Lallana's been great recently, and Klopp likes him. Klopp knows a good player when he sees one.
Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 21)
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Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“IM thinking about cream of the cream players, I dont think Adam fits into that category, in 2 years he has done simply ok-ish and Liverpool need better than that, I think he is a good player but not cream of the cream. We want to be challenging for trophies and players like Lallana might win you an FA CUP or a Capital one cup, but certainly not the league or the champions league. IMHO.”
“IM thinking about cream of the cream players, I dont think Adam fits into that category, in 2 years he has done simply ok-ish and Liverpool need better than that, I think he is a good player but not cream of the cream. We want to be challenging for trophies and players like Lallana might win you an FA CUP or a Capital one cup, but certainly not the league or the champions league. IMHO.”
If you are looking at crem de le crem only then I better tell you now that you are in for a disappointing summer.. When you see the money city and Chelsea spend.
The club has never worked in them circles so why you would expect them to start now i don't know.
Klopp will bring in good players on the budget he has.
Also shouldn't Leicester success, Atletico Madrid success show you that you don't need to be buying the crem de le creme to achieve something good.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Maybe but a team called Leicester seem to disprove that theory.”
“Maybe but a team called Leicester seem to disprove that theory.”
tbh leicester have crem de la crem players mahrez and vardy to name the obvious the former who is better than ANY of our midfielders, vastly underrated team.
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“If you are looking at crem de le crem only then I better tell you now that you are in for a disappointing summer.. When you see the money city and Chelsea spend.
The club has never worked in them circles so why you would expect them to start now i don't know.
Klopp will bring in good players on the budget he has.
Also shouldn't Leicester success, Atletico Madrid success show you that you don't need to be buying the crem de le creme to achieve something good.”
“If you are looking at crem de le crem only then I better tell you now that you are in for a disappointing summer.. When you see the money city and Chelsea spend.
The club has never worked in them circles so why you would expect them to start now i don't know.
Klopp will bring in good players on the budget he has.
Also shouldn't Leicester success, Atletico Madrid success show you that you don't need to be buying the crem de le creme to achieve something good.”
yeah we cant compete financially and buy top draw but we have to look hard and try and nurture potential. Its not impossible but it has to be done. Both leicester and athletico have a few simply amazing players, in key areas.
Originally Posted by shaneomax:
“tbh leicester have crem de la crem players mahrez and vardy to name the obvious the former who is better than ANY of our midfielders, vastly underrated team.”
“tbh leicester have crem de la crem players mahrez and vardy to name the obvious the former who is better than ANY of our midfielders, vastly underrated team.”
2/11 at best and then I would argue they are not this so called crem de la crem
Point is when Leicester signed mahrez nobody was saying Leicester have signed a world class player here.
Fans want the big names when the likelihood is we won't be in that market.
If we go out and sign the equivalent of a mahrez for small money I guarantee fans will be on here moaning about signing another no name.
Got to agree - just because Leicester turned several "no-name" players into big name players isn't relevant here and is purely driven by hindsight.
Klopp does like Lallana but I get the impression he's not happy with his mentality (the touchline incident in the Europa final and his subsequent substitution told me that). I think Klopp loves his energy and technique but also wants his tecjnical players to impose themselves on the game and not let their heads drop.
So we just need to find hidden gems or players that just fall below the level that CL clubs are looking at. Some will become CL quality players, some will not. Such players are often better options as they're hungrier and less expensive but the reality is that for every Coutinho you get a Luis Alberto...
We've a few players coming back from long-term injury issues (Ings, Henderson and Gomez) and a few new players coming in (Matip, Karius, Grujic) for next season so not as much to do as it first appears.
Klopp does like Lallana but I get the impression he's not happy with his mentality (the touchline incident in the Europa final and his subsequent substitution told me that). I think Klopp loves his energy and technique but also wants his tecjnical players to impose themselves on the game and not let their heads drop.
So we just need to find hidden gems or players that just fall below the level that CL clubs are looking at. Some will become CL quality players, some will not. Such players are often better options as they're hungrier and less expensive but the reality is that for every Coutinho you get a Luis Alberto...
