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Old 09-06-2016, 17:08
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There posts a man currently at a loose end!
I only just seen this post.

Google tells me "a loose end" is pretty much someone who has nothing better to do. Not sure how you could get that from my post. It doesn't take long to make a post. I seen on Facebook that the fixtures were going to be out in 10 days so made a post about it.

As it happens I made that post in-between reading. I just took a little break at the end of a chapter.

I could equally apply the loose end comment to you, but I'm not like that.
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Old 09-06-2016, 17:58
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For players that are past the development stage, the goals and assists are hardly subjective for an attacking player, they're a reliable measure of quality especially when taken from the same league. At the same time, though, you also need to assess whether the player suits your style of play and the players he'll most likely play alongside. So some stats have their place but shouldn't be the sole basis of the assessment of potential targets or when deciding whether a current player is cutting the mustard. A balanced view supported but not governed by statistics is the way to go.
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Old 09-06-2016, 23:10
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Regarding Coutinho...

If he wants to go warm a bench in a crappy league, he can, but only if we get a good offer, then he leaves on our terms. He's not irreplaceable. He's not Luis Suárez. He didn't just have the season of his life, despite winning all the awards.

I love Philippe, I liked him when he was at Inter and really wanted us to sign him, then was made up when he came. But he's not in a position to dictate anything. If he doesn't want to be here, or thinks he can't work under Klopp and the way he plays then he can go. It happens, some players just don't suit a certain style of football. Get the money then get Sane to play down the left, who can naturally play down the left, and we won't miss him as much as he might think we would.

Of course, this only applies if he actually does want to go.
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Old 10-06-2016, 00:43
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For players that are past the development stage, the goals and assists are hardly subjective for an attacking player, they're a reliable measure of quality especially when taken from the same league. At the same time, though, you also need to assess whether the player suits your style of play and the players he'll most likely play alongside. So some stats have their place but shouldn't be the sole basis of the assessment of potential targets or when deciding whether a current player is cutting the mustard. A balanced view supported but not governed by statistics is the way to go.
Yeah but what about so called 'assists' that came to the player who scored by a fluke and the pass did not ;pick out the player' at all. I see many goals resulting from crosses in the general direction of the box and then the striker makes something of it and that = an assist to the midfielder. On the contrary there are fantastic passes which were incredibly creative and laid a great chance on a plate for the striker but did not result in a goal cos the striker messed it up. Or when someone has a 95% pass accuracy - is that cos he always plays the simple ball. Or when someone runs further than anyone else in a match but is doing it to little purpose, all we learn is that he runs a lot - so what?. Or defenders who are out of position and it results in a goal against but it is not counted in the stats cos being out of position is not very measurable. Then there's keepers who make howlers but defenders cover for them and 'get them out of jail' so it does not result in a goal against and so the keeper's stats stay good.

Too many people have an inflated idea of their importance and cos of them fail to watch what players actually do properly. Use them as a guide yeah but do not over rely on them, I think that watching the player play live is far more important than looking at their stats on a page, always has been, always will be.

I have seen stats on this very page in the last few weeks saying James Milner is one of the best 5 players at the Euros and that Daniel Sturridge is a better player than any of Ian Rush, Kenny Dalglish, Luis Suarez or Robbie Fowler. That's the kind of nonsense looking at stats in a vacuum makes you come out with.

And btw I like both James Milner and Daniel Sturridge but to say the above just borders on the daft for me.
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Old 10-06-2016, 03:19
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Paul Joyce says Mario Gotze deal isn't dead and that we should wait until after the Euros.

I remember saying that we might have to wait until after the Euros until anything happens, whether he comes or not.

Our interest in him might grow if Coutinho goes, if he's still available by then.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:28
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Reports coming in that Toure has been released from the club, thank you for your service Kolo.
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Old 10-06-2016, 13:20
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Yeah but what about so called 'assists' that came to the player who scored by a fluke and the pass did not ;pick out the player' at all. I see many goals resulting from crosses in the general direction of the box and then the striker makes something of it and that = an assist to the midfielder. On the contrary there are fantastic passes which were incredibly creative and laid a great chance on a plate for the striker but did not result in a goal cos the striker messed it up. Or when someone has a 95% pass accuracy - is that cos he always plays the simple ball. Or when someone runs further than anyone else in a match but is doing it to little purpose, all we learn is that he runs a lot - so what?. Or defenders who are out of position and it results in a goal against but it is not counted in the stats cos being out of position is not very measurable. Then there's keepers who make howlers but defenders cover for them and 'get them out of jail' so it does not result in a goal against and so the keeper's stats stay good.

Too many people have an inflated idea of their importance and cos of them fail to watch what players actually do properly. Use them as a guide yeah but do not over rely on them, I think that watching the player play live is far more important than looking at their stats on a page, always has been, always will be.

