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Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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misawa97
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“The point isn't how many strikers we have. The point is how many do we have that are good enough for a team aiming for the top 4 and who can be relied upon to play more than a couple of games without getting injured?! We're still going to be fighting on 4 fronts in the new year so frankly that list of 5 does not look the least bit like over-kill.”

So minus Ings who is out for the season we would have Sturridge, Benteke, Firminho and Orgi all fighting for a place. I seriously dont see much wrong with those four.

Sturridge is class. Benteke can improve but far too early to write him off completly. Firminho can improve and Origi is young enough to be moulded into the striker Klopp wants.

If we cant get by with those players there is something wrong.
Eddie hunter
10-12-2015
What happens if you have all these strikers and everyone is fit?
misawa97
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“What happens if you have all these strikers and everyone is fit?”

And thats the question I have. We have enough strikers as it is without adding more to the mix.

Now come the summer time that may change as Klopp may want to sell some strikers although considering everyone bar sturridge is new to the club not sure how bombing anyone out so soon without taking a major hit on the fee makes much sense.
Eddie hunter
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“And thats the question I have. We have enough strikers as it is without adding more to the mix.

Now come the summer time that may change as Klopp may want to sell some strikers although considering everyone bar sturridge is new to the club not sure how bombing anyone out so soon without taking a major hit on the fee makes much sense.”

I have similar sentiment about the Man Utd striker situation. If Rooney is off form and Martial has a bit of lean spell I understand the clamour people have for buying another striker or two. Problem is we play one up front and if Rooney was to return to any sort of form he is the captain and would play. That leaves a £30m+ playing in Martial plus the brand new signing(s) struggling for a game. Looks like great squad depth when there are players out but doesn't make for a happy ship if they are all fit and firing!
taurus_67
10-12-2015
All the noise at the moment is about this winger Kevin Grosskreutz. If there's any truth to it then it can't be good news for Markovic or even Lallana.
darkjedimaster
10-12-2015
Tonight's line up

Liverpool: Mignolet, Clyne, Toure, Lovren, Smith, Henderson, Milner, Can, Lallana, Firmino, Origi.

Subs: Bogdan, Randall, Skrtel, Rossiter, Brannagan, Coutinho, Benteke.

Quite happy with that
Dandem
10-12-2015
Well that was one of the most boring 45 minutes of football I've ever seen. I'd comment on what I've seen in that 1st half, but quite frankly I can't remember. The only thing that's still in my head is that the pitch is a bit shit.
mikeyddd
10-12-2015
Owen really does talk rubbish
Parthenon
10-12-2015
Yawn...
Richard_Cranium
10-12-2015
Two shocking performances in a row we will struggle against west brom
Grouty
10-12-2015
I wish id watched that paint dry now
Parthenon
10-12-2015
A thoroughly uninteresting game. Sion wanted the draw from the first minute and it suited us too. We tried to break them down without overcommitting but the woeful pitch made it difficult to get any sort of quick, incisive passing going.

Brad Smith did well and Coutinho got 30 minutes. So there are positives.
TheMunch
10-12-2015
Nice to see Henderson getting enough time, and Coutinho's back!

As said above, Brad Smith played well, despite the pitch getting in his way, particularly in the second half, yet he kept going for it.

Oh and we didn't concede. At least we topped the group.
Sick Bullet
10-12-2015
Sounds like I missed a truly awful boring match going of a Facebook.
Dandem
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Richard_Cranium:
“Two shocking performances in a row we will struggle against west brom”

Absolutely nothing can be taken or learned from this game, for a plethora of reasons.

- Sion only needed a draw and very much played for it.
- We had already qualified and were quite visibly not arsed about winning the match
- The pitch was absolutely dire
- It would've been absolutely freezing - the coldest the players will have experienced all year
- 2nd string players who have never played with the squad all that often were plentiful
- Henderson and Coutinho were just coming back from injuries

It was boring game that nobody on the pitch was bothered about winning and it showed. There is nothing to take away from this - either positive OR negative.
Orchideam
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“Absolutely nothing can be taken or learned from this game, for a plethora of reasons.

- Sion only needed a draw and very much played for it.
- We had already qualified and were quite visibly not arsed about winning the match
- The pitch was absolutely dire
- It would've been absolutely freezing - the coldest the players will have experienced all year
- 2nd string players who have never played with the squad all that often were plentiful
- Henderson and Coutinho were just coming back from injuries

It was boring game that nobody on the pitch was bothered about winning and it showed. There is nothing to take away from this - either positive OR negative.”

Disagree, we needed a draw to top the group, we didn't have to 'go for it' on a poor pitch, we just needed to defend well, and that's what we did - no more. No further injuries, no overplaying, just a simple boring draw - task done, and I'm happy with that.
misawa97
10-12-2015
A game we truly didn't need.
DUNDEEBOY
10-12-2015
People slag the Europa league unfairly Liverpool seeded for the knock out round can draw non seeds including borussia Dortmund, Sevilla and Valencia .
alancracker
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by darkjedimaster:
“Tonight's line up

Liverpool: Mignolet, Clyne, Toure, Lovren, Smith, Henderson, Milner, Can, Lallana, Firmino, Origi.

Subs: Bogdan, Randall, Skrtel, Rossiter, Brannagan, Coutinho, Benteke.

Quite happy with that ”

I know his situation has become a bit of a hobby horse with me but how come Smith play and Texeira can't cos of not being in the 25 man squad - surely as Smith was not at the club after the summer he was not in the squad either. Also - can we change the squad for the knock out stage? Or is Texeira out for the whole campaign? - cos I really want to see Texeira in a LFC shirt again and am not sure when or how it is going to happen.

