People should get a grip, praising players against city and Southampton but now claiming they should play in the championship.

It's so black and white dependent a result. The side needs work, the squad needs work but sell everyone and buy a whole new team. Ridiculous.

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Your embarrassing yourself thinking they are world class and capable of winningthe title

What's with the world class talk?

Do you think the club is going to go out and buy the best players in the world making it some super team.

They dont need world class players they need better quality players and players that actually want to play for Liverpool and dont want high wages

they are not championship players tho

There's a middle ground between top class and Championship players. This is from the same poster who's mentioned relegation. Hysteria and OTT.

I think he adds nothing when playing for England as well

yeah because all these players that do come in will be asking for low wages and expressing that money plays no part as playing for livepool is simply enough.

get back in the real world!

Think we are in the wrong sport then as when signing players your competing against others and the £££ matter. Good players want high wages, just the way it is.

Still don't understand why Skrtel has this obsession with dropping deep. He does it constantly.

Toure has his critics but at least he stays in line with the rest.

Here is a couple of examples from today and vs Newcastle which both led to goals.

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Happens all the time and for a side which wants to be aggressive and defend on the front foot you can't have Skrtel.

He hasn't done much for England but that's it, that's where he suffers when non-Liverpool fans don't rate him. His Liverpool career for the past couple seasons shows why he's rated among Liverpool fans, he shouldn't be judged on his England career. England would suggest Welbeck is world class and Sturridge is poor.

You say "as well" but it's not "as well", it's just England that he supposedly adds nothing. He's an important player in our side and you don't become that if you're average. You don't become Liverpool captain if you're average.

The idea that Henderson is poor and needs selling is absolutely ludicrous. He's been an important member of the squad now for at least 2 years, and many of his performances have been brilliant.

I suppose it's because he's not scoring the 30 yard screamers every week isn't it?

Where have I said they're all world class? The only time I'd even dreamt about the title was when Sturridge came back firing during our great start under Klopp. As things stand, I think 4th is still acheivable - certainly not as far fetched as calling the squad Championship quality and citing relegation.

To be honest I am glad the shit has now finally hit the fan. I have said all along and been corrected in the past for saying we have average at best players, I think now we can all see the truth. In our current set up there are less than a handful of players I would keep, scrap the rest.

Yes, thank God that we're playing shit now just so you can be proved right. Because proving you right is more important.

To be honest, I don't think it's far from that, certainly if Liverpool are serious about getting back in the CL anytime in the next 5 years. Klopp does seem to have stopped motivating the players in the last month, plus his team selections are bizarre. Either he knows the players aren't good enough and there's nothing he can do until next season, or he knows he's out of his depth.

No its not that at all but some folk on here do not see what is right in front of them and make excuses, supporters from other clubs can see it as clear as day.

Henderson is an average engine room type player. He needs far better players around him than he currently has in order to make himself look good.

He was by far and away our best player on the field today, and one I would hate to see booted out. I think without him today we could have suffered a bigger thrashing.


Agree, we are still in the running, 5 points off 4th doesn't make us dead!

Oh, and for the record, I think a fit Sturrudge and Coutinho are CL class with the rest mostly top six PL quality. For our current status, that's about what I'd expect quality-wise. Howrver, decent coaching and a stronger mentality can make a difference until we can attract better players or Klopp recruits players that better fit his style. As Leicester have proved, consistency in lineup and tactics plus key players remaining fit can be as equally effective as having a squad crammed with stars.

OK, mis-read about what you said about how he performs for England...
Today, he did make a couple of driving runs in the second half (which I dont see him do often enough) but he lost the ball both times... He is an important player in the side, but I think that reflects more on the quality of the rest of the side than his qualities as a top midfielder to build a team around

I think you'll find that hapoened at Selhurst Park in 1995...

Watford thoroughly deserved the win for sure, we were very poor!

Bogdan, whilst unlucky he didn't get the decision, flapped at the ball and looked far from composed compared to how he had been when called upon in the CC games.

Sakho was beyond poor today, had the worst game I have ever witnessed from a CB. Fitness should not have come into it, and if so Toure should have started, but to be honest fitness issues had little to do with Sakho's bambi on ice return!

In saying that the whole team were poor, I'm not sure what has happened since the Newcastle game, gone downhill rapidly performance wise.

To think a month ago people were posting can we win the league, and a few weeks later we look a bang average just above mid table team losing meekly to a newly promoted but hard working outfit in Watford.

Bigger job ahead for klopp than maybe he first thought.

On the Henderson comments, I would like to say I expect far better from an LFC captain than showing constant dissent to the officials. 1st half Henderson was like in the Dalglish days on the right and out of the game, 2nd half whilst better showed far too much disdain to the officials. That's not the passion I want to see from our captain, moaning at officials. I actually think after 4 goes he was lucky not to be booked for it!

Going off recent performances from our current 2, not too rosy

Shame we didn't look at Butland whilst he was at Birmingham before he went to Stoke, he was highly rated back then.

We're going to be underdogs against Leicester at home on boxing day, that's for sure.