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I have to say I'm really surprised by how tolerant Liverpool fans are towards Daniel Sturridge and his never-ending list of injuries. I think at some point, Klopp will just explode and say "enough is enough!". All players get injured, but this is really beyond ridiculous and not fair towards the club.
When Thomas Strunz played 10 games in two years for Bayern because of his endless injuries, this is what then-coach Trapattoni had to say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqp64q7kHmw and that's why Trapattoni will remain forever a fan- and management-favourite at Bayern. Quote:
BBC Sport just posted something on Facebook about Klopp having the players bow to the fans, apparently there are mixed reactions with people thinking we were celebrating the point. Except he's just showing the fans they're appreciated, he did it at Dortmund. I knew after it happened this would be mis-reported and seen as a celebration of the result rather than a celebration of the support.Sort your journalism out, BBC. Klopp is trying to build a spirit and relationship between the fans and the team. |
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#4127 |
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the amount of money we have spent we should be, the fact we bought average players is different, pray tell who is your team
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#4128 |
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I can see why Adam Bogdan was more expensive than Mignolet on Mondogoal. Simon had a negative score, so I'd have been better off with Bogdan.
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We draw Augsburg in the Europa.
A return to Germany for Jurgen Klopp to face Bundesliga side Augsburg. |
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#4130 |
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BBC Sport just posted something on Facebook about Klopp having the players bow to the fans, apparently there are mixed reactions with people thinking we were celebrating the point. Except he's just showing the fans they're appreciated, he did it at Dortmund.
Sort your journalism out, BBC. |
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#4131 |
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I thought that it was a good thing to see, I don't really like to see the players just waking off of the pitch, at least this way, the fans get to see the players doing something to thank them, and to recognise their support.
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#4132 |
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We draw Augsburg in the Europa.
A return to Germany for Jurgen Klopp to face Bundesliga side Augsburg. |
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#4133 |
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Arsenal didn't sack off Van Persie who had a similar injury record...
The point, in fact, is not that we have to rely on a injury-prone striker, it's who we have to rely on when he's out. We need better. |
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I just saw a picture on Facebook of Mignolet with his rather disturbing statistics since he joined us.
Appearances 90 Goals Conceded 112 Clean Sheets 28 Save Success Rate 67.6% Successful High Claims 79 Punches Clear 80 Errors Leading to goals 8 I knew he has had a few nightmares but never realised the total so far. |
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#4135 |
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I just saw a picture on Facebook of Mignolet with his rather disturbing statistics since he joined us.
Appearances 90 Goals Conceded 112 Clean Sheets 28 Save Success Rate 67.6% Successful High Claims 79 Punches Clear 80 Errors Leading to goals 8 I knew he has had a few nightmares but never realised the total so far. |
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#4136 |
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Van Persie's career at Arsenal coincides pretty well with their long trophy-less spell. He joined in 2004, they won the 2005 FA cup then nothing until last, season's cup. Perhaps had they had a reliable, less injury prone lead striker they might have won a few more things in that period?
The point, in fact, is not that we have to rely on a injury-prone striker, it's who we have to rely on when he's out. We need better. Same with us and Sturridge. Let's be honest, we have Ings, Origi and Benteke. They are good enough. Okay Ings is out, but between Benteke and Origi we should be able to perform better. Benteke might take some time to adjust, but we can't just write him off after what, half a season? Origi has shown, in bursts, that he has potential, and Firmino can slot in if necessary. If we want another striker, I'd suggest one would have to leave.. |
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#4137 |
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The point I was getting at, is that Van Persie was quality, they'd have kept him if they could, regardless of his injury record.
Same with us and Sturridge. Let's be honest, we have Ings, Origi and Benteke. They are good enough. Okay Ings is out, but between Benteke and Origi we should be able to perform better. Benteke might take some time to adjust, but we can't just write him off after what, half a season? Origi has shown, in bursts, that he has potential, and Firmino can slot in if necessary. If we want another striker, I'd suggest one would have to leave.. We should have more than enough to get through to the end of the season @ minimum. |
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No doubt one would have leave. With everyone fit we already have 5 if you include Firmino which you could argue is too many.
We should have more than enough to get through to the end of the season @ minimum. I'd rather strengthen elsewhere. A defensive midfielder, a centre back and a goalkeeper wouldn't go amiss. I wouldn't complain if we got in a couple of wingers too so that we don't have to rely on one tactical system.. |
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Better news than I expected regarding Lovren: no ligament injuries, just soft tissue damage but he'll still miss the best part of a month.
