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Old 28-05-2016, 08:08
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5 months without injury so think you need to Calm yourself down!

The season is over. He isn't missing any Liverpool games
Disagree. It is evident that whilst Sturridge's technique is Harrod's, his mechanics are Pound Shop. It's like being involved in a game of Russian roulette. We sensibly need to plan for the scenario where Danny isn't available instead me assuming hell remain fit - win else can guarantee us anything near the games-per-goal ratio he has? As the answer is nobody, Klopp has some serious thinking to do over the summer or we're putting our chances of a decent league campaign at risk by basically hoping Sturidge will be fit for a large part of the season. Add to that, he's clearly planing within himself physically (or has slowed down alarmingly) as his movement is nowhere near what it was.
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Old 28-05-2016, 08:28
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5 months without injury so think you need to Calm yourself down!

The season is over. He isn't missing any Liverpool games
I can never be calm supporting Liverpool

But The Sloth is bang on there with his post.
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Old 28-05-2016, 09:55
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I can never be calm supporting Liverpool

But The Sloth is bang on there with his post.
Shame I was half asleep and didn't correct all the predictive text errors!
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Old 28-05-2016, 10:05
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So Daniel Sturridge goes 15 weeks or so with no injury working to a training regiment which is best for him.

England decide to ignore this and use him however they want and he picks up an injury yet that's the players fault or a sign of the player not being able to stay fit?

Different players require different things. Genetically he obviously needs to be treated differently and seems to me England think otherwise.

Whatever the club have been doing with sturridge since he came back is working as it was the longest period of him being fit for the best part of two years.
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Old 28-05-2016, 10:10
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So Daniel Sturridge goes 15 weeks or so with no injury working to a training regiment which is best for him.

England decide to ignore this and use him however they want and he picks up an injury yet that's the players fault or a sign of the player not being able to stay fit?

Different players require different things. Genetically he obviously needs to be treated differently and seems to me England think otherwise.
Hodgson just thinks he knows better than Klopp, he's getting renowned for breaking players. If I had time I'd check out just how many - this is the 5th time now he's broken Studge, the man's a liability.
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Old 28-05-2016, 10:24
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So Daniel Sturridge goes 15 weeks or so with no injury working to a training regiment which is best for him.

England decide to ignore this and use him however they want and he picks up an injury yet that's the players fault or a sign of the player not being able to stay fit?

Different players require different things. Genetically he obviously needs to be treated differently and seems to me England think otherwise.

Whatever the club have been doing with sturridge since he came back is working as it was the longest period of him being fit for the best part of two years.
It's not the player's fault - it simply highlights the fact he isn't very robust. And if he needs a special training routine that also suggests the same. I don't care who's faults it is - the fact is our best striker is compromised by his physical condition. If you are happy with taking that gamble joining into next season, fine. Personally I'm very uneasy about it and that feeling isn't helped by Sturridge's general demeanor and decreased mobility on the pitch.

If we replaced Benteke with a player who better fits our style and finds the net regularly I'd be less paranoid.
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Old 28-05-2016, 11:02
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I can see both points of view on Sturridge and his injuries - I think Klopp's regime has worked and kept him fitter for longer and due to it all those people who said things like he wants to be injured and does not want to play have been proved wrong - and so to me it would have clearly been better if Hodgson had consulted with the LFC staff to plan his training - as it is obviously in Englands best interests for him to be fit too. He didn't and now he is inured again - hopefully lessons have been learned.

However I do think it is clear that he is fragile and will never be as fit as we want and it will always be a worry that he may be out again - and we have to bear that in mind as we plan.

The good thing from a LFC point of view is that our other options striker wise are Ings and Origi rather than Balotelli and Lambert and so to me if Sturridge is out we are not that much weaker, in fact in many ways I do not think it will be long before we regard Origi as maybe a better option.
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Old 28-05-2016, 11:21
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If we want to chellenge for the PL we need another striker of a similar level to Sturridge, simple as. Not in case Sturridge is injured but because to beat the top tems over the length of a season you need two excellent strikers and we do not have two excellent strikers right now.

Regarding his new injury, you could tell from Hodgeson's press conference after last night's game that he doesn't think it's his fault, that Sturridge will be 'fine' and reading between the lines he's annoyed at the suggestion that any player deserves to be treated differently in training. Idiot. He's a dinosaur who'll get found out as soom as England hit the quarter-finals this summer.
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Old 28-05-2016, 11:48
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You obviously do not rate Origi then Assa.
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Old 28-05-2016, 11:55
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In an ideal world, we'll have a strike force next season of Sturridge, Ings, Origi and a new striker on a similar level to Sturridge.
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Old 28-05-2016, 12:20
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In an ideal world, we'll have a strike force next season of Sturridge, Ings, Origi and a new striker on a similar level to Sturridge.
We have no European football next year; we don't actually need as big a squad as we have needed the last few seasons as there just isn't going to be the number of games to rotate players and get them all playing.

This will affect quite a few of our younger players too, some will have to go on loan and some, like Canos, may just want to move on to somewhere more stable for them. I read last week that Alberto may be coming back again, Why? Even if he has improved, I still don't see him playing that much ahead of the midfielders we already have.

