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Old 30-08-2016, 16:30
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Liverpool defender Mamadou Sakho has been informed that he won’t play for the club this season, with Jurgen Klopp urging a loan move.

So this looks like a definite exit for Mama, something has been going on that makes Klopp unhappy with the player, and it must be very significant for him to be insisting he needs to make a move for at least a loan.

Quote TIA: " Sakho has dropped down in Klopp’s defensive options since the end of last season, with the German expressing concerns about his attitude.

This culminated in the Frenchman being sent home from Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States, in a move that proved something of a drastic decision from the manager.

Now, Sakho is available on loan, with Klopp supposedly looking for the former Paris Saint-Germain captain to prove his professionalism.

But with Sakho having already turned down offers from Stoke City and West Brom, Klopp has made it unequivocally clear that he won’t play for Liverpool in 2016/17."
So a loan move to try and retain his value as if they want to force him out so badly why not just sell him?

Now the issue is trying to loan him and the player could well decide he doesn't want to go to x club. Its late in the day to try and get this done.
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Old 30-08-2016, 16:51
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Lots of situations puzzle me at our club at the moment,, to name a few

1) Sakho - one of 4 top class CBs we have (and we do need all 4) but who seems to be out of favour to the point of him being sent out on loan
2) the LB situation - playing Milner there surely cannot be seen as the long term answer
3) the lack of a DM - which I think will lead to us being less defensively sound no matter how good the rest of the defenders are (and they are)
4) playing Hendo all the time even when off form
5\) Wijnaldum - his less than spectacular start but even so he plays all the time. What is hjis role exactly?
6\) the speculation surrounding Sturridge - altho as I have said I think much of that is media hype
7) having a negative transfer window lay out this window (so far) when we should have lots of money.

and going back a few weeks
8) the sale of Joe Allen for so little after he was named in the team of the Euros

At the end of the day tho you have to trust Klopp as he is a football man who has shown in the past that he knows what he is doing and will know more about these situations than we do. Also we have gained 4 points out of 6 away at Spurs and Arsenal so far plus we scored 5 at Burton who beat Derby so it is not too bad on the pitch (we will not mention Burnley!!). Also despite the many exits we have still got a great squad with many options so lets try to stay positive - altho obviously there is nothing wrong with expressing our worries and concerns on an internet forum!!
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Old 30-08-2016, 18:42
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I think the whole drug issue is what has killed Sakho. Even though he avoided a UEFA charge and suspension I wouldn't he surprised if the club are not happy that he took supplements behind the clubs back. If Sakho believes he done nothing wrong and the eventual ruling proved that then maybe that's the problem.

Either way I think his career at Liverpool is over.
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Old 31-08-2016, 07:46
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Lots of situations puzzle me at our club at the moment,, to name a few

1) Sakho - one of 4 top class CBs we have (and we do need all 4) but who seems to be out of favour to the point of him being sent out on loan
2) the LB situation - playing Milner there surely cannot be seen as the long term answer
3) the lack of a DM - which I think will lead to us being less defensively sound no matter how good the rest of the defenders are (and they are)
4) playing Hendo all the time even when off form
5\) Wijnaldum - his less than spectacular start but even so he plays all the time. What is hjis role exactly?
6\) the speculation surrounding Sturridge - altho as I have said I think much of that is media hype
7) having a negative transfer window lay out this window (so far) when we should have lots of money.

and going back a few weeks
8) the sale of Joe Allen for so little after he was named in the team of the Euros

At the end of the day tho you have to trust Klopp as he is a football man who has shown in the past that he knows what he is doing and will know more about these situations than we do. Also we have gained 4 points out of 6 away at Spurs and Arsenal so far plus we scored 5 at Burton who beat Derby so it is not too bad on the pitch (we will not mention Burnley!!). Also despite the many exits we have still got a great squad with many options so lets try to stay positive - altho obviously there is nothing wrong with expressing our worries and concerns on an internet forum!!
It seems klopp has got what he needs for this window. I'm concerned we still haven't addressed the defensive issues especially LB. It's clear he prefers milner instead of moreno but milner isn't a LB. Surely there is an actual LB out there who we can get that. What happened to the deal to sign Jonas hector?
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Old 31-08-2016, 08:32
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It seems klopp has got what he needs for this window. I'm concerned we still haven't addressed the defensive issues especially LB. It's clear he prefers milner instead of moreno but milner isn't a LB. Surely there is an actual LB out there who we can get that. What happened to the deal to sign Jonas hector?
Hector signed a new contract at his club
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Old 31-08-2016, 08:43
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I think the whole drug issue is what has killed Sakho. Even though he avoided a UEFA charge and suspension I wouldn't he surprised if the club are not happy that he took supplements behind the clubs back. If Sakho believes he done nothing wrong and the eventual ruling proved that then maybe that's the problem.

Either way I think his career at Liverpool is over.
I think it's more his overall attitude. Shane as he was decent despite the unfair picture the media painted of him due to his ungainly appearance. Luckily Matip shares many of the qualities fans admired Sakho for whilst being more athletic.
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Old 31-08-2016, 11:20
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Deadline day! Or perhaps more accurate for us, departure day, because I'll be surprised if we bring anyone in ( unless someone out there has news of any stronger rumours than I'm aware of ) .

