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Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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South Coast52
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“that benteke miss!!”

Laughably pathetic attempt.

Where four Liverpool players offside for that goal attempt? I think all four were in the Leicester half when the ball was played forward. Their goalie was still in our half and there was only one defender goal side in their half.

How did the linesman miss that? I suppose he forgot that their goalie had decided to play as a striker for the last minute.


Bollox to all that assistant ref stuff, I'm old school.
Orchideam
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“I hope your captain scores a hat-trick of own goals. Unless it's a Liverpool player then someone else.

From your favourite Munch.

Oh, and happy birthday!

Actually I'm only a hundred points off you now. If Vardy learned to turn up now and then, then the margin...wouldn't be any different since you also have him. ”

That's so mean Munch - good job I know you better!

I had a shocking result yesterday, played devils advocate and removed all of our players, but filled with Leicester players. Knew if I did that we would win, and I would lose on the Ultimate, so, you might just catch me if I do that again!

The transfer season opens up soon, so we can discard of the dead wood over that window and get in some hot new players, but be careful, it's a time you can be bitten badly!
alancracker
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by Richard_Cranium:
“yes i laughed at them due to their sly insult, secondly he said i said things i didnt.
so i was right on both counts.

so please read the posts thoroughly before making your judgement, i thank you.”

Sad that you declined my invitation to do a conciliatory post but if we are going to pick posts apart ....

What started it was that you had a go at the player who scored the winning goal for the team you support for the manner in which he scored it, (which personally I have to confess I find a bit ) The other poster then explained why the manner he scored it was in his opinion good play whilst confessing that he had not seen the whole game but had seen the goal and then you said lol at him for his views given that he had not seen the game - even tho he had seen the incident which he commented on (the goal)..

Re the liar bit he said you were insinuating Benteke was lucky - which you were due to your statement that the ball came to him when he was stationary, he did not say you said he was lucky, he said you insinuated it - which you clearly did - altho yes I will grant you that you did not actually use the word lucky.

I will admit that I too worry over the form of our 32m and 29m signings last summer - but we have to give them more time and hope that in time they are able to come up with the goods on a regular basis. Its true that Benteke did not play in our best wins of the season V MCFC and SFC and he played only part of the CFC win, Firmino was very poor in our recent bad losses V NUFC and Watford so of course there are worries but is the answer to ditch them after less than 6 months? - I'd suggest not and actually both have done some things worthy of their fees - it's just that we need to see such play more often, no LFC fan would disagree with that. Part of the ethos of being a good fan of any team is to support players and by that support help them improve. I used to think LFC had more of such fans than most teams, nowadays I am not so sure but even so I would suggest it is one way in which we as fans can help the team to achieve their goals - rather than having a go at each other and the players - especially after we have just beaten the team who are top of the league and had not lost an away game all season and also prior to yesterday had scored in every single game this season.
TheSloth
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“Sorry I am not saying Benteke does not deserve credit for his goal... But in one post here you have tried to make Benteke sound like a modern day Gabriel Batistuta. Which he is not, Benteke is a player suited for teams aiming for mid table, not league winner material.”

No, I described one goal, illustrating that in that instance Benteke demonstrated a typical striker's awareness of where space is. What riled some on here is that it was unfairly used to bemoan Benteke's lack of movement - this was one occasion where using that accusation was spectacularly misplaced.

It is undoubtedly true that Benteke needs to adapt to Klopp's style of play but it is no less true that we also have to play to his strengths more. Pressing is one area Benteke needs to improve on if he is to start more games.

To call Benteke a player best suited to mo-table aspiration is way off the mark. He is easily a top six player as his Premier League goals record testifies - almost one in two over a sustained period. He is, however, a confidence player so is prone to the occasional barren spell and this won't be helped if in and out of the side.

Benteke has scored enough highly technical goals to prove he has the talent to succeed at Liverpool but both he and the club need to adapt to each other to make that happen. I can't understand why Balotelli is labelled a flawed genius with even less movement and output whilst Benteke is dismissed as a mid table player at best with a much more creditable goal return.

If we progress and ultimately return to the CL, I'm sure we'll upgrade our striking options but as it stands Benteke is perfectly capable of doing a job for us as long as he gets some help in sharing the goals burden. Sturridge's rumoured return will help and/or Klopp may buy/loan in January (especially if Origi's injury is a medium term one).

