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Johnson wasn't performing at a level that justified keeping him, especially given his age and salary. Riise lost his mojo in a similar way. Even after a few games, Gomez showed great potential whilst offering more. Fans don't target players for no reason - Johnson became sloppy and seemed to play half asleep at times in terms of his sharpness. Having defended him for Liverpool and Englamd over several years, I no longer saw the qualities that had informed my opinion in his last season or so.
He may have pre-empted the liklihood that he was not in the club's plans for the reasons of age/salary and this may have adversely affected his form. Like Reina, Riise, Kuyt and even Gerrard, it's a question of whether it's acceptable to see a notable dip in performance for the sake of loyalty and the vain hope they may somehow regain former glories. Sometimes it's their legs, sometimes it's their head but almost always it's irreversable - and the club has a duty to think about the bigger picture. In all these cases, on-field displays did not justify a first team place and I suspect all of them wanted that and, if not, the club had to consider whether their salary justified their degraded squad status. |
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Johnson wasn't performing at a level that justified keeping him, especially given his age and salary. Riise lost his mojo in a similar way. Even after a few games, Gomez showed great potential whilst offering more. Fans don't target players for no reason - Johnson became sloppy and seemed to play half asleep at times in terms of his sharpness. Having defended him for Liverpool and Englamd over several years, I no longer saw the qualities that had informed my opinion in his last season or so.
He may have pre-empted the liklihood that he was not in the club's plans for the reasons of age/salary and this may have adversely affected his form. Like Reina, Riise, Kuyt and even Gerrard, it's a question of whether it's acceptable to see a notable dip in performance for the sake of loyalty and the vain hope they may somehow regain former glories. Sometimes it's their legs, sometimes it's their head but almost always it's irreversable - and the club has a duty to think about the bigger picture. In all these cases, on-field displays did not justify a first team place and I suspect all of them wanted that and, if not, the club had to consider whether their salary justified their degraded squad status. Disappointed Felliani hasn't received a ban for his elbow, not from a football point of view just because of a "it should have happened" point of view. |
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Disappointed Felliani hasn't received a ban for his elbow, not from a football point of viw just because of a "it should have happened" point of view.
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Most Man Utd fans are disappointed too. Id happily start a campaign to see him banned for the rest of the season...
(I wonder how that campaign went for him actually?) Although are you sure you are not looking at it from a "footballing" point of view only
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I'd say there is a case to be made that all of those mentioned were let go of too soon, maybe Stevie G being the exception.
Disappointed Felliani hasn't received a ban for his elbow, not from a football point of view just because of a "it should have happened" point of view. |
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Ian Ayre will be leaving his role at the end of his current contract - in May 2017.
I'm quite happy about this. Time for some new blood in the role; I can't help but feel Ayre has been poor in that position for some time now. Link |
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Probably not helped by the recent ticket increase saga - yes the club backtracked but that must have made him even more unpopular with the fans?
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Probably not helped by the recent ticket increase saga - yes the club backtracked but that must have made him even more unpopular with the fans?
I'm not sure what Ayre's remit is but I fail to believe his not good at his job. If he was really that bad he would of been found out ages ago. |
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Probably not helped by the recent ticket increase saga - yes the club backtracked but that must have made him even more unpopular with the fans?
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FSG have already said they asked him to stay. He hasn't been pushed and seemed he told them he wanted to leave a few months ago.
I'm not sure what Ayre's remit is but I fail to believe his not good at his job. If he was really that bad he would of been found out ages ago. |
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FSG have already said they asked him to stay. He hasn't been pushed and seemed he told them he wanted to leave a few months ago.
I'm not sure what Ayre's remit is but I fail to believe his not good at his job. If he was really that bad he would of been found out ages ago. |
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I agree. Perhaps he's not been the greatest at negotiating transfers (although I have absolutely no idea whether he's to blame for our failures in the market), but in terms of growing the club's revenue streams it's very difficult to fault him. In the last few years we have actually gained ground on Chelsea, City and Arsenal despite no regular CL football whereas they are in it every season.
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How many times have we missed out on players that looked all but signed on the dotted line? This is Ayre's job to negotiate and get deals across the line. In recent seasons he's failed on numerous occasions. He has to take his fair share of the blame seeing as he's the day-to-day CEO at the club. It's a high-level role that requires somebody with clout.
As for signing players Ayre works withing the boundaries set by FSG. I take it with the blame you also will praise him then for the players signed? |
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As I said if Ayre is so bad how did he survive long? FSG are idiots I take it who just employ bad people?
