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Its been the same problem for years and you can deny it but it all boils down to lack of quality players. I appreciate we don't have the money but until we do we can't expect much better. Man United prime example of what spending big can do.
Arsenal are slaughtered for not spending but, unlike us who've probably spent more in recent years, secure CL football year after year. I like the foundation Klopp is laying and all that's needed is patience - his arrival was another restart sadly and his record suggests he needs a few seasons to get things going 100%. Our current owners won't spend a fortune on transfer fees and salaries and we've haven't got a manager who plays pragmatic football. Given two indisputable facts, don't expect much predictability box time soon in the way we play or our results. If we dominate games all season along the lines of the first three, however, I'd suggest we'll be in and around the upper reaches and will improve on last season - you can't dismiss getting decent results at Arsenal and Spurs and expect Burnley's tactics to bear dividends each and every time teams deploy them against us surely? Likewise, United's three opening games against modest opposition don't mean they'll blow City away in a fortnight either. It's frustrating but surely even you can see some encouraging signs in what Klopp is trying to do within the financial constraints he is so obviously working under? I wish the whole Sturridge thing would sort itself out though. As I've said before, I just get the impression that relationship won't end well as the player just doesn't fit the Klopp blueprint and appears to be agitating for something again. The guy is a genius finisher but something just isn't right with him. |
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I hope the Sturridge thing sorts itself out, I love Danny and I'd hate to see his Liverpool career just sort of fizzle out into nothingness. Especially since we don't have the goals to replace him right now.
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I was about to come back and say that was not in Rodgers' last season but you are right it was - at the start when we were still in optimistic mode from the nearly season in about the 3rd game I think. After that tho that season there was almost nothing - beating Swansea 4-1 at Anfield was probably the best performance. Don't ask me to list the really bad ones - there were at least 10 that were off the scale awful.
Point scoring apart I can agree that things now under Klopp are still not as good as we would want them to be and some of the selections and perhaps the transfer decisions some of us would dispute but we are less than a year into the journey. I think anyone with a remotely fair mind would have to look at it and say there were grounds for hope and to trust him to develop the club and the squad in a good way continuing the encouraging start he has made so far. |
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I was about to come back and say that was not in Rodgers' last season but you are right it was - at the start when we were still in optimistic mode from the nearly season in about the 3rd game I think. After that tho that season there was almost nothing - beating Swansea 4-1 at Anfield was probably the best performance. Don't ask me to list the really bad ones - there were at least 10 that were off the scale awful.
Point scoring apart I can agree that things now under Klopp are still not as good as we would want them to be and some of the selections and perhaps the transfer decisions some of us would dispute but we are less than a year into the journey. I think anyone with a remotely fair mind would have to look at it and say there were grounds for hope and to trust him to develop the club and the squad in a good way continuing the encouraging start he has made so far. I'm with you in hoping that Klopp gets time. To continue building the winning mentality then really solidify it. Time for managers is the rarest commodity in modern football though. Questions of Klopp's tactics and the results seemed to intensify after the Burnley game.Yesterday's result helped us to see what he is aiming for but the biggest step is breaking down teams who won't set out to attack us as Spurs and Arsenal have done in recent weeks. |
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I hope the Sturridge thing sorts itself out, I love Danny and I'd hate to see his Liverpool career just sort of fizzle out into nothingness. Especially since we don't have the goals to replace him right now.
Get the feeling klopp doesnt trust him and would sell if the right offer was made. Sturridge will also look to move on if he not playing. The guy is our best striker without a doubt. Sometimes it just doesn't work out with certain managers. That's football. |
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Bottom line is that Sturridge isn't resilient enough to gain Klopp's complete trust and that he doesn't work back enough to fit in the manager's favoured style. He prefers swarming, flexible attacking players who interchange throughout the game. He's clearly trying to spread the scoring burden and add energy and mobility.
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Rose looked to be sweating bullets, said it was his toughest game in a couple of years. Spurs looked a bit shell shocked in the first half. Breaking in numbers into the box is always a thing of beauty.
Not sure about the thinking of putting Sturridge on for 5 minutes. Even going on fresh in those final minutes he gets harried and pushed back when not releasing the ball quick enough. Saw it at the Euros as well. |
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Bottom line is that Sturridge isn't resilient enough to gain Klopp's complete trust and that he doesn't work back enough to fit in the manager's favoured style. He prefers swarming, flexible attacking players who interchange throughout the game. He's clearly trying to spread the scoring burden and add energy and mobility.
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Rose looked to be sweating bullets, said it was his toughest game in a couple of years. Spurs looked a bit shell shocked in the first half. Breaking in numbers into the box is always a thing of beauty.