Anyway, on to Wednesday - really hoping we can put two wins together, we need to put pressure on rivals for those European places.
taurus_67
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“Because the 1 goal appears to have papered over a LOT OF obvious inadequacies in the eyes of some naive supporters. Benteke is simply not mobile enough, is far too slow and can easily be nullified against top class defenders.”

It's true he doesn't have the greatest movement or pace, but that doesn't make him useless. There are other types of strike and he has different attributes: he's strong, combative and good in the air. To get the very best from him requires supplying quality crosses. There is a place for that type of player just as much as there is a place for the sprinters. It'll be up to the manager to decide what direction he wants to take the attack.

That doesn't excuse or lessen the disappointment with his two poor misses yesterday, but strikers do miss chances and, I think, Benteke is the type of player who may go a little off the boil if he isn't playing every week and he hasn't played that many minutes over the last month or so.

His record against PL defenders ( if they count as top class) is actually better than Sturridge's . If my stats and arithmetic are correct, Benteke has 103 PL appearances scoring 47 goals ( roughly 1 goal every 2 games) while Sturridge has 63 goals for 156 appearances ( roughly 1 every 2.5 games ) .
taurus_67
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Best birthday ever!

LFC win, dinner, and Star Wars in imax 3D - can it get any better!

Oh so happy today!”


My brother has a Christmas time birthday and he absolutely hates it, lol.

Happy Birthday, glad you great day and may The Force continue to be with you...and more especially with Benteke
Grouty
27-12-2015
Sturridge tweets hes good to go.
TheSloth
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“Sturridge tweets hes good to go.”

...to the physio's room? I hope he can stay fit as he makes a big difference to our attacking dimension.

By the way, what happened to the thrashing you predicted Leicester would give us?
LONERIDER37
27-12-2015
It was certainly a better performance v Leicester than the previous couple. Could easily have been less nervy too, Lallana missing a chance, Henderson fluffing his lines after our breakaway and passing behind everyone and then that Benteke miss .

But a win is a win and I actually thought it was a decent finish by Benteke for his goal.

Vital now that we beat a Sunderland side that were 2 nil down after 13 mins to Chelsea and 3 nil down to city after 20 mins, It's a game we simply cannot afford not to win. we need some consistency, beat Sunderland and with a few tasty games going on and all of a sudden that top 4 spot is within reach again, anything less and I'll have to give up getting my hopes up after any win.
Richard_Cranium
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“Sorry I am not saying Benteke does not deserve credit for his goal... But in one post here you have tried to make Benteke sound like a modern day Gabriel Batistuta. Which he is not, Benteke is a player suited for teams aiming for mid table, not league winner material.”

well said sir
mikeyddd
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by South Coast52:
“Laughably pathetic attempt.

Where four Liverpool players offside for that goal attempt? I think all four were in the Leicester half when the ball was played forward. Their goalie was still in our half and there was only one defender goal side in their half.

How did the linesman miss that? I suppose he forgot that their goalie had decided to play as a striker for the last minute.


Bollox to all that assistant ref stuff, I'm old school. ”

Maybe a good spot, but re checking on YouTube the camera angle only shows the middle and far side of the pitch, we can't see if there was a defender on the near / assistants side playing them all on.
taurus_67
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by LONERIDER37:
“It was certainly a better performance v Leicester than the previous couple. Could easily have been less nervy too, Lallana missing a chance, Henderson fluffing his lines after our breakaway and passing behind everyone and then that Benteke miss .

But a win is a win and I actually thought it was a decent finish by Benteke for his goal.

Vital now that we beat a Sunderland side that were 2 nil down after 13 mins to Chelsea and 3 nil down to city after 20 mins, It's a game we simply cannot afford not to win. we need some consistency, beat Sunderland and with a few tasty games going on and all of a sudden that top 4 spot is within reach again, anything less and I'll have to give up getting my hopes up after any win.”

I think we need to go on and beat West Ham as well now if there's to be any remaining hope of top 4. We then have Arsenal and Utd within four days of each other at Anfield, and good results in those games too really would see us in a much stronger position. Might even help attract a good signing towards the end of the window.