We've a few players coming back from long-term injury issues (Ings, Henderson and Gomez) and a few new players coming in (Matip, Karius, Grujic) for next season so not as much to do as it first appears.
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“2/11 at best and then I would argue they are not this so called crem de la crem
Point is when Leicester signed mahrez nobody was saying Leicester have signed a world class player here.
Fans want the big names when the likelihood is we won't be in that market.
If we go out and sign the equivalent of a mahrez for small money I guarantee fans will be on here moaning about signing another no name.”
“2/11 at best and then I would argue they are not this so called crem de la crem
Point is when Leicester signed mahrez nobody was saying Leicester have signed a world class player here.
Fans want the big names when the likelihood is we won't be in that market.
If we go out and sign the equivalent of a mahrez for small money I guarantee fans will be on here moaning about signing another no name.”
never said anything about signing a big name, simply said we need to improve on lallana, mahrez is an example of how clever transfers can improve your team. You may not class mahrez and vardy as world class, but i certainly would.
Question for the people here, just on a fact or information level, (I come in peace), how long left does Balotelli have on his Liverpool contract, does it run out this summer, or do you still have him for a bit longer?
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Got to agree - just because Leicester turned several "no-name" players into big name players isn't relevant here and is purely driven by hindsight.
Klopp does like Lallana but I get the impression he's not happy with his mentality (the touchline incident in the Europa final and his subsequent substitution told me that). I think Klopp loves his energy and technique but also wants his tecjnical players to impose themselves on the game and not let their heads drop.
So we just need to find hidden gems or players that just fall below the level that CL clubs are looking at. Some will become CL quality players, some will not. Such players are often better options as they're hungrier and less expensive but the reality is that for every Coutinho you get a Luis Alberto...
We've a few players coming back from long-term injury issues (Ings, Henderson and Gomez) and a few new players coming in (Matip, Karius, Grujic) for next season so not as much to do as it first appears.”
“Got to agree - just because Leicester turned several "no-name" players into big name players isn't relevant here and is purely driven by hindsight.
Klopp does like Lallana but I get the impression he's not happy with his mentality (the touchline incident in the Europa final and his subsequent substitution told me that). I think Klopp loves his energy and technique but also wants his tecjnical players to impose themselves on the game and not let their heads drop.
So we just need to find hidden gems or players that just fall below the level that CL clubs are looking at. Some will become CL quality players, some will not. Such players are often better options as they're hungrier and less expensive but the reality is that for every Coutinho you get a Luis Alberto...
We've a few players coming back from long-term injury issues (Ings, Henderson and Gomez) and a few new players coming in (Matip, Karius, Grujic) for next season so not as much to do as it first appears.”
exactly hidden gems or players we can nuture is what we need though i really thnk we need improvements on lallana and hendo even if that replacement is to be nutured.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Question for the people here, just on a fact or information level, (I come in peace), how long left does Balotelli have on his Liverpool contract, does it run out this summer, or do you still have him for a bit longer?”
“Question for the people here, just on a fact or information level, (I come in peace), how long left does Balotelli have on his Liverpool contract, does it run out this summer, or do you still have him for a bit longer?”
2 years im sure.
We also have Markovic coming back from loan, he has already had talks with Klopp, and the buzz is that Klopp's wanting to see what he's capable of now. Playing him in his favoured position might just make him very worth keeping, hope he is, but that's one for Klopp to work out.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“We also have Markovic coming back from loan, he has already had talks with Klopp, and the buzz is that Klopp's wanting to see what he's capable of now. Playing him in his favoured position might just make him very worth keeping, hope he is, but that's one for Klopp to work out.”
“We also have Markovic coming back from loan, he has already had talks with Klopp, and the buzz is that Klopp's wanting to see what he's capable of now. Playing him in his favoured position might just make him very worth keeping, hope he is, but that's one for Klopp to work out.”
Yeah will be interesting to see what happens with him. Disappointed that he didn't really seem to hit much form in Turkey.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Yeah will be interesting to see what happens with him. Disappointed that he didn't really seem to hit much form in Turkey.”