Not sure about the thinking of putting Sturridge on for 5 minutes. Even going on fresh in those final minutes he gets harried and pushed back when not releasing the ball quick enough. Saw it at the Euros as well. |
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Pains me to say it but I don't see him being here for much longer.
Get the feeling klopp doesnt trust him and would sell if the right offer was made. Sturridge will also look to move on if he not playing. The guy is our best striker without a doubt. Sometimes it just doesn't work out with certain managers. That's football. Quote:
Bottom line is that Sturridge isn't resilient enough to gain Klopp's complete trust and that he doesn't work back enough to fit in the manager's favoured style. He prefers swarming, flexible attacking players who interchange throughout the game. He's clearly trying to spread the scoring burden and add energy and mobility.
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I agree but the problem is his the only player capable of scoring 20 league goals.
I do like Sturridge but I am a big Origi fan too and this assertion that he could not score 20 goals is unproven as he has never had the chance to try seeing as he has only had one season in England. This is a player who played for his country at the age of 19 in the WC and scored so he can play that's for sure. In that one English season he has had when he was under Rodgers he was poor at the start but once Klopp came he started to improve. After Christmas he was so good he was selected for both the vital ties V Dortmund. He scored in both of them and also in the derby match immediately afterwards only losing his place cos of Funes Mori's thuggery. Are people saying Klopp was wrong to pick him for these games? Carrying on like that he would score 20 in a season no problem. I think Sturridge will play a significant role for us this season if he stays fit that's for sure but he has to put his ego away and start being a team player. The facts are that he was on the pitch from the start V Burnley with Origi on the bench as he had also been at Arsenal (and he did not moan about either selection) and he failed to make much impact albeit in an unfamiliar role. To me the striker with far more ground for complaint is Danny Ings who has not got on the pitch yet this season but he has kept quiet and is waiting patiently for his turn - that is the right attitude. The one who I think has had pretty favourable treatment to me is Firmino who has played all of all 3 PL games so far and has yet to score - but in time | am sure all will get the chance to shine. It is a squad game and we have over 20 really good players in ours 4 of whom are strikers and all are important. For me the best LFC team would have both Sturridge and Origi in but if at the end of the day Klopp does not pick the team I want then I still trust his judgment and support them anyway. |
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Good article https://tomkinstimes.com/2016/08/dre...-win-insanity/ Quote:
'I think that when fans of a certain disposition craved Klopp – when they hounded John Henry with every tweet – they were actually just wanting his Dortmund team, and his Dortmund success. They didn’t want the process where his Dortmund side went from average to outstanding over two-to-three years, probably because they didn’t even notice it – unless they were keen Bundesliga aficionados. They just saw the exciting team Dortmund had become and thought “want that”. Sure, but how did Klopp make it?'
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The one who I think has had pretty favourable treatment to me is Firmino who has played all of all 3 PL games so far and has yet to score
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Yeah sorry, that's my bad. It's because I've got him in my Fantasy Football team.
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3 of ours selected for the England squad, Sturridge, Henderson and Clyne. Milner has already opted out anyway, but Lallana must be feeling a bit gutted.
No matter, the unselected have a 'behind closed doors' match at Anfield with Huddersfield during this break. Lallana's name is now added to the listing - must have heard me moaning!
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No player should be an automatic choice - and if Sturridge thinks he should be then he is wrong.
I do like Sturridge but I am a big Origi fan too and this assertion that he could not score 20 goals is unproven as he has never had the chance to try seeing as he has only had one season in England. This is a player who played for his country at the age of 19 in the WC and scored so he can play that's for sure. In that one English season he has had when he was under Rodgers he was poor at the start but once Klopp came he started to improve. After Christmas he was so good he was selected for both the vital ties V Dortmund. He scored in both of them and also in the derby match immediately afterwards only losing his place cos of Funes Mori's thuggery. Are people saying Klopp was wrong to pick him for these games? Carrying on like that he would score 20 in a season no problem. I think Sturridge will play a significant role for us this season if he stays fit that's for sure but he has to put his ego away and start being a team player. The facts are that he was on the pitch from the start V Burnley with Origi on the bench as he had also been at Arsenal (and he did not moan about either selection) and he failed to make much impact albeit in an unfamiliar role. To me the striker with far more ground for complaint is Danny Ings who has not got on the pitch yet this season but he has kept quiet and is waiting patiently for his turn - that is the right attitude. The one who I think has had pretty favourable treatment to me is Firmino who has played all of all 3 PL games so far and has yet to score - but in time | am sure all will get the chance to shine. It is a squad game and we have over 20 really good players in ours 4 of whom are strikers and all are important. For me the best LFC team would have both Sturridge and Origi in but if at the end of the day Klopp does not pick the team I want then I still trust his judgment and support them anyway. probably dont blame him to be honest. sturridge is a better player then origi, dont think any of us can really dispute that. ability wise it is night and day. on pure ability sturridge is easily top 3 in the country. his goals per minute, his technique speaks for itself. personally think if klopp doesnt see him fitting into his style then he should let him go. there is no point dragging this on as the situation will only get worse. like i said before though, the club needs a striker who gets 20 goals a season to be anywhere near the top of the table. |
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3 of ours selected for the England squad, Sturridge, Henderson and Clyne. Milner has already opted out anyway, but Lallana must be feeling a bit gutted.
