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Old 17-01-2016, 20:42
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to be fair DG wouldn't have saved Rooney shot either, it had more behind than any of our shots and was 6 yards out, despite that Mignonlet got a hand to it.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he would have saved it had roles been reversed, he's got that in his locker for sure.

I really don't mean to scapegoat Migs as losing this match was not his fault but each game we look at the shots on target of the opposition and goals scored and it's never good reading. Arsenal had 4 on target and scored 3, Man United have 1 and score it.

Carra was straight to the point about Mignolet pre-match and whilst a little "ouch" when hearing it he's probably right.

Sturridge will be running out of suits to wear if he spends much more time watching from his lofty perch! Could have done with him in his kit today!
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Old 17-01-2016, 21:22
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I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he would have saved it had roles been reversed, he's got that in his locker for sure.

I really don't mean to scapegoat Migs as losing this match was not his fault but each game we look at the shots on target of the opposition and goals scored and it's never good reading. Arsenal had 4 on target and scored 3, Man United have 1 and score it.
Carra was straight to the point about Mignolet pre-match and whilst a little "ouch" when hearing it he's probably right.

Sturridge will be running out of suits to wear if he spends much more time watching from his lofty perch! Could have done with him in his kit today!
Again shot stooping something like that is Migs strong point and in that respect he is probably on a par with DG.
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Old 17-01-2016, 21:49
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[quote=Parthenon;81130086]De Gea made saves you'd expect any PL keeper to. Not sure why people are making out he won United the game. Not every team has a keeper that regularly costs their team points e.g. Mignolet.

Exactly. I tried to say this in the neutral thread, but certain United fans are so sensitive and they get very upset if you tell them that a normal save isn't world class
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Old 17-01-2016, 22:20
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Exactly. I tried to say this in the neutral thread, but certain United fans are so sensitive and they get very upset if you tell them that a normal save isn't world class
Haha, the hatred is strong in this one. This is the third thread you've decided to whine about this. Keep it up, son.
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Old 17-01-2016, 22:52
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May I just ask for which position did you guys sign (or bring in on loan) Caulker to play in, as I thought he was a centre-back, yet he has yet to play there in his appearances so far hasn't he??
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Old 17-01-2016, 22:57
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May I just ask for which position did you guys sign (or bring in on loan) Caulker to play in, as I thought he was a centre-back, yet he has yet to play there in his appearances so far hasn't he??
Shows how little faith we have in Benteke.

Unfortunately for you though, I would think he will revert to centre back on Wednesday...
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Old 17-01-2016, 23:10
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May I just ask for which position did you guys sign (or bring in on loan) Caulker to play in, as I thought he was a centre-back, yet he has yet to play there in his appearances so far hasn't he??
Yes he is a CB and I am sure will be used there at some stage but V AFC and today we were behind and so needed a late goal. He is seen as good in the air so as a last resort JK sent him on to go up front for 5 minutes at most to see if he could use his height and have an influence there - that's how I see it anyway.
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Old 17-01-2016, 23:51
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Why did Klopp not play Benteke? Smalling and Blind are poor but you didn't even test them, Adam Lallana is barely a midfielder never mind a forward, so average.
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Old 18-01-2016, 13:07
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Why did Klopp not play Benteke? Smalling and Blind are poor but you didn't even test them, Adam Lallana is barely a midfielder never mind a forward, so average.
Probably because it was obvious that United were going to have lots of possession (they have the highest average in the PL) and Benteke doesn't press well enough. Klopp needed players who were going to run.
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Old 18-01-2016, 13:13
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May I just ask for which position did you guys sign (or bring in on loan) Caulker to play in, as I thought he was a centre-back, yet he has yet to play there in his appearances so far hasn't he??
Not actually correct. Once we equalised v Arsenal he went to CB (for all of the 2 seconds remaining).
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Old 18-01-2016, 13:37
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Interesting article

http://tomkinstimes.com/2016/01/klop...ol-squad-ever/
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Old 18-01-2016, 13:49
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It's time to be hard-nosed and accept we can't either (a) rely on Sturridge suddenly becoming fit and robust and (b) that the B in Plan B stands for Benteke when it comes to Klopp's system and ethics. Ings' and Origi's injuries add to the urgency and no way is Firmino a Number 9 in any system whatever Klopp says. We need to find a waspish, greedy, potent striker NOW before the lack of goals kills our season. For yesterday's starting XI to have a total of just SIX league goals between them is scary in the extreme, so I can only assume given all of the above we WILL act in January in the striking department.
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Old 18-01-2016, 14:01
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It's time to be hard-nosed and accept we can't either (a) rely on Sturridge suddenly becoming fit and robust and (b) that the B in Plan B stands for Benteke when it comes to Klopp's system and ethics. Ings' and Origi's injuries add to the urgency and no way is Firmino a Number 9 in any system whatever Klopp says. We need to find a waspish, greedy, potent striker NOW before the lack of goals kills our season. For yesterday's starting XI to have a total of just SIX league goals between them is scary in the extreme, so I can only assume given all of the above we WILL act in January in the striking department.
If only it was that simple.
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Old 18-01-2016, 15:07
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A lot of reading, but a very well written and honest appraisal of what is wrong with us at the moment. If any LFC fan hasn't yet read this, they really should, and so should Klopp!