If you could persuade another top striker to come, they have to play. We can't spend £40m on a player to be sitting on the bench waiting on Sturridge to get injured. I suppose that's why interest in guys like Gotze, Sane and Mane make sense as they can play in other positions around Sturridge and, if need be, also play the central role. Whereas someone like Higuain, for example, would be more likely to replace Sturridge.
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Old 28-05-2016, 12:20
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You see I do not really get this phrase 'on a similar level to Sturridge' - to me Origi probably is and tbh maybe Ings is too but I accept he has yet to fully prove himself as so far he has been at a lesser PL club and has scored a bit but we need to know if he can score more regularly seeing as he is now at one of the higher PL teams. Next season we will learn that as i am sure he will play quite a bit.

But going back to Origi - the Origi of the second half of last season after Klopp had influenced him looked an awesome player. Far stronger so less likely to be knocked off the ball, full of pace, finding good positions, hard working and becoming more selfish - which you have to be as a striker (maybe Sturridge at times is almost too selfish). The only question mark is whether he can be a 20 goal a season man as he does not seem to have ever been that prolific as a scorer but I think the signs were more than promising in that regard. He is only around 20 isn't he and I am confident that next season if played regularly he will get a high number of goals.
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Old 28-05-2016, 12:42
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Origi has all the tools to become a fantastic player, but you can't quite say he's on Sturridge's level just yet. Yes, he had that purple patch during the second half of the season and demonstrated his talent on some big occasions. But Danny has scored 53 goals in 92 appearances for us, which is a phenomenal stat. If Origi can replicate those kind of numbers (which I believe he has the potential to do), then we'll be looking at a truly wonderful player, but I refuse to compare the two based on half a season.

I think a lot of people still hugely underrate Sturridge. You just look at his statistics and they are, to put it bluntly, world class numbers. Sure, he's perhaps not as versatile as other strikers, but he's scored more goals for this club quicker than the likes of Suarez, Owen, Fowler, Dalglish, Rush and St.John.
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Old 28-05-2016, 12:47
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Ings is about a one in three striker in the PL in teams of ratio (as an estimate based on his brief PL career) right now and Origi whilst improving all the time is getting to about that level hopefully. Sturridge is, however, averaging one goal every one and a half games for us - we need at least a striker who can hit a goal every other game as a replacement - then we'd have an excellent set of four forwards. Given a season or two, Origi and/or Ings may mature into viable replacements but I'm worried about next season specifically.
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Old 28-05-2016, 13:39
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Hodgson's come out and said that he's gonna make Daniel Sturridge do "extra training" on Sunday to "prove his fitness".

The mind boggles, it really does. If Sturridge comes out of his with an injury, I hope Klopp absolutely roasts Hodgson.
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Old 28-05-2016, 13:44
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Its good for us that Sturridge isn't going to the Euros, as gives him time to recover for the start of the season, as know for a fact, that if he went, he'd get crocked again, and miss the new season, or only get to play the last couple or so games.
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Old 28-05-2016, 14:09
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French media is reporting that sakho will be cleared of any doping offences
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Old 28-05-2016, 14:17
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French media is reporting that sakho will be cleared of any doping offences
That'd be great if true, assuming he goes to the Euros. Would also be annoying since we missed him. Had he not been suspending we might have won that final.
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Old 28-05-2016, 14:42
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French media is reporting that sakho will be cleared of any doping offences
L'Equipe are reporting that he'll escape further punishment because the drug he took seemingly isn't on the list of banned substances. Which is absolutely insane. It seems our best centre back missed the most important game of our season...for nothing.
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Old 28-05-2016, 14:43
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L'Equipe are reporting that he'll escape further punishment because the drug he took seemingly isn't on the list of banned substances. Which is absolutely insane. It seems our best centre back missed the most important game of our season...for nothing.
How did that manage to happen. Pretty ridiculous an administration error could see a player miss a European final.

Can France still pick him?
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Old 28-05-2016, 14:53
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Can France still pick him?
Well his provisional suspension has been lifted, and they still haven't named their final squad. So yes, I assume they can.
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Old 28-05-2016, 15:32
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That is good news
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Old 28-05-2016, 15:34
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It's a good thing we never sacked Sakho after all!
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Old 28-05-2016, 18:08
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Well his provisional suspension has been lifted, and they still haven't named their final squad. So yes, I assume they can.
Lifted or run out, it was only for so many weeks wasn't it. Apparently the substance is on the world anti doping list but not on eufa
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Old 28-05-2016, 21:41
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L'Equipe are reporting that he'll escape further punishment because the drug he took seemingly isn't on the list of banned substances. Which is absolutely insane. It seems our best centre back missed the most important game of our season...for nothing.
I'm gutted about this.He was looking excellent, in particular during our Europa League campaign.
I do wonder if FSG were wary of how much bad publicity the Suarez racist language issue and it's aftermath brought to the club. Albeit a hugely different potential disciplinary issue, looks like they were trying to act in an appropriate manner by dropping him from the squad. Even though it had a detrimental effect on team strength.
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