No matter, the unselected have a 'behind closed doors' match at Anfield with Huddersfield during this break. Lallana's name is now added to the listing - must have heard me moaning! ![]() |
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doubt sturridge sees himself as automatic 1st choice. what he doesnt like is seeing himself left on the bench while origi get on before him.
probably dont blame him to be honest. sturridge is a better player then origi, dont think any of us can really dispute that. ability wise it is night and day. on pure ability sturridge is easily top 3 in the country. his goals per minute, his technique speaks for itself. personally think if klopp doesnt see him fitting into his style then he should let him go. there is no point dragging this on as the situation will only get worse. like i said before though, the club needs a striker who gets 20 goals a season to be anywhere near the top of the table. The one thing which cannot be disputed about Sturridge is his goals ratio for LFC which is outstanding and compares to the best strikers we have ever had like Rush and Fowler. That in itself should ensure he gets lots of game time as more than most you can count on him to score = pretty important!!. The thing which I don't like about him are times when he shoots high wide and handsome when shooting is not the best option - strikes me as a bit selfish - yes I know all strikers do this but to me Sturridge does it more than most. Also times when we attack when he keeps the ball (often it seems with the motive of getting a goal for himself) when he should have taken the obvious option to pass to a team mate. I also feel as if he comes over as not the best team player we have by his body language in situations like Saturday when he does not get his way. For role models in being a team player look at players like Milner, Sami, Agger, Lucas and even Ings altho he has not been at the club that long yet - and most of them do not have the natural ability Sturridge has - he can learn from them. I have seen quotes from Klopp over the weekend tho about this situation and it does strike me that it is largely one blown up by the media. It is 100% clear Klopp rates Sturridge and there will be many times when he will play this season - in fact at the end of the season I bet he will have appeared more than Origi. Indeed the first game Sturridge was not fit and so was not selected with Origi on the bench V AFC, then the next Saturday V Burnley Sturridge is fit and rather than Origi getting a game he goes straight in with Origi still on the bench. So I think any suggestion that he is being treated unfairly by Klopp is daft - altho as I hinted earlier I think both Origi and Sturridge could look at the fact that Firmino has played all 90 minutes of all 3 games and wonder a bit. |
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Were supposedly after Christian Fuchs from Leicester, as his contract talks have stalled.
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Were supposedly after Christian Fuchs from Leicester, as his contract talks have stalled.
I feel better now. |
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There are rumours that Allardyce is going to name Hendo as his captain.
Social media and this part of DS would go into meltdown if that happened. I hope for Hendo's sake it doesn't happen, he gets enough grief from Liverpool fans, as well as England fans just for pulling on a shirt. But watching people lose their hair over it might be entertaining. |
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I hope they sort the contract out - for Fuchs' sake...
I feel better now. In other news, we have 15 players going off on international duty this break, just enough left to make up a team to play the friendly at Anfield. |
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According to the Echo, we've agreed to sell Luis Allberto to Lazio for £6m. Apparently there are buy-back and sell-on clauses, too.
£6m is more good business by us, as well as the clauses. We've become quite smart in negotiating and handling transfers. |
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Groan! Don't know if you're getting worse or better Sloth.
In other news, we have 15 players going off on international duty this break, just enough left to make up a team to play the friendly at Anfield. |
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There are rumours that Allardyce is going to name Hendo as his captain.
Social media and this part of DS would go into meltdown if that happened. I hope for Hendo's sake it doesn't happen, he gets enough grief from Liverpool fans, as well as England fans just for pulling on a shirt. But watching people lose their hair over it might be entertaining. Henderson is probably the best shout to be honest. He's not a great captain, but who else is there? There doesn't appear to be anyone in the current pool of talent even close to the likes of Gerrard and Terry. |
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The meltdown this would cause is going to be incredible.
Henderson is probably the best shout to be honest. He's not a great captain, but who else is there? There doesn't appear to be anyone in the current pool of talent even close to the likes of Gerrard and Terry. There just aren't many options. Hart would be a candidate, but I prefer outfield captains, and his England career isn't looking great right now. Cahill might be an option, I dunno. Wasn't Lallana captain at Southampton? He doesn't seem like a captain, but he might be more of a Gerrard-like lead by example kinda captain. |
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