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Rodgers probably would've played Delli Alie in defence or goal if we had signed him
![]() I can't think of many players who significantly improved under him as manager.Suarez was already top class under Kenny for his first 18months at LFC (Apart from his first ban) and continued when BR took over. |
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I was pretty convinced it was going to end at 4-4.
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A good weekend considering
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Rodgers probably would've played Delli Alie in defence or goal if we had signed him
![]() I can't think of many players who significantly improved under him as manager.Suarez was already top class under Kenny for his first 18months at LFC (Apart from his first ban) and continued when BR took over. if you think Luis was the same level before BR then you have some very selective memory. Now tell me of the many players who improved under kenny's 2nd spell in management when at liverpool? |
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We could be getting Alex Teixeira from Shakhtar Donetsk as he said he want to come to Liverpool in the January window I think we should get him as he has got a brilliant scoring record in Ukraine
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yeah cause Jordan Henderson never became a better player under Rodgers did he. Also suarez did become a better player under rodgers.
if you think Luis was the same level before BR then you have some very selective memory. Now tell me of the many players who improved under kenny's 2nd spell in management when at liverpool? |
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yeah cause Jordan Henderson never became a better player under Rodgers did he. Also suarez did become a better player under rodgers.
if you think Luis was the same level before BR then you have some very selective memory. Now tell me of the many players who improved under kenny's 2nd spell in management when at liverpool? Suarez was already a top player when at Ajax,he'd have improved to his full potential at any club. Both Dalglish and Rodgers failed to get him to control his shocking ill discipline.Henderson, like a number of others put in a hell of a season in 2013/14 but seemed to regress badly last year.He's shown flashes of good form under Klopp but has yet to reach the heights of two years ago. |
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This. I don't like the BR hate as so much of it is unfounded - his mistake was coming so damn close unexpectedly, Suarez leaving, Sturridge getting injured and the cursed committee foisting Mario on him. He made mistakes but no worse than others in recent history. Klopp's an upgrade but BR left the club in better shape than when he arrived in my personal opinion and I thank him for that.
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You seem to have misinterpreted my post as a Dalglish v Rodgers argument.
Suarez was already a top player when at Ajax,he'd have improved to his full potential at any club. Both Dalglish and Rodgers failed to get him to control his shocking ill discipline.Henderson, like a number of others put in a hell of a season in 2013/14 but seemed to regress badly last year.He's shown flashes of good form under Klopp but has yet to reach the heights of two years ago. |
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You seem to have misinterpreted my post as a Dalglish v Rodgers argument.
Suarez was already a top player when at Ajax,he'd have improved to his full potential at any club. Both Dalglish and Rodgers failed to get him to control his shocking ill discipline.Henderson, like a number of others put in a hell of a season in 2013/14 but seemed to regress badly last year.He's shown flashes of good form under Klopp but has yet to reach the heights of two years ago. Like the way you never admitted Henderson became a better player under BR either. Henderson was shocking under KD by the way. It's a pointless argument to be honest as any player who did become better your just gonna say they would have done under KD also. |
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I see what you did there. Instead of admitting Suarez became a better player under BR you just speculate that he would have reached the same level under KD.
Like the way you never admitted Henderson became a better player under BR either. Henderson was shocking under KD by the way. It's a pointless argument to be honest as any player who did become better your just gonna say they would have done under KD also. Henderson also regressed under Rodgers last season.You can't just give BR praise for getting something out of him two seasons ago.You could say he rode on the coat tails of Suarez,Gerrard,Sturridge and Sterling in that season we finished 2nd. Then went missing last season with Suarez gone,Sturridge injured, plus Gerrard and Sterling looking to leave. I firmly believe Rodgers blagged his way into the LFC job. He was a flavour of the month appointment after exceeding expectations with Swansea City in their first PL season.Looking back, the Liverpool job was too big for him and we all know how American owners like our own can fall for charismatic management speak. The football we played in his second season was some of the finest I can remember seeing from an LFC side but ultimately we ended trophyless. He had a big advantage that campaign with no European football and us going out of the domestic cups early on. |
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Nonsense, I said Suarez would've developed his potential under any decent or half decent manager, Rodgers included in the latter group for me. Kenny's second spell in charge was hardly a roaring success either.
Henderson also regressed under Rodgers last season.You can't just give BR praise for getting something out of him two seasons ago.You could say he rode on the coat tails of Suarez,Gerrard,Sturridge and Sterling in that season we finished 2nd. Then went missing last season with Suarez gone,Sturridge injured, plus Gerrard and Sterling looking to leave. I firmly believe Rodgers blagged his way into the LFC job. He was a flavour of the month appointment after exceeding expectations with Swansea City in their first PL season.Looking back, the Liverpool job was too big for him and we all know how American owners like our own can fall for charismatic management speak. The football we played in his second season was some of the finest I can remember seeing from an LFC side but ultimately we ended trophyless. He had a big advantage that campaign with no European football and us going out of the domestic cups early on. did Henderson a better player under BR. Yes or No? did suarez become a better player under BR. Yes or No? |
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Nonsense, I said Suarez would've developed his potential under any decent or half decent manager, Rodgers included in the latter group for me. Kenny's second spell in charge was hardly a roaring success either.