Maybe it was something in Rodgers being a shortarse that so many of our players are too, a complex where he had to be able to look down on players? - but it really is killing us a lot of the time.

Klopp being a six footer + should be out now looking for class acts that he can look up to, we really need some height and muscle. The number of times that United players just pushed us off the ball yesterday was a real embarrassment, we have to stand firmer and give a lot of that back to teams.

I honestly don't know what will be done regarding Sturridge, we aren't doctors, we really can't judge him, and we have to leave those decisions to the club.
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Old 18-01-2016, 16:34
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If only it was that simple.
I didn't say it was simple. Some evidence of aggressive intent would be good but hoping we're pulling out all the stops behind the scenes. Doesn't have to be for the long term. If Klopp doesn't want to play Benteke, he needs to find a more conventional option than Firmino or we're totally reliant on the unlikely event that Sturridge will get fit and stay fit.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:12
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Thanks for that one, it was a great read and must have taken a lot of work putting it together. It definitely tells a story and makes a valid point worth taking note of. Quite how the FSG inspired, stat-mad, transfer committee have missed all of it is actually a little concerning. It certainly seems our opponents haven't been slow to pick it up.


BR was maybe just a little too taken with Barcelona's way of playing ( tikka-takka passing, false #9's...etc.. ) for his own -and our own- good. Pep's Barca were almost unique because of the number of incredibly talented players they had; they are not easy to copy and certainly not on the cheap.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:18
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It's time to be hard-nosed and accept we can't either (a) rely on Sturridge suddenly becoming fit and robust and (b) that the B in Plan B stands for Benteke when it comes to Klopp's system and ethics. Ings' and Origi's injuries add to the urgency and no way is Firmino a Number 9 in any system whatever Klopp says. We need to find a waspish, greedy, potent striker NOW before the lack of goals kills our season. For yesterday's starting XI to have a total of just SIX league goals between them is scary in the extreme, so I can only assume given all of the above we WILL act in January in the striking department.
We don't really want to be wasting money in a January window though. £8m for Shane Long as a short term answer is not great value for instance. But that's the January window: not much availability and what there is could be expensive.
There's maybe more chance of Balotelli coming back than another top quality striker being signed at the moment.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:27
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Migniolet signs a new 5 year contract. Who ever thought this was a good idea?
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:35
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Migniolet signs a new 5 year contract. Who ever thought this was a good idea?
Terrible decision. If he is indeed to be our number 1, our only hope is to build a stellar defence in front of hIm so he has less work to do. But that is unlikely, this club can be so incredibly stupid.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:40
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We don't really want to be wasting money in a January window though. £8m for Shane Long as a short term answer is not great value for instance. But that's the January window: not much availability and what there is could be expensive.
There's maybe more chance of Balotelli coming back than another top quality striker being signed at the moment.
A £10m striker could be the difference between Top 4 and not, however unlikely that seems right now. How much is even the difference between 5th and 8th financially? If Bournemouth can take a punt on Afobe, we can do similar. Doing nothing with one fit striker who the manager doesn't fancy is frankly unacceptable and a false economy. Tie only other option is to give Sinclair a fair shot at it. I'd rather try that than allow Mario an undeserved second chance.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:46
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Terrible decision. If he is indeed to be our number 1, our only hope is to build a stellar defence in front of hIm so he has less work to do. But that is unlikely, this club can be so incredibly stupid.
Maybe we're optimizing our fee if we sell - Ward may relegate him to a bench warmer eventually. He's not a terrible keeper but so needs a man mountain in front of him to help him in the air.
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Old 18-01-2016, 17:57
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Terrible decision. If he is indeed to be our number 1, our only hope is to build a stellar defence in front of hIm so he has less work to do. But that is unlikely, this club can be so incredibly stupid.
I don't understand why we aren't getting rid of him, Rodgers loved him and Klopp seems to be the same, Reina was a better keeper and got the middle finger, what are Klopp etc seeing that we are not?
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Old 18-01-2016, 18:06
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Migniolet signs a new 5 year contract. Who ever thought this was a good idea?
Thankfully as we all know the word "Contract", doesn't mean sod all in this day of age with Football. Also there is nothing wrong with getting rid of Bogdan and getting in a decent keeper, then if Migs doesn't play well, bench him for the better keeper. Just because he is No 1 keeper, doesn't mean we have to use him as No 1 keeper.
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Old 18-01-2016, 18:08
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I don't understand why we aren't getting rid of him, Rodgers loved him and Klopp seems to be the same, Reina was a better keeper and got the middle finger, what are Klopp etc seeing that we are not?
If the budget is tight then there is more important positions to fill then a new GK. Personally can't see a new keeper coming in.

Giving mignolet a new 5 year deal which would come with a pay increase to then sign a new number 1 a few months later would be silly and bad business.

Looks like klopp is a fan.

As for reina, simple fact is he was on huge money. £100,000+ per week which for a GK is pretty crazy.

Club was never gonna keep him on that kind of money.
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Old 18-01-2016, 18:18
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I don't understand why we aren't getting rid of him, Rodgers loved him and Klopp seems to be the same, Reina was a better keeper and got the middle finger, what are Klopp etc seeing that we are not?
Maybe the most clean sheets last year has something to do with it. Statistically a shakey defence and a shakey goalie shouldn't be able to achieve that.
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