I have seen stats on this very page in the last few weeks saying James Milner is one of the best 5 players at the Euros and that Daniel Sturridge is a better player than any of Ian Rush, Kenny Dalglish, Luis Suarez or Robbie Fowler. That's the kind of nonsense looking at stats in a vacuum makes you come out with.

And btw I like both James Milner and Daniel Sturridge but to say the above just borders on the daft for me.
That Milner UEFA link was postd in jest by me as a dig at those who think he adds nothing. Irrespective of how misrepresentative the stats were that UEFA used, the consistent quality of the company he was in suggested he's doing something right which was my point at the time.

I agree on pass completion accuracy - central defenders excel in that one normally!

As for the argument re assists - of course some are fortunate or rely on the quality of the goal scorers but over a season they're a pretty accurate measure of a player's creativity given most players will get the odd lucky assist. So when low you could look to the team's Goals For column for mitigatio but wnen high I'd say it's invariably representative. An assists % of total team goals would be even more accurate but I think the media are keeping things simple.

As I said, can't solely rely on stats and some are more indicative than others. I suspect if Klopp knows a player covers a lot of miles in a game he'd use that as however you paint stats if a player doesn't cover much ground he'll be less likely to succeed in a Klopp team, especially in certain positions.

Coutinho: can go if he wants to but we've got to push for £35m up surely. He's wonderful at times but still inconsistent.

Kolo: Shame if true as he has a brilliant attitude and has never let us down - must be a wage thing as I'm sure he'd be damn useful to keep around for another year given some of his excellent performances this season.
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Old 10-06-2016, 15:00
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Kolo: Shame if true as he has a brilliant attitude and has never let us down - must be a wage thing as I'm sure he'd be damn useful to keep around for another year given some of his excellent performances this season.
Apparently the club were considering a coaching role but Kolo wants to keep playing. Maybe Rafa will sign him for Newcastle - If Kolo was up for it I think he could be a good signing for them tbh...
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Old 10-06-2016, 16:10
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Greater Manchester Police apologises for poster showing dying Liverpool fans at Hillsborough.

Picture used for job advert saying 'Can you pick out a face in a crowd of people?'

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ID=FB-Liv-main

I'd like to believe it was an honest mistake, but they should have put more thought into what they were using as an example.
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Old 11-06-2016, 19:21
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Skrtel doing what he does best tonight, should have been sent off and had a bad game.

Not sure on the future of our Turtle.
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Old 13-06-2016, 09:04
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cant wait to see Belgium play, hope Origi and Benteke both get a good match.
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Old 13-06-2016, 16:40
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Skrtel doing what he does best tonight, should have been sent off and had a bad game.

Not sure on the future of our Turtle.
Skrtel is surely going. He's not 5th in the pecking order behind Matip, Sakho, Lovren and Gomez, and it wouldn't surprise me if Klopp went in for another centre back to replace Toure.
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Old 13-06-2016, 19:13
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John Arne Riise has retired, age 35.

One of my favourites growing up. Never properly replaced him. There were some promising left-backs, Enrique at the start, I kinda liked Insua, and Moreno could be great if he had a bit more football-intelligence, or intelligence in general. Fabio Aurelio would have replaced him had it not been for injuries. That might have applied to Jose Enrique but he just doesn't seem to care anymore so I don't know if we'd have been able to rely on him if he was able to stay fit.
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Old 13-06-2016, 19:35
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Looks like Teixeira is almost a done deal for Porto. A talented player, he looked reallandromising before that injury while at Brighton; sad to see him go, especially for nothing.

Add him to the already departed Rossitter and Sinclair; the released Toure, Enrique, McLaughlin and Yesil; the probables of Skrtel, Benteke, Balotelli, Wisdom, Alberto and Ibe; the possibles from Mingolet, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Markovic and Canos... and the list of leavers could get quite impressive.

[ of course you could make a case for every player on that possibles list; I'd definitely want to keep Lucas and Canos and if be surprised if Mingolet left. ]
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Old 14-06-2016, 03:10
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Looks like Teixeira is almost a done deal for Porto. A talented player, he looked reallandromising before that injury while at Brighton; sad to see him go, especially for nothing.

Add him to the already departed Rossitter and Sinclair; the released Toure, Enrique, McLaughlin and Yesil; the probables of Skrtel, Benteke, Balotelli, Wisdom, Alberto and Ibe; the possibles from Mingolet, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Markovic and Canos... and the list of leavers could get quite impressive.

[ of course you could make a case for every player on that possibles list; I'd definitely want to keep Lucas and Canos and if be surprised if Mingolet left. ]
teixera wants to play so fair play to him. read the club were willing to give him a new deal but he wants first team football.
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Old 14-06-2016, 19:22
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I liked this article from the Echo.

Joe Allen to make Liverpool team-mates pay for dodgy haircut jibes


Joe Allen has been called Pirlo, Pearlsy and then HC


Joe Allen will make Liverpool’s England contingent pay for all the stick he’s taken over his haircut, according to Wales keeper Danny Ward.