Henderson also regressed under Rodgers last season.You can't just give BR praise for getting something out of him two seasons ago.You could say he rode on the coat tails of Suarez,Gerrard,Sturridge and Sterling in that season we finished 2nd. Then went missing last season with Suarez gone,Sturridge injured, plus Gerrard and Sterling looking to leave. I firmly believe Rodgers blagged his way into the LFC job. He was a flavour of the month appointment after exceeding expectations with Swansea City in their first PL season.Looking back, the Liverpool job was too big for him and we all know how American owners like our own can fall for charismatic management speak. The football we played in his second season was some of the finest I can remember seeing from an LFC side but ultimately we ended trophyless. He had a big advantage that campaign with no European football and us going out of the domestic cups early on. Stop moving the goalposts to suit. Yes, we know you didn't like BR but at least back that up with something plausible. |
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Just as a matter of interest, by the time we face Leicester in the EPL we will have played 2 further matches to their nil. Did a check, and by the end of this month we will have played 37 matches already this season, with a minimum (should we not proceed in any of the cups) of 17 from Feb to play - making a minimum of 53 matches this season.
I'm not complaining, if you proceed that far, that's what you have to do. Man City is the only other team in this position this season, it would be interesting to compare squad size and injuries to ours, there are no other teams in Europe play as many matches as we do in England. |
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Chris from RedmenTV mentioned a stat (can't find it) saying we're the most overworked side in the Premier League, with the lowest average rest between games. Empire of the Kop just posted this: Quote:
'Flop' Firmino level on PL goals with Martial and De Bruyne. More than Depay, Ozil & Hazard. More assists than Fabregas, Sterling & Rooney.
Yeah what a flop he is!
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Chris from RedmenTV mentioned a stat (can't find it) saying we're the most overworked side in the Premier League, with the lowest average rest between games.
Empire of the Kop just posted this: Yeah what a flop he is! That's fine, let everyone think Firmino's a flop, I think he's really starting to show his worth now - and long may it last. When Coutinho come's back in they should make a lethal duo! |
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Just as a matter of interest, by the time we face Leicester in the EPL we will have played 2 further matches to their nil. Did a check, and by the end of this month we will have played 37 matches already this season, with a minimum (should we not proceed in any of the cups) of 17 from Feb to play - making a minimum of 53 matches this season.
I'm not complaining, if you proceed that far, that's what you have to do. Man City is the only other team in this position this season, it would be interesting to compare squad size and injuries to ours, there are no other teams in Europe play as many matches as we do in England. It's tough fighting on all fronts and EL is the competition I could do without next year. We would benefit without it. |
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Will get shot down for this but for me this is why if we don't finish top 4 then I would rather miss out on EL.
It's tough fighting on all fronts and EL is the competition I could do without next year. We would benefit without it. |
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I feel a bit yawn yawn concerning the debate above in terms of Kenny V BR. I feel the same way about the Evra racism stuff - basically it happened n the past and discussing it and maybe falling out about it is not worth it.
I think most know where my own sympathies lie on both matters but I am not here to defend them, I am here to say that neither Kenny or Brendan are our manager now so we have to look forward not back. I am not exactly thrilled with where we are as a club right now in that for me none of the current squad would be in a best LFC eleven since 2000 team altho some show promise that they may one day be consistently at the required level - that's the key word consistently, none of this good one match rubbish the next or good one half and rubbish the other which we are seeing so often. The big thing which I do like about LFC now is JK being the manager and the knowledge that so far all he has done is look at the squad and assess them as well as learn about the club, the fans and the game in England. After the summer we will be in a far better position I hope with better JK chosen players and him having the chance to have a pre season with us. My only worry about him is his judgment over the goalkeeper position with the 5 year Mig deal - as a better keeper to me is a must - lets hope he sees Mig simply as a good back up (which I would be OK with) What of the rest of this season? - hard to see us making top 4 looking at the table now but you never know and we will never give in but we are still in all the 3 cups we entered so lets hope we win one of them - we the ability to. This week is a big week with 2 big cup games coming up |
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I must admit to understanding why Klopp was mortified at how many matches, and how few actual breaks there are in English football - small wonder so many players get broken.
That's fine, let everyone think Firmino's a flop, I think he's really starting to show his worth now - and long may it last. When Coutinho come's back in they should make a lethal duo! A quicksilve true Number 9 would transform our potency - but I'd happily take Teixeira to further bolster our attacking midfield goals output - agreed personal terms with us according to his club (we'll see...) |
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What's interesting about Firmino is that all 5 of his goals and 4 of his 6 assists have come while playing as our main striker, and he's only played there in a fraction of all his appearances for us.
Whether he's the man for that role long term or not is up for debate, but he's definitely played better and been more productive there than anywhere else. As much as I want to get excited over Alex Teixeira I know I can't. He would potentially bring exactly what we're missing from our midfield i.e. goals and pace, but Shakhtar tend to get what they want for their players (Fernandinho, Mkhitaryan, Willian, Costa) and so why we're trying to lowball them is beyond me. |
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Just watched the latest press conference, Klopp's wit strikes again.
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We need at least a draw against Stoke to get through to the final. Stoke haven't beaten us at Anfield since 1959 (57 years ago)
Anyone else fearing for their lives? After I heard the 57 years thing I am! |
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