Grujic on for his PL debut and straight into the action.

Short corner, give the ball away - CHECK!

Liverpool will never win games like this against supposedly inferior teams with the likes of Milner and Henderson in the team. Firmino has also been useless. There's another £150m that needs to be spent just to get the club in the top 4 at the end of the season.

And why is Sturridge continually playing wide right?

Well I knew they'd score, but I thought we'd be able to get at them and do something in front of their goal. I haven't seen anything of the game but it looks like a bad day.

Spurs have just gone in front and Everton likely on for 3 points at West Brom.

Chelsea turned it around at Watford.

With all due respect, I don't really give a shit how our perceived rivals are doing right now.

Fair enough it's only August but all points count come May.

Really hoping it is just a bad day and we might learn something about consistency and damn soon.

You know who scored for Spurs too? That defensive midfielder they signed this window. Can't make it up. Here we are with Henderson in the holding role and Milner at left back.

Today was the same LFC we've been watching for years. Someday someone at the club is going to realise we need to get ourselves set defensively before we're going to be lifting trophies again. If Burnley want to park the bus then the game should stay 0-0. Maybe we break them down, maybe we don't. A point isn't a bad result. We should never be gifting teams such cheap goals on the counter attack.

Spurs away is pretty huge now. We can't come away with a loss there.

I agree trying to play Henderson deep is not an option. That screams of trying to get the captain into the first 11. His not got the nous or technique to play in that role.

21 shots off target is a depressing stat

So some notes I've made today:

1. We desperately missed Mane. We needed to exploit the space they were leaving out wide, and we couldn't. We needed some pace there, and we just didn't have it. Mane could've made a difference.

2. Milner is not a left back and never will be. He wasn't there to cover when Gray scored, and he offered absolutely nothing going forward. Had acres of space time and time again and did nothing with it. Moreno would've been more effective here.

3. Henderson is far too timid. He had opportunities to drive forward and shoot from the edge of the box, but he opted for a sideways pass every time. As the captain, he's supposed to inspire, but he refused to take the game by the scruff of the neck today. I expect more from him.

4. What exactly does Wijnaldum do? He's played 180 minutes for us now, and apart from that 1 assist, he's been completely anonymous. I don't understand his role.

5. I'm still not convinced by Klavan. He missed a lot of tackles today, and was positionally suspect for the first goal. I expect Matip to come in against Spurs.

6. Why was Sturridge played out wide all game, and then Origi immediately goes central when he comes on? Sturridge would've loved to be central today and may have contributed a lot more than he did if he had.

7. I'd rather we didn't shoot from distance so much anymore. We probably had about 10 or so shot from distance, and other than a decent Firmino strike which drew a save, we skied every single one of them. Klopp should be furious, absolute waste.

19% possession and two shots on target was all Burnley needed to win by a two goal margin today.I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore.

Amazing that all the stick Moreno has been getting recently and now we lose today with Milner at left back people are calling for Moreno to come back in.

Very disappointing result today but not at all surprising. I kind of expect us to go and beat Tottenham next week now and then probably lose at home to Leicester. On our good day we look unstoppable but its the bad days that are happening too often.

Well Milner isn't a LB and never will be. If Moreno isn't the answer then someone has to be bought.

I think people would rather we signed an actual left back who can defend. Radical idea, I know.

Moreno's always going to be much more effective than Milner in a game like this. That goes without saying.

Are there too many similar players?

Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Wijnaldum. Without Mane there suddenly becomes a lack of directness, pace and penetration.

THIS THIS THIS.

Burton Albion away in the League Cup on Wednesday.

On the plus side, a chance to get back to winning ways before we go to Spurs.

With a hint of nerves about our defence going there

I will also add a THIS

The stats are shocking. It looks like we got robbed when in reality we were $hit

To save space i won't quote them but re Dandem's 7 points a few posts ago - lot of sense written there as make no mistake going on LFC forums ...etc there will be a lot of rubbish written tonight - altho I do not fully agree with everything he put - but then I am sure that people prob do not agree with everything I put either, its all about having an adult debate.