“Yeah will be interesting to see what happens with him. Disappointed that he didn't really seem to hit much form in Turkey.”
He'll have to improve. Doesn't strike me as a Klopp player - too erratic and fades out of games with little in the way of output even when he is involved. Maybe he'll transform under Klopp - I hope so - but I have my doubts.
I hope these rumours re Sturridge are just that - rumours, or has contact with Roy been a curse again?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...-left-11387159
Lorient's vice-president says we have bid for LB Raphael Guerreiro.
Lorient's vice-president says we have bid for LB Raphael Guerreiro.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...-left-11387159
Lorient's vice-president says we have bid for LB Raphael Guerreiro.”
“http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...-left-11387159
Lorient's vice-president says we have bid for LB Raphael Guerreiro.”
He seems to be like Moreno a LB/WB/LM type player. There seems to be some competition for him, most notably from Barcelona, so he must be a very decent player. At 5'7 he's another one on the short side; I think I'd prefer the 6'1, defensively sound, Jonas Hector to be honest, but those rumours have gone a little quiet.
Seems the Gotze stuff won't go away. He's not being given any guarantees it seems, the Bayern CEO's made comments about him knowing the situation.
""I had talks with him (Mario) and (Carlo) Ancelotti. Mario knows the thoughts of Bayern," Rummenigge told Kicker magazine. "Everything was clearly and seriously explained to Mario.
"He knows what the club thinks and what the new coach thinks. Mario has to evaluate for himself whether he wants to play constantly.""
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-bayern-munich
They might just wait until after the Euros before deciding anything on his contract. But it doesn't seem like they're overly keen to keep him. And as far as Bayern are concerned I think they'd rather he go to Liverpool than Dortmund, and would rather sell him than let him go on a free (and being able to freely go to Dortmund, too).
In any case the whole Gotze to Liverpool thing isn't dead just yet.
""I had talks with him (Mario) and (Carlo) Ancelotti. Mario knows the thoughts of Bayern," Rummenigge told Kicker magazine. "Everything was clearly and seriously explained to Mario.
"He knows what the club thinks and what the new coach thinks. Mario has to evaluate for himself whether he wants to play constantly.""
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-bayern-munich
They might just wait until after the Euros before deciding anything on his contract. But it doesn't seem like they're overly keen to keep him. And as far as Bayern are concerned I think they'd rather he go to Liverpool than Dortmund, and would rather sell him than let him go on a free (and being able to freely go to Dortmund, too).
In any case the whole Gotze to Liverpool thing isn't dead just yet.
It wasn't mentioned on here yesterday it seems...
Yesterday was Istanbul Day. 11 years, time flies!
11 years since the best Champions League final / CL final comeback.
Yesterday was Istanbul Day. 11 years, time flies!
11 years since the best Champions League final / CL final comeback.
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Seems the Gotze stuff won't go away. He's not being given any guarantees it seems, the Bayern CEO's made comments about him knowing the situation.
""I had talks with him (Mario) and (Carlo) Ancelotti. Mario knows the thoughts of Bayern," Rummenigge told Kicker magazine. "Everything was clearly and seriously explained to Mario.
"He knows what the club thinks and what the new coach thinks. Mario has to evaluate for himself whether he wants to play constantly.""
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-bayern-munich
They might just wait until after the Euros before deciding anything on his contract. But it doesn't seem like they're overly keen to keep him. And as far as Bayern are concerned I think they'd rather he go to Liverpool than Dortmund, and would rather sell him than let him go on a free (and being able to freely go to Dortmund, too).
In any case the whole Gotze to Liverpool thing isn't dead just yet.”
“Seems the Gotze stuff won't go away. He's not being given any guarantees it seems, the Bayern CEO's made comments about him knowing the situation.
""I had talks with him (Mario) and (Carlo) Ancelotti. Mario knows the thoughts of Bayern," Rummenigge told Kicker magazine. "Everything was clearly and seriously explained to Mario.
