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Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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zerothehero
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“We can't keep nlaming an ex manager for results and performances today. That's ridiculous.”

Well its his players that are giving the bad performances pretty much most of his signings are not good enough for tip teams
misawa97
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“They are is players, look at them what a joke.”

So when the side wins you will give credit to Rodgers then as they are 'his players'?
zerothehero
20-12-2015
Skrtel need to be the first out the door he couldn't defend his Nan having her handbag snatched let alone anything else
Sick Bullet
20-12-2015
Go on Klopp wipe out most of the team this Jan it needs to happen.
kobashi100
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
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Klopp will need 3 transfer windows minimum.”

this, it will take that at least for klopp to build his own team. its simply not possible to change so many players in one window like people expect next summer.
Dandem
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Who will we get of the required quality in January though?
We'd probably be replacing average with average at that stage of the season.With us floundering in the league and in Europe's secondary competition rather than the CL.”

There are players out there to be signed in January, you just gotta look for them. Remember that the likes of Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Maxi and Skrtel were all signed in January transfer windows.

Butland and Subotic sound like two obvious candidates at the moment, but I'm sure Klopp has other players in mind he'd like to bring in.
misawa97
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“Well its his players that are giving the bad performances pretty much most of his signings are not good enough for tip teams”

Irrelevant. Klopp knew what he was getting into when he agreed to accept the job. I don't for one minute think his shirking responsibility and blaming a the ex manager,

Klopp needs to build his own side but that doesn't mean the side is exused to play as it wants hiding behind 'blame Brendan Rodgers'
Sick Bullet
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“So when the side wins you will give credit to Rodgers then as they are 'his players'?”

No I give klopp the credit for motivating this bag of crap which last what for 3 games?

it's clear they can't be assed more than the quality to be fair.
zerothehero
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Irrelevant. Klopp knew what he was getting into when he agreed to accept the job. I don't for one minute think his shirking responsibility and blaming a the ex manager,

Klopp needs to build his own side but that doesn't mean the side is exused to play as it wants hiding behind 'blame Brendan Rodgers'”

The fact is most of his signings will be out of the club within the next 18 months you can't win the title with championship players
kobashi100
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“No I give klopp the credit for motivating this bag of crap which last what for 3 games?

it's clear they can't be assed more than the quality to be fair.”

so you blame klopp for failing to motivate them for more then 3 games then?

Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“The fact is most of his signings will be out of the club within the next 18 months you can't win the title with championship players”

forget about the title. god damn, we havent won it in over 20 odd years!
square-root
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“Skrtel need to be the first out the door he couldn't defend his Nan having her handbag snatched let alone anything else”

He's been seriously poor for ages, but Sakho was left on his arse at least twice this afternoon, and was culpable for the third goal. It's not just Skrtel who can't defend in the LFC back line.
Sick Bullet
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“so you blame klopp for failing to motivate them for more then 3 games then?”

Get away with you, the fact is we have average players do think we can win anything with our current squad? then ask why we have them.

See the bigger picture.
asyousay
20-12-2015
I have to say I am another one who finds Henderson average at best. I would sell him tomorrow if I could along with another 6 players who just don't seem to care at all.
Joey_J
20-12-2015
Frustrating

But its all part of the process

Klopp is the right man I feel to steady this ship over time

Convincing performances/Thrashings against Chelsea Southampton and City, then not so convincing performances against Newcastle, West Brom, Sion, and Watford, its all swings and round abouts at the moment, but I'm glad we've got Klopp as our man to have a stab at it

Time
zerothehero
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“so you blame klopp for failing to motivate them for more then 3 games then?



forget about the title. god damn, we havent won it in over 20 odd years!”

That's the problem we have been forgetting about the title for so long now because nobody wants to win it.