With eight teams still close and within touching distance of one another draws would be really damaging. We could get to 4th or 5th, but a couple of silly results and we could easily be 12th! And it's been a season of silly results.

Here's to 2016, a year of far fewer injuries.
Joey Boswell
27-12-2015
Richard Cranium you are rude.
Richard_Cranium
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by Joey Boswell:
“Richard Cranium you are rude.”

no more then anyone else on here.

I am vindictive tho
misawa97
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“Because the 1 goal appears to have papered over a LOT OF obvious inadequacies in the eyes of some naive supporters. Benteke is simply not mobile enough, is far too slow and can easily be nullified against top class defenders.”

No doubt he has flaws but yesterday he came off the bench and scored the winning goal. Rather look at the positives from yesterday which far outweighed the negatives from Benteke.
Grouty
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“...to the physio's room? I hope he can stay fit as he makes a big difference to our attacking dimension.

By the way, what happened to the thrashing you predicted Leicester would give us? ”



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misawa97
28-12-2015
So Klopp won't be rushing Sturridge back.

Defeats all the idiots who claim Sturridge is a waste of space and doesn't want to play.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...klopp-10656915

Quote:
“ Jurgen Klopp has revealed Daniel Sturridge’s current training programme is the most intensive of his three-year Liverpool career.

But the Reds boss insists he will not rush the striker back into his starting line-up despite the player’s own declaration that he is “good to go”.”

Orchideam
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“So Klopp won't be rushing Sturridge back.

Defeats all the idiots who claim Sturridge is a waste of space and doesn't want to play.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...klopp-10656915”

Klopp will do the right thing - in his best words "for sure".

On to something else. How come we don't play till Wednesday night, when West Ham, who is up next, plays today and gets 2 extra days to prepare for us? Is there a logical reason, or is this another of those dammed TV schedule cockups?

If it is the latter, I really do think their 'control' of our game needs to be looked into by the FA. Not just us either, other teams have this anomaly at times too.
TheMunch
28-12-2015
Brentford have extended Sergi Canos' loan after impressing for the first half of the season.
1manonthebog
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Klopp will do the right thing - in his best words "for sure".

On to something else. How come we don't play till Wednesday night, when West Ham, who is up next, plays today and gets 2 extra days to prepare for us? Is there a logical reason, or is this another of those dammed TV schedule cockups?

If it is the latter, I really do think their 'control' of our game needs to be looked into by the FA. Not just us either, other teams have this anomaly at times too.”

I would say its all to do with TV Schedules.
TheMunch
28-12-2015
Quote:
“Speaking about the clean sheet after the game, Klopp said: “Yeah, it was very, very important for us because both the centre halves were injured.

“Dejan trained this week with the team for the first time, it was not that long an injury but he was out two weeks.

“And yeah, you saw Mama (Sakho) before the injury, then last week and today, it’s difficult to come in. Nobody’s waiting for you, you have to be prepared from the first second, there’s no time to come in easy, but they did really good.

“I said both played one of these passes - I said ‘If you want to kill me, take a knife, don’t play these passes, you don’t have to’.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...-just-10656995

Would be nice to see if we could get a Lovren/Sakho partnership at the back. Lovren's a right-footed player, he should be able to play at right centre-back, and he showed he can against Leicester so hopefully he can play with Sakho more often, and gives us another option at right centre-back, making us less reliant on Skrtel.
TheMunch
28-12-2015
Klopp confirms no Origi, Milner, Skrtel, Sturridge or Flanagan, but Ibe is fit to return.
taurus_67
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Klopp will do the right thing - in his best words "for sure".

On to something else. How come we don't play till Wednesday night, when West Ham, who is up next, plays today and gets 2 extra days to prepare for us? Is there a logical reason, or is this another of those dammed TV schedule cockups?

If it is the latter, I really do think their 'control' of our game needs to be looked into by the FA. Not just us either, other teams have this anomaly at times too.”

Yes, it's down to TV; essentially Sky. We are, in effect, the Monday night football game for this round of fixtures.
TheSloth
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Brentford have extended Sergi Canos' loan after impressing for the first half of the season.”

And he's just scored his third goal of the season for them
TheMunch
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“And he's just scored his third goal of the season for them”

And what a goal it was!

https://twitter.com/anfieldnation/st...14483601260544
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