Premier League and the Champions League. We can't offer a realistic challenge for either right now, so players of that calibre would not be interested in coming here.
I can say in all honesty I have no desire to see those type of players at LFC. I am not keen on the phrase used in the above post 'players of that calibre' I prefer 'players of that type' but maybe I am splitting hairs a bit!! Many of them come with big egos, lots of hangers on, massive wages and no guarantee of success - Shevchenko? Di Maria? Veron? Falcao? Robinho? and probably others too. Their presence can often destabilise a club.

Those commenting that we should be going for such people have no grasp of reality as even if we put ourselves n the market for them (which I think we would be unlikely to do) a) there is almost no chance that they would come to a non CL team no matter how much money was offered and b) as a club LFC has never been a superstar type club but rather one where the best players are encouraged to see themselves as part of the team above all - and that has been true of all of our best players over the years like Keegan, Dalglish Gerrard, Torres and Suarez.
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Old 01-07-2015, 16:52
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I am not keen on the phrase used in the above post 'players of that calibre' I prefer 'players of that type' but maybe I am splitting hairs a bit!!
What's the difference? Parthenon was correct in his wording.
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Old 01-07-2015, 17:11
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I can say in all honesty I have no desire to see those type of players at LFC. I am not keen on the phrase used in the above post 'players of that calibre' I prefer 'players of that type' but maybe I am splitting hairs a bit!! Many of them come with big egos, lots of hangers on, massive wages and no guarantee of success - Shevchenko? Di Maria? Veron? Falcao? Robinho? and probably others too. Their presence can often destabilise a club.

Those commenting that we should be going for such people have no grasp of reality as even if we put ourselves n the market for them (which I think we would be unlikely to do) a) there is almost no chance that they would come to a non CL team no matter how much money was offered and b) as a club LFC has never been a superstar type club but rather one where the best players are encouraged to see themselves as part of the team above all - and that has been true of all of our best players over the years like Keegan, Dalglish Gerrard, Torres and Suarez.
If affordable, and interested, we'd be insane not to look at someone like Ramos..
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Old 01-07-2015, 17:22
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If affordable, and interested, we'd be insane not to look at someone like Ramos..
I just used Ramos as an example but it got shot down immediately. We seem to avoid any big name quality players and instead focus on quantity. I would rather have 1 big name world class player if he would come than half a dozen average players. We've made what half a dozen signings thus far and I hope I am wrong but will they get us any further? I can't see it.
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Old 01-07-2015, 17:53
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I just used Ramos as an example but it got shot down immediately. We seem to avoid any big name quality players and instead focus on quantity. I would rather have 1 big name world class player if he would come than half a dozen average players. We've made what half a dozen signings thus far and I hope I am wrong but will they get us any further? I can't see it.
Shaqiri has just signed for Stoke for 12 million, at that bargain price shouldn't we have been in for him?
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Old 01-07-2015, 17:56
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Shaqiri has just signed for Stoke for 12 million, at that bargain price shouldn't we have been in for him?
Would of been worth a shot.
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Old 01-07-2015, 18:02
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Shaqiri has just signed for Stoke for 12 million, at that bargain price shouldn't we have been in for him?
He hasn't signed as far as I can see, I think its just a fee has been agreed. I could see a few other clubs coming out of the woodwork at that price before he agrees personal terms.
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Old 01-07-2015, 18:44
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He hasn't signed as far as I can see, I think its just a fee has been agreed. I could see a few other clubs coming out of the woodwork at that price before he agrees personal terms.
Oh, I didn't actually read the story, but at that price I definitely think we should be in for him..
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Old 01-07-2015, 18:46
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Shaqiri has just signed for Stoke for 12 million, at that bargain price shouldn't we have been in for him?
We're supposed to have looked at him very closely last summer. But we now have Ibe, Markovic and Lallana and the way I see us shaping up all three could struggle to get regular games.

I'm surprised Spurs, Villa and even West Ham aren't have a sniff at him for that kind of price.
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Old 01-07-2015, 18:49
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We're supposed to have looked at him very closely last summer. But we now have Ibe, Markovic and Lallana and the way I see us shaping up all three could struggle to get regular games.

I'm surprised Spurs, Villa and even West Ham aren't have a sniff at him for that kind of price.
I'd put him ahead of Ibe and Markovic, and it wouldn't hurt to have another option there depending on what happens with Sterling..
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Old 01-07-2015, 19:00
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I'd put him ahead of Ibe and Markovic, and it wouldn't hurt to have another option there depending on what happens with Sterling..
Well possibly, and if we do actually go and get Benteke ( or even a Llorente type) then another good crosser of the ball would be useful.
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Old 01-07-2015, 19:52
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Well possibly, and if we do actually go and get Benteke ( or even a Llorente type) then another good crosser of the ball would be useful.
Even without them, a champions league quality player is not someone we should be turning down..
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Old 01-07-2015, 20:26
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If affordable, and interested, we'd be insane not to look at someone like Ramos..
Dont see Ramos being affordable though. his wage demands are gonna be crazy high!

we do not operate in that end of the market.

We're supposed to have looked at him very closely last summer. But we now have Ibe, Markovic and Lallana and the way I see us shaping up all three could struggle to get regular games.

I'm surprised Spurs, Villa and even West Ham aren't have a sniff at him for that kind of price.
why are inter ready to ditch him after 6 months?

was it true that he actually snubbed us in january? Pretty sure I remember him saying that liverpool made an offer.

If thats true then is it really a surprise if the club dont go back in for him 6 months later.
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Old 01-07-2015, 22:26
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Mike Bernard is on twitter says Kovacic deal looks off.

Says his agent wants a 30 mil euro buy out clause inserted active from 2017. The club want a 40 mil clause from 2018.

Why is Ramos being mentioned on here. Ramos wants to go to Utd. His not looking to just quit Madrid. The real president again today said if he leaves his only going to Utd.

Shaqiri is a worry for me. Didn't make it at Bayern and lasts just 6 months in Milan and then look's like taking a mighty fall to sign for Stoke.

Seems to me @ 28 instead of coming into a prime period his on the decline.
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