Thursday’s crunch Euro 2016 showdown in Lens will see friendships cast aside for 90 minutes as Reds team-mates prepare to go head to head.

Adam Lallana, James Milner, Daniel Sturridge, Jordan Henderson and Nathaniel Clyne will all hope to be involved for Roy Hodgson’s side.

Allen is guaranteed to start for Wales, while Ward will keep his place in goal if Wayne Hennessey fails to prove his fitness after a back injury.

Ward says England enjoy an “embarrassment of riches” in terms of talent but he expects Chris Coleman’s men to triumph with Allen tipped to be the chief tormentor.

“It might get a bit heated early on,” Ward said.

“Joe will hunt down Lallana or Milner, given the stick they’ve given him over his barnet for six months, and I can see him popping up when there’s a scramble in the box and wheeling away in celebration. Our most important player is wee Joseph.”

Milner, in an interview with the Daily Express, expanded on the nicknames Allen has secured over the course of the past season.

“He went through a stage when he very much looked like (Andrea) Pirlo with his beard and long hair and from there it has developed into Pearlsy,” Milner said.


“HC - as in hot cross - is the other one after he debuted his hair in a bun.”

England have won the past four meetings between the nations but Allen believes Wales are ready to build on their opening win over Slovakia.

“We’re going in as underdogs,” Allen said.

“For us there really is nothing to lose. It’s our first major tournament since 1958 and we’ve certainly not got any weight on our shoulders. That will help us.

“Chris has done a brilliant job. The lads love playing for him. He is a great motivator and he gets you out on the pitch wanting to give everything for your country.


“On the tactical side we have improved massively. He has a really good team of staff behind him.”

Lallana is confident that Hodgson’s side will respond positively to the heartache of conceding a last-gasp equaliser against Russia.

“We’re always favourites,” he said.

“It’s part and parcel of being in the England team and having to deal with it.

“People have said we have a younger group and that might play into our hands a little bit. The youngsters are fearless.

“I am sure Wales will have their game plan: sit in, keep it tight, Bale and Ramsey on the counter-attack. 2-0. I’m quietly confident. Harry Kane brace.”

I want Danny Ward to be our #1 just for the "wee Joseph" line:

“Joe will hunt down Lallana or Milner, given the stick they’ve given him over his barnet for six months, and I can see him popping up when there’s a scramble in the box and wheeling away in celebration. Our most important player is wee Joseph.”
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Old 15-06-2016, 09:58
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The PL fixtures are out and it's just about the toughest start to a campaign I can remember.

Away To Arsenal to start, then away to Spurs and Chelsea within the first 5 weeks. ( we always seem to be away in London early on )

Everton the game before Christmas, then City and Sunderland at New Year.

Last three games home to Southampton and Middlesbrough with an away trip to West Ham in between.
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Old 15-06-2016, 10:52
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The PL fixtures are out and it's just about the toughest start to a campaign I can remember.

Away To Arsenal to start, then away to Spurs and Chelsea within the first 5 weeks. ( we always seem to be away in London early on )

Everton the game before Christmas, then City and Sunderland at New Year.

Last three games home to Southampton and Middlesbrough with an away trip to West Ham in between.
Full list here: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/firs...e-fixture-list
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Old 15-06-2016, 12:10
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The Burnley game will have to be away, too, because of the stadium development. James Pearce confirmed it, too. So that's our first three fixtures away from home. It'll be September before we see Anfield again. Which, as they commented on RedmenTV, could be a good thing for the new signings to bed in away from home against a more relaxed and passionate Liverpool fans. Also apparently Arsenal have lost their last two opening fixtures at home.

The last six fixtures don't look so bad. If we're in a good position by then that could be a nice advantage. On paper, of course!


Also we've got Man United on the 15th of October. Let's hope it's better than the last time we played them on that date, and at Anfield.
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Old 15-06-2016, 19:19
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We had a tough few games at the start of last season as well.
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:30
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Also we've got Man United on the 15th of October. Let's hope it's better than the last time we played them on that date, and at Anfield.
Why? - what happened then mate? - I can't recall
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Old 16-06-2016, 01:08
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Report in The Independent saying Chinese Investors are looking at a £700m bid for the club.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7083836.html

Good record of UK investment from that firm over the past few years but didn't another paper tell us a Middle Eastern Consortium were in talks a few weeks back
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Old 16-06-2016, 06:34
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Why? - what happened then mate? - I can't recall
1-1 at Anfield in 2011 is the only one I can find...
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Old 16-06-2016, 06:44
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It's our manager's 48th birthday today. That's one birthday celebration I'd wanna go to!
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Old 16-06-2016, 07:58
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1-1 at Anfield in 2011 is the only one I can find...
Wasn't that the game where the Suarez/Evra incident occurred?
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