You have to admire the way Raineri has Leicester just trotting along game after game. I'll stick my neck out now and say if we can't beat them in the upcoming game then I doubt we'll get above them this season. And I guess that would mean making sure we get above Utd, Spurs and Everton. Oh and I wished we'd have found Mahrez ( or could tempt him in the summer ) . He might be having the purple patch of his career, but the way he dribbles and just seems to be able to going through tackles reminds me of how Suarez used to do it. |
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#4140 |
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The point I was getting at, is that Van Persie was quality, they'd have kept him if they could, regardless of his injury record.
Same with us and Sturridge. Let's be honest, we have Ings, Origi and Benteke. They are good enough. Okay Ings is out, but between Benteke and Origi we should be able to perform better. Benteke might take some time to adjust, but we can't just write him off after what, half a season? Origi has shown, in bursts, that he has potential, and Firmino can slot in if necessary. If we want another striker, I'd suggest one would have to leave.. |
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All these stats about Mignolet - I have seen some in the past which show him to be one of the best in the PL so it makes me mega sceptical of stats - something modern football seems obsessed by. After Sunday I saw a FB post saying Can did the most passes in the PL this weekend - as if that was something we need to cheer about. The same as when we were told that Milner ran further than any other midfielder - my response I must admit is a bit 'So what!!'
The only stats which interest me are goals - so lets look at our midfielders record on goals in the PL this season so far with us nearly half way through - Can 0, the same as Lallana, the same as Ibe (if he is seen as a MF player), the same as Allen, the same as Lucas meanwhile Firmino has one, Hendo one (from very few games), Milner 2 but one of them was a penalty - not good stats are they!! The only one who scores anything like how he should is Coutinho - unless our MF players contribute goals then we will always struggle to get where we want to be - I do not care if they are the best runners or do the most passes frankly. Yes stats can be of interest and can point us to potential recruits but then go and watch them play and do not over rely on the stats to decide if they are good enough, they are only a small part of the picture. |
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#4142 |
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Well here are the stats on Mignolet since 2013/14:
Comparison to 31 goalkeepers who have made more than 20 PL appearances: Save success: 67.6% - ranks 18th out of 31 Crosses: "Mignolet is the only 'keeper who has opted to punch the ball clear more times than he has successfully caught it from a cross (79), since the start of the 2013/14 season. To put that into perspective, the vast majority of 'keepers have caught crosses more than twice as many times as they've punched the ball." Overall performance: Ranks 22nd out of 31 - only 9 keepers rate lower http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...r-since-201314 |
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And yet Migs had the joint highest number of clean sheets last season. Stats can say anything you want.
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And yet Migs had the joint highest number of clean sheets last season. Stats can say anything you want.
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#4145 |
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The stats on Sky Sports still rate him highly for clean sheets. Clean sheets are only part of the picture though.
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#4146 |
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Divock Origi needs one more goal to be our joint-top goalscorer this season. What a flop that guy is.
![]() Don't take your eye off that golden boot, Jamie Vardy! |
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Our strikers suck
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#4148 |
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Of course. I was trying to point out the apparent contradiction to mlt11's use of stats to show that Migs is crap. He clearly isn't. Neither is he the best keeper in the league. He's about as good as the rest of the team in all honesty.
We need a commanding keeper, who can distribute the ball well. Quote:
Our strikers suck
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CC hits the nail on the head - Mig is OK but ideally we need better than OK as a good keeper can make a big difference - so that does not mean Butland, it means probably recruiting from abroad. I actually quite like Bogdan in his LFC displays so far but long term I doubt he is the answer. Watching the team you can see they lack confidence in Mig sadly - at set plays it is clearly in evidence.
Other needs? - 1) more goals from midfield 2) maybe another CB but when Sakho is fit we will have 3 good ones so not sure of that (see I rated Lovren as a good one there - he has gone up in my eyes!!) and 3) an alternative wide player to Ibe. I do think tho that it may be best to wait till the summer to bring people in unless an outstanding player was available in January which is not that likely - and by the summer JK will have had time to properly assess the squad. One thing which concerns me about JK is some of his comments about players - he seems happy with them all. I just hope that is a public face and that behind the scenes he knows who needs upgrading. I agree with some of his stance tho - he is right to give everyone a decent chance before ditching them and he is right to support his players - but maybe at times it is a bit OTT - like this week praising Mig and it now seems he is being given a new contract which puzzles me a bit. Hopefully it will mean nothing as most contracts do and is just a way of getting more if we sell him to get in an improvement |
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#4150 |
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Oh, I'm not sure anyone was saying Mignolet is crap, however, he isn't good enough.
We need a commanding keeper, who can distribute the ball well. Thanks for the fascinating insight..
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