With Klopp we have someone who wants the title and will do anything to achieve it but he is not the type to move away from the blame from himself he will take responsibility

On today's performance their will be nobody more disappointed then Klopp himself and I'd hate to be in that dressing room right now as apparently he is the same as Ferguson so no doubt a few hairdryers will be thrown hopefully injuring a few players to stop them playing
misawa97
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by square-root:
“He's been seriously poor for ages, but Sakho was left on his arse at least twice this afternoon, and was culpable for the third goal. It's not just Skrtel who can't defend in the LFC back line.”

Sakho looked like 2nd half was a real struggle and broke down. His fitness isn't there just yet and if lovren was fit i think he would of got another week training.
kobashi100
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Joey_J:
“Frustrating

But its all part of the process

Klopp is the right man I feel to steady this ship over time

Convincing performances/Thrashings against Chelsea Southampton and City, then not so convincing performances against Newcastle, West Brom, Sion, and Watford, its all swings and round abouts at the moment, but I'm glad we've got Klopp as our man to have a stab at it

Time”

yeah, you are always gonna get inconsistent performances in a transitional period.

annoying yes, frustrating yes.

will get better though.
Orchideam
20-12-2015
Getting this into some sort of context.

You have 3 teams in the league who are currently playing out of their skins, and way, way above their usual station (no insult intended by that) - Leicester, CP & Watford. Now for normality, take them out of the equation and we would be sitting in 6th place with all our toughest games away done with.

Yes, we were cr*p today, but look around at the rest of the league, and apart from the above mentioned 3, has any team not played cr*p too - several times too?
misawa97
20-12-2015
I've really been disappointed with clyne going forward. His short passing is abysmal. Expected more from him.
lordOfTime
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“Really? The players don't want to play for us and the facts is each match we are getting closer to the drop zone and until Klopp ships this terrible players out and makes his own mark this result will stay the same.

Part of the blame goes to the owners they should have sacked Rodgers in the summer not let him bring more trash into the sqaud”

I agree the squad needs some work done but relegation? Have a word
TheSloth
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“No I give klopp the credit for motivating this bag of crap which last what for 3 games?

it's clear they can't be assed more than the quality to be fair.”

So we beat City and it's Klopp and lose and it's Rodgers? No agenda there, then. If we can walk all over City, Chelsea and Southampton away with some great football, the players ARE good enough for where we are right now. We've no divine right to CL quality players right now.

Classic knee-jerking and tantrums from the usual suspects. A few signings and time is all that's nedded. Rafa, Hodgson and Dalglish have as much to do with this as Rodgers does - losing our CL status for an extended period has been the root cause of the erratic last five years. Klopp needs time and I'm sure he already knows which players can and can't evolve under him.
Parthenon
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Outmuscled is the phrase I'd use but there's nothing wrong with that approach. As has been the case for a number of years, we need to sign players with technical quality but also the ability to avoid intimidation.

A team of Gerrard and Carra's mentality would not go amiss right now.”

For sure. We got bullied today and we've seen it happen so often in these tough away matches in the past few years. Today it seemed to be an issue of desire. We're not necessarily a small/weak side. Watford won every 50-50 and 2nd ball because they wanted it more.
Michael_Vaughan
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“There are players out there to be signed in January, you just gotta look for them. Remember that the likes of Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Maxi and Skrtel were all signed in January transfer windows.

Butland and Subotic sound like two obvious candidates at the moment, but I'm sure Klopp has other players in mind he'd like to bring in.”

Four of the players you mentioned had or have had injury or disciplinary issues affecting their availability whilst at LFC. Suarez was a once in a generation signing of a player who became world class.

We need to sign players in Jan who have the quality and the stamina for the PL.I'm just stressing they can be very difficult to capture at that time of year.
TheSloth
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“The fact is most of his signings will be out of the club within the next 18 months you can't win the title with championship players”

Stop embarrassing yourself.
Sick Bullet
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Stop embarrassing yourself.”

He is right, or do you think the majority of our team is top class?
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