The truth is we have maybe 13 or 14 players for the 6 front spots and today it was Studge, Firm, Cout, Wij, Lall, and Hendo and for me that excludes some of our most impressive players like Mane, Origi, Can, Gruic and even Lucas (if we are talking about a good DM) and with the line up we had we were unable to break them down. It may be wrong to write us off attacking wise as last week we scored 4 at AFC and in pre season scored 4 V Barca but today was poor and the mix was not right especially once we went a goal down early and needed to score with the opposition sitting back on their lead (and I do not blame them for that - it is our job to break them down and we couldn't).

Like Dandem tho the roles of Hendo and Wijnaldum worry me and Lallana and the Brazilians seem as if they can turn it on one week and then be ineffective the next and that is not the way we are going to be PL title contenders or even tbh near the top of the PL - which is where we all want and almost expect us to be. Frustrating to put it mildly.

Given the fact that we have spent effectively nothing this window I do not think it is unreasonable to expect that we will have a specialist LB on our books who the manager trusts enough to play as to play Milner at LB is fair to nobody and I do not want to see that again. I hope we sign a proper LB before the window closes

I have really liked Klavan so far but it seems today he was not great - not a reason to write him off but maybe V Burton away it would be a good chance to leave him out and have a look at Matip and assess who our best CB pairing for the next PL game should be.

I hate stats or at least their overuse at football matches but 80%+ possession and we lose 2-0 is awful. I hated the fact that last week we were bragging about us having the highest running stat ever in the PL - not a bad thing but ultimately it does not matter, the only important stat is the number of goals scored and today with 80% possession we scored zero. Grrrrr!!!

Could ramble more but will stop and leave others to give their thoughts too - but not a good day to be a LFC fan and as a LFC fan who always says he starts the season hoping for the title until proved otherwise I think today I may have been proved otherwise!!

1. Agree

2. Agree

3. It's not that Henderson is timid, although he is, it's that he's utterly talentless.

4. I though this in the Arsenal game, and thought it even more today. He serves no purpose. What was he bought to the club to do. Looks like £25m panic buy. Championship player at best.

5. Klavan was OK last week, but agree with you about him today. But then whole defence was AWOL for both goals.

6. I said this about Sturridge earlier in the thread, and it's happening far too often.

7. I suspect the players are playing how Klopp has told them to play. The players don't have the physical capabilities to play the non stop pressing/fast counter attack that Klopp wanted to bring in, so have reverted to the sideways pass pass pass lose the ball style of play that was so prevalent under the Irish douce bag. When things aren't going well against a physical team that's parked the bus, Couthino, Firmino and Lallana aren't going to win games. Benteke would at least have given the team another option today.

Was really unimpressed by the amount of time Klopp spent sitting in the dugout instead of trying to change things.

A large proportion of the Benteke money needs to be spent on a quality left back regardless of cost, and a big fast centre forward.

I'd like to slightly balance my negativity about other results earlier by saying that Arsenal only have a point after two games

With a few hours reflection it's just so frustrating. It seems a lot of the media are deciding that the Manc clubs will have two of the CL qualifying and one of them the title sewn up after we've played 2 games of the PL!!!

I hope it's down to a bad day but we really didn't want to have a poor scoreline so early in the season and against a newly promoted club. We all wanted to see some of the mentality that got us to scrap to the two finals last year being produced when the chips were down in the league.

In hindsight I also would've started Origi rather than Sturridge today. Daniel looked very rusty and we could've been better having him off the bench.

Indeed. Slaven Bilic hit the nail on the head during the Euros. You can't really celebrate dominating possession as some big achievement when the other team is more than happy to let you have the ball.

The shots on target stat is probably the most important one to me (after goals obviously). We had 5 to their 2. For all our possession the Burnley GK had barely anything to do.

The total lack of width is something that really irked me today. To me it's pretty basic that if a team has 9 or 10 behind the ball then you have to stretch them to make space. How easy the Burnley defence must have found it watching Firmino, Lallana, Wijnaldum and Henderson passing sideways and backwards endlessly. That's where we missed Mane, and maybe should have brought Origi on to play out wide instead of in the middle where there was zero space, but then I'm just a fan who gets his football knowledge from FM.