On the game - awful - but it does not matter as we got what we needed and I do not want to read too much into it for that reason - but some of them need to up their game for the next game that's for sure and I am hopeful they can. I was out and rushed back for the kick off but did not get in till 20 minutes had gone but I do not think I missed much if the 70 minutes I did see were anything to go by.

Also on a positive note I am going to the WBA game on Sunday - my first PL match this season (I did go to the Rubin one) so I am really looking forward to it.
LONERIDER37
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“Absolutely nothing can be taken or learned from this game, for a plethora of reasons.

- Sion only needed a draw and very much played for it.
- We had already qualified and were quite visibly not arsed about winning the match
- The pitch was absolutely dire
- It would've been absolutely freezing - the coldest the players will have experienced all year
- 2nd string players who have never played with the squad all that often were plentiful
- Henderson and Coutinho were just coming back from injuries

It was boring game that nobody on the pitch was bothered about winning and it showed. There is nothing to take away from this - either positive OR negative.”

Going through your points:
Agree
Shouldn't be the case and if it was more youngsters should have been played
Probably played on worse in League cup games but fair enough
I'd be surprised if it was much warmer in russia when we played Ruban Kazan
I'd question Plentiful? Only Smith & Toure who started.
If your point 2 applies they shouldn't have been risked
Don't wish to harp on about it but when fans have paid good money to travel down there the least they should expect is that the team on the pitch are "bothered" about winning it.

We are through which is the main thing yes but I don't want to set any precedents for the players under Klopp that these performances are fine and dandy, we should be turning them over with the team we went with.

Well done to Sion on qualifying, they seemed pleased

Hope for better on Sun v WBA than the last 2 games have brought.
LONERIDER37
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by alancracker:
“cos I really want to see Texeira in a LFC shirt again and am not sure when or how it is going to happen.

Also on a positive note I am going to the WBA game on Sunday - my first PL match this season (I did go to the Rubin one) so I am really looking forward to it.”

The Exeter game should be one for him. Oh and enjoy the game, lets hope it's a goal fest in our favour, unlikely I know v a Pullis team.
Dandem
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by LONERIDER37:
“Going through your points:
Agree
Shouldn't be the case and if it was more youngsters should have been played
Probably played on worse in League cup games but fair enough
I'd be surprised if it was much warmer in russia when we played Ruban Kazan
I'd question Plentiful? Only Smith & Toure who started.
If your point 2 applies they shouldn't have been risked
Don't wish to harp on about it but when fans have paid good money to travel down there the least they should expect is that the team on the pitch are "bothered" about winning it.

We are through which is the main thing yes but I don't want to set any precedents for the players under Klopp that these performances are fine and dandy, we should be turning them over with the team we went with.

Well done to Sion on qualifying, they seemed pleased

Hope for better on Sun v WBA than the last 2 games have brought.”

All good counterpoints, but I'd still argue that this game can't really be taken into consideration when talking about "our form". The poster I quoted seemed to be making a big deal of the fact that we've played poorly for 2 games on the bounce and insinuated that that'll mean we'll play poorly against West Brom. These points were just to illustrate that this game can't really be used as a barometer for momentum going into Sunday.

I agree that we should have taken the game more seriously. As a fan, I like to see us put 100% in and win as many matches as possible, even if they are essentially friendlies. But this wasn't really evident in the body language of the players today, and it's not really much of a surprise given that our progress was already cemented. Had the players worked their asses off and not gotten a result, then I'd be more concerned about where the result against West Brom might be coming from. As it is, I expect Klopp to drill it into the players to go all out for this match and hopefully we'll see that the Newcastle and Palace games are just blips in the long run.
Parthenon
11-12-2015
If anyone's interested, our potential opponents for the round of 32 (to be played on the 18th and 25th of February) are:

Fenerbahce
Borussia Dortmund
Midtjylland
Villarreal
Marseille
Saint-Etienne
Sporting Lisbon
Fiorentina
Anderlecht
Sparta Prague
Augsburg
Sevilla
Valencia
Galatasaray
Shakhtar Donetsk

The draw is on Monday at midday. Some really decent sides there. The last 4 dropped in from the Champions League and are unseeded due to having weaker group finishes than the other 4 who also dropped in (Porto, Olympiacos, United and Leverkusen).

If there's one we really don't want I think it's Dortmund. Probably Sevilla too given that they're the holders. A big benefit of being seeded is that we host the second leg.
TheMunch
11-12-2015
I'd fancy Villareal or Marseille. Wouldn't mind Valencia for a good contest, and to knock the Nevilles out.

Would rather avoid the Turkish clubs, though with Fenerbahce we'd be facing RvP and Nani, and Markovic could help us out with a couple own-goals, if he can play against us.
Assa2
11-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“So minus Ings who is out for the season we would have Sturridge, Benteke, Firminho and Orgi all fighting for a place. I seriously dont see much wrong with those four.

Sturridge is class. Benteke can improve but far too early to write him off completly. Firminho can improve and Origi is young enough to be moulded into the striker Klopp wants.

If we cant get by with those players there is something wrong.”

Sturridge is hugely injury prone, Benteke doesn't appear to really suit the Klopp style, Firminho isn't a true striker and Origi is too young and inexperienced to be relied upon as our main striker.

If Sturridge was 100% fit and we could reasonably rely on him to stay that way long term there would be no issue (although I'm greedy and would prefer and equally capable striker as an alternative), but he isn't and we can't so we need someone we can rely on and I do not see any of the alternative we have right now being like-for-like replacements. We have a fantastic chance of having a successful season with silverware and CL qualification but not having the best possible striker options is a huge risk IMO.
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