"He knows what the club thinks and what the new coach thinks. Mario has to evaluate for himself whether he wants to play constantly.""
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-bayern-munich
They might just wait until after the Euros before deciding anything on his contract. But it doesn't seem like they're overly keen to keep him. And as far as Bayern are concerned I think they'd rather he go to Liverpool than Dortmund, and would rather sell him than let him go on a free (and being able to freely go to Dortmund, too).
In any case the whole Gotze to Liverpool thing isn't dead just yet.”
Does seem that way and you were right that a deal was on the table.
Kicker reports that Mario Gotze agreed a £175,000-a-week deal to join Liverpool last week before he switched agents.
That to me suggests another club have declared there interest in him. Maybe Bayern and his former agents were pushing him to go to Liverpool when he didn't want to go.
The fact that he decided to release a social media post saying he wants to stay is either a persistence to prove himself or he wants more money.
He supposedly told Klopp personally that he wanted to stay at Bayern, too. So I don't know if Klopp would be willing to go in for him again if he wasn't willing to come the first time. He's said in the past about not wanting players who aren't committed to the project and only want to come only when we're in the Champions League. I hope not winning the Europa League and failing to qualify for the Champions League isn't what put him off, if that was the case then he won't be coming here, even if he changed his mind.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“I hope these rumours re Sturridge are just that - rumours, or has contact with Roy been a curse again?”
“I hope these rumours re Sturridge are just that - rumours, or has contact with Roy been a curse again?”
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/05...-england-duty/
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“He supposedly told Klopp personally that he wanted to stay at Bayern, too. So I don't know if Klopp would be willing to go in for him again if he wasn't willing to come the first time. He's said in the past about not wanting players who aren't committed to the project and only want to come only when we're in the Champions League. I hope not winning the Europa League and failing to qualify for the Champions League isn't what put him off, if that was the case then he won't be coming here, even if he changed his mind.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.”
“He supposedly told Klopp personally that he wanted to stay at Bayern, too. So I don't know if Klopp would be willing to go in for him again if he wasn't willing to come the first time. He's said in the past about not wanting players who aren't committed to the project and only want to come only when we're in the Champions League. I hope not winning the Europa League and failing to qualify for the Champions League isn't what put him off, if that was the case then he won't be coming here, even if he changed his mind.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.”
Sounds like a player who'll have something to play for and something to prove to everybody at the Euros; that's if he can get a game! Watch this space.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“I hope these rumours re Sturridge are just that - rumours, or has contact with Roy been a curse again?”
“I hope these rumours re Sturridge are just that - rumours, or has contact with Roy been a curse again?”
I wouldn't mind at all if he didn't go and, call me cynical, I have my doubts about how well Daniel would cope being fourth choice striker.
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“He supposedly told Klopp personally that he wanted to stay at Bayern, too. So I don't know if Klopp would be willing to go in for him again if he wasn't willing to come the first time. He's said in the past about not wanting players who aren't committed to the project and only want to come only when we're in the Champions League. I hope not winning the Europa League and failing to qualify for the Champions League isn't what put him off, if that was the case then he won't be coming here, even if he changed his mind.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.”
“He supposedly told Klopp personally that he wanted to stay at Bayern, too. So I don't know if Klopp would be willing to go in for him again if he wasn't willing to come the first time. He's said in the past about not wanting players who aren't committed to the project and only want to come only when we're in the Champions League. I hope not winning the Europa League and failing to qualify for the Champions League isn't what put him off, if that was the case then he won't be coming here, even if he changed his mind.
From what I've read he does seem to want to go back to Dortmund, but the fans really don't seem to want him, and Bayern won't want him to go to them and be a threat, which is why I think they'll sell this window if they don't give him a contract. They won't want him to become a free-agent and be able to go to Dortmund freely. It'd be in their interest to sell him to us, or anywhere outside of Germany.
In any case, as I said, this whole thing isn't dead just yet.”
Usually I would think there isn't anyway back after a player agrees and then backs out publically with a FB post. Who knows but wouldn't be surprised if the club now has moved onto to another target.
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