As for signing players Ayre works withing the boundaries set by FSG. I take it with the blame you also will praise him then for the players signed? He has survived so long in the role because, like FSG, he has no real clue how football works and is more businessman than forward-thinking game changer. We need a person in the role with the balls to follow up when he knows a good player when he sees one and somebody who isn't afraid to negotiate and get a deal over the line for the benefit of the club. |
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Why are you always so tediously argumentative? Do FSG sit in the room negotiating with him or fly abroad with him when he's sent to get a deal over the line? No, that's what they pay Ayre £1.2m a year to do.
He has survived so long in the role because, like FSG, he has no real clue how football works and is more businessman than forward-thinking game changer. We need a person in the role with the balls to follow up when he knows a good player when he sees one and somebody who isn't afraid to negotiate and get a deal over the line for the benefit of the club. Makes total sense now. |
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So in reality you don't have any idea what he does other than negotiate transfers which apparently his so bad at but continues to make a great living from it.
Makes total sense now. I'm guessing you have no idea what a CEO does? |
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What on earth are you on about now?
I'm guessing you have no idea what a CEO does? The only thing you have mentioned in regard to his job is transfers which well I'm sorry I don't think is all a CEO does. |
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I remember years ago being rather annoyed by Parry, Ayre is fine in comparison I think. It's hard to tell where blame lies because of this awful transfer committee.
Ayre has done good things at times. |
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I never jumped on that ridiculous bandwagon of get Ian Ayre out of the club as he is the person to blame when Liverpool miss out on targets.
Them same people never gave him credit for the players we did sign. FSG wanted to keep him and I back there judgement on this. |
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It has been confirmed that the World's cup worst referee Milorad Mazic will be in charge of our second leg fixture on Thursday.
![]() http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...econd-11042222 Here's hoping that this doesn't get too messy for us. |
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Newcastle fan coming in peace.
I expect I'll visit again when we come to Anfield. I have to ask about Rafa! I'm delighted we've secured him even if it's just for 10 games and he can't keep us up. What do you think he can bring to Newcastle? Positives? Negatives? ![]() I hope so as I would rather lose Sunderland than Newcastle from the Premier League. I'm not a fan of Allardyce so it would be fun to see him relegated. ![]() Good luck to the Magpies. |
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It has been confirmed that the World's cup worst referee Milorad Mazic will be in charge of our second leg fixture on Thursday.
![]() http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...econd-11042222 Here's hoping that this doesn't get too messy for us. |
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Disappointed Felliani hasn't received a ban for his elbow, not from a football point of view just because of a "it should have happened" point of view.
Not punishing MUFC for the chants too? - that was maybe more understandable as what can MUFC really do to stop it? Punishing a club for their fans behaviour away from home I think is bit dodgy but the thing is tho that EUFA have done that before I think so there is some precedent. I just hope that our 'fans' do not retaliate and behave as badly at OT on Thursday - I have seen much on LFC sites asking for restraint but you cannot legislate for a few idiots and for sure LFC like all clubs have some idiot fans. I fear the atmosphere will be poisonous on Thursday. MUFCs official words after last week were welcome in condemning the chants but I would have liked to have seen a direct apology to LFC and the families of the 96 which as far as I can see did not happen. Quote:
I'm not sure the problem is they were let go too soon, I think that unfortunately, the replacements were just not good enough.
I know we have not fully agreed on Glen and Clyne but that discussion has been done to death now and I am not going there again but I do certainly agree that Pepe, JAR, Dirk and Glen had all dipped in their form at the end of their LFC careers so changing them was not in itself a wrong decision. The point that you make is right - none of the replacements were good enough and that in turn made fans question the sales as they recalled when those players were all really good - at their peak - but their peaks were long gone. Quote:
FSG have already said they asked him to stay. He hasn't been pushed and seemed he told them he wanted to leave a few months ago.
I'm not sure what Ayre's remit is but I fail to believe his not good at his job. If he was really that bad he would of been found out ages ago. There is not too much room for sentiment any more and if he had not been like that we would have fallen even further behind. Looking at things like the development of Anfield, pre season tours and merchandise sales we have got so much better under Ayre - and much of that means income which means we can buy better players which means success on the pitch - what we as fans all want above anything else so maybe he was not as bad as he was sometimes made out to be. He was an easy target - and still is - when he does not get players in we have no idea of the constraints being put on him in the negotiations for example Also for all his faults Ian Ayre is a LFC fan who has followed the club all his life so he does know what the club is about and should know how the ordinary LFC fan thinks. Those rejoicing cos he is going maybe should hang fire a bit and be careful what they wish for - I would want a person with a knowledge of football (which Ayre was) to be in that job and if FSG brought an American businessman in it would not sit easy with me. Watch this space I suppose and see what happens. |
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Looks like Jerome Sinclair is off to Watford, having agreed a pre-contract agreement.
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Looks like Jerome Sinclair is off to Watford, having agreed a pre-contract agreement.
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(I wonder how that campaign went for him actually?)

