Rodgers probably would've played Delli Alie in defence or goal if we had signed him

I can't think of many players who significantly improved under him as manager.Suarez was already top class under Kenny for his first 18months at LFC (Apart from his first ban) and continued when BR took over.

Well with two minutes of minimum added stoppage time remaining, and our amazing ability to score goals, it wasn't such an outrageous thought.

A good weekend considering

This is disgusting

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...pears-10782312

yeah cause Jordan Henderson never became a better player under Rodgers did he. Also suarez did become a better player under rodgers.

if you think Luis was the same level before BR then you have some very selective memory.

Now tell me of the many players who improved under kenny's 2nd spell in management when at liverpool?

We could be getting Alex Teixeira from Shakhtar Donetsk as he said he want to come to Liverpool in the January window I think we should get him as he has got a brilliant scoring record in Ukraine

This. I don't like the BR hate as so much of it is unfounded - his mistake was coming so damn close unexpectedly, Suarez leaving, Sturridge getting injured and the cursed committee foisting Mario on him. He made mistakes but no worse than others in recent history. Klopp's an upgrade but BR left the club in better shape than when he arrived in my personal opinion and I thank him for that.

You seem to have misinterpreted my post as a Dalglish v Rodgers argument.
Suarez was already a top player when at Ajax,he'd have improved to his full potential at any club. Both Dalglish and Rodgers failed to get him to control his shocking ill discipline.Henderson, like a number of others put in a hell of a season in 2013/14 but seemed to regress badly last year.He's shown flashes of good form under Klopp but has yet to reach the heights of two years ago.

Fair points but he remained extremely naive in terms of tactical awareness and defensive organisation throughout his time in charge.Rarely seemed to learn from his mistakes and repeated them time and again with selection and use of substitutes when games got away from us.

BR replaced Carroll, Adam and Downing with Sturridge, Coutinhno and Sterling in the starting XI and changed our style. This massively contributed to Suarez's output increase.

I see what you did there. Instead of admitting Suarez became a better player under BR you just speculate that he would have reached the same level under KD.

Like the way you never admitted Henderson became a better player under BR either. Henderson was shocking under KD by the way.

It's a pointless argument to be honest as any player who did become better your just gonna say they would have done under KD also.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...xeira-10782317

Deal no closer..

Nonsense, I said Suarez would've developed his potential under any decent or half decent manager, Rodgers included in the latter group for me. Kenny's second spell in charge was hardly a roaring success either.
Henderson also regressed under Rodgers last season.You can't just give BR praise for getting something out of him two seasons ago.You could say he rode on the coat tails of Suarez,Gerrard,Sturridge and Sterling in that season we finished 2nd. Then went missing last season with Suarez gone,Sturridge injured, plus Gerrard and Sterling looking to leave.

I firmly believe Rodgers blagged his way into the LFC job. He was a flavour of the month appointment after exceeding expectations with Swansea City in their first PL season.Looking back, the Liverpool job was too big for him and we all know how American owners like our own can fall for charismatic management speak.

The football we played in his second season was some of the finest I can remember seeing from an LFC side but ultimately we ended trophyless. He had a big advantage that campaign with no European football and us going out of the domestic cups early on.

original point was that you said no players improved under BR.

did Henderson a better player under BR. Yes or No?

did suarez become a better player under BR. Yes or No?

Hilarious. The team didn't play well as a whole last season, largely a hangover from the disappoint of the near-miss the season before and an inability to score enough goals due to circumstances beyond BR's control. Sterling's antics added to the mix. Henderson, however, at least had his best league goals return - hardly regression.

Stop moving the goalposts to suit. Yes, we know you didn't like BR but at least back that up with something plausible.

Just as a matter of interest, by the time we face Leicester in the EPL we will have played 2 further matches to their nil. Did a check, and by the end of this month we will have played 37 matches already this season, with a minimum (should we not proceed in any of the cups) of 17 from Feb to play - making a minimum of 53 matches this season.

I'm not complaining, if you proceed that far, that's what you have to do. Man City is the only other team in this position this season, it would be interesting to compare squad size and injuries to ours, there are no other teams in Europe play as many matches as we do in England.

Chris from RedmenTV mentioned a stat (can't find it) saying we're the most overworked side in the Premier League, with the lowest average rest between games.


Empire of the Kop just posted this:


Yeah what a flop he is!

I must admit to understanding why Klopp was mortified at how many matches, and how few actual breaks there are in English football - small wonder so many players get broken.

That's fine, let everyone think Firmino's a flop, I think he's really starting to show his worth now - and long may it last. When Coutinho come's back in they should make a lethal duo!

Will get shot down for this but for me this is why if we don't finish top 4 then I would rather miss out on EL.

It's tough fighting on all fronts and EL is the competition I could do without next year.

We would benefit without it.

Yes, but the chance of winning the EL is our way into the CL next season - it's a bit of a double edged sword. Depends how we do in the next round, if we do well, we have to go all out for that and just keep out of the relegations in the PL. That's my thoughts anyway.

I feel a bit yawn yawn concerning the debate above in terms of Kenny V BR. I feel the same way about the Evra racism stuff - basically it happened n the past and discussing it and maybe falling out about it is not worth it.

I think most know where my own sympathies lie on both matters but I am not here to defend them, I am here to say that neither Kenny or Brendan are our manager now so we have to look forward not back.

I am not exactly thrilled with where we are as a club right now in that for me none of the current squad would be in a best LFC eleven since 2000 team altho some show promise that they may one day be consistently at the required level - that's the key word consistently, none of this good one match rubbish the next or good one half and rubbish the other which we are seeing so often.

The big thing which I do like about LFC now is JK being the manager and the knowledge that so far all he has done is look at the squad and assess them as well as learn about the club, the fans and the game in England. After the summer we will be in a far better position I hope with better JK chosen players and him having the chance to have a pre season with us. My only worry about him is his judgment over the goalkeeper position with the 5 year Mig deal - as a better keeper to me is a must - lets hope he sees Mig simply as a good back up (which I would be OK with)

What of the rest of this season? - hard to see us making top 4 looking at the table now but you never know and we will never give in but we are still in all the 3 cups we entered so lets hope we win one of them - we the ability to. This week is a big week with 2 big cup games coming up

Firmino needed to adjust to the pace and physicality of the league - I still don't like him to carry the burden of goal scoring but as long as the midfield continue to chip in it's OK. I see Milner's racking up the assists for us to - another flop in some fans' eyes. I had to laugh at the poster who stated Henderson had not done well under Klopp too - due to his injury, he's only played a handful of times and is not match fit yet.

A quicksilve true Number 9 would transform our potency - but I'd happily take Teixeira to further bolster our attacking midfield goals output - agreed personal terms with us according to his club (we'll see...)

What's interesting about Firmino is that all 5 of his goals and 4 of his 6 assists have come while playing as our main striker, and he's only played there in a fraction of all his appearances for us.

Whether he's the man for that role long term or not is up for debate, but he's definitely played better and been more productive there than anywhere else.

As much as I want to get excited over Alex Teixeira I know I can't. He would potentially bring exactly what we're missing from our midfield i.e. goals and pace, but Shakhtar tend to get what they want for their players (Fernandinho, Mkhitaryan, Willian, Costa) and so why we're trying to lowball them is beyond me.

Just watched the latest press conference, Klopp's wit strikes again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8eRmTfBi8Y

We need at least a draw against Stoke to get through to the final. Stoke haven't beaten us at Anfield since 1959 (57 years ago)

Anyone else fearing for their lives? After I heard the 57 years thing I am!