Alberto to Lazio, Wisdon to Salzburg, and who knows anything about Balotelli and Markovic ( really surprised if he can't find a club ) . Then there's the delicate situation with Sakho; a player who, as well as being currently injured for perhaps another 3 or 4 weeks, doesn't really want to leave anyway.

The admin peoples could be having a busy day and they'll do well to sort that lot out.
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Old 31-08-2016, 11:30
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Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho has turned down his third loan offer of the transfer window, this time from Turkish side Besiktas.

The Frenchman has been told in no uncertain terms that he won’t feature in Jurgen Klopp‘s first-team squad if he remains on Merseyside this season, with the 49-year-old pushing a loan move.

This comes following Klopp’s concerns over Sakho’s attitude, something reminiscent of his time under Carlo Ancelotti and Laurent Blanc at Paris Saint-Germain.

Despite this, however, Sakho seems reluctant to leave Liverpool, having already turned down moves to Stoke City and West Bromwich Albion this month.

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Didn't realise other managers have had issues with Sakho on attitude, I take back thinking Klopp was being a bit harsh.
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Old 31-08-2016, 12:03
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Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho has turned down his third loan offer of the transfer window, this time from Turkish side Besiktas.

The Frenchman has been told in no uncertain terms that he won’t feature in Jurgen Klopp‘s first-team squad if he remains on Merseyside this season, with the 49-year-old pushing a loan move.

This comes following Klopp’s concerns over Sakho’s attitude, something reminiscent of his time under Carlo Ancelotti and Laurent Blanc at Paris Saint-Germain.

Despite this, however, Sakho seems reluctant to leave Liverpool, having already turned down moves to Stoke City and West Bromwich Albion this month.

TIA.

Didn't realise other managers have had issues with Sakho on attitude, I take back thinking Klopp was being a bit harsh.
Mamadou Sakho is set to stay at Liverpool even though he has been told he will not play again this season. #lfc (Dominic King)

Not surprised. Far too late in the day to tell a player his not wanted. This could of been done weeks ago
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Old 31-08-2016, 12:51
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Mamadou Sakho is set to stay at Liverpool even though he has been told he will not play again this season. #lfc (Dominic King)

Not surprised. Far too late in the day to tell a player his not wanted. This could of been done weeks ago
I think it might well have been, Klopp hasn't made any use of him at all since the 'drug' issue, so I'm pretty sure this has been known for quite a while.
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Old 31-08-2016, 13:08
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Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho has turned down his third loan offer of the transfer window, this time from Turkish side Besiktas.

The Frenchman has been told in no uncertain terms that he won’t feature in Jurgen Klopp‘s first-team squad if he remains on Merseyside this season, with the 49-year-old pushing a loan move.

This comes following Klopp’s concerns over Sakho’s attitude, something reminiscent of his time under Carlo Ancelotti and Laurent Blanc at Paris Saint-Germain.

Despite this, however, Sakho seems reluctant to leave Liverpool, having already turned down moves to Stoke City and West Bromwich Albion this month.

TIA.

Didn't realise other managers have had issues with Sakho on attitude, I take back thinking Klopp was being a bit harsh.
I remember him storming out after Brendan left him out the squad too, something he later apologised for but yes seems a few managers have had issues with him, from the outside you wouldn't know it but for Jurgen to have taken this stance it must be something....

I hope we do not entertain the Sunderland loan link for him though as I've read if Moyes can get Sakho on loan he would do business with Everton for Kone. I don't think we should be helping out our near neighbours or their ex manager and I do not see how a loan to them does anything but that.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:26
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...he Frenchman has been told in no uncertain terms that he won’t feature in Jurgen Klopp‘s first-team squad if he remains on Merseyside this season, with the 49-year-old pushing a loan move........
A 49 year old player would be doing well to get a squad place.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:29
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I think it might well have been, Klopp hasn't made any use of him at all since the 'drug' issue, so I'm pretty sure this has been known for quite a while.
His been injured. The relationship between player and manager has clearly broken down as his training on his own.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:43
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A 49 year old player would be doing well to get a squad place.
OK, give you that one - this time!

His been injured. The relationship between player and manager has clearly broken down as his training on his own.
He's refused to leave Liverpool now, and some fans are thinking (stupidly) that this means he will be playing for us. He won't, Klopp has been clear from the start that he won't use him this season, and Sakho has had time to try and rectify that, looks like he hasn't.

No way is Klopp going to back down now, it would go against all he has stated and would make him look soft, Sakho will be gone soon. Sad really, a good player, but his attitude seems to be rather off.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:45
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OK, give you that one - this time!



He's refused to leave Liverpool now, and some fans are thinking (stupidly) that this means he will be playing for us. He won't, Klopp has been clear from the start that he won't use him this season, and Sakho has had time to try and rectify that, looks like he hasn't.

No way is Klopp going to back down now, it would go against all he has stated and would make him look soft, Sakho will be gone soon. Sad really, a good player, but his attitude seems to be rather off.
Refused to go the possible options as is his contractual right. As I said yesterday it's extremely late in the day to try and force a player to move on.
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Old 31-08-2016, 17:05
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I remember him storming out after Brendan left him out the squad too, something he later apologised for but yes seems a few managers have had issues with him, from the outside you wouldn't know it but for Jurgen to have taken this stance it must be something....

I hope we do not entertain the Sunderland loan link for him though as I've read if Moyes can get Sakho on loan he would do business with Everton for Kone. I don't think we should be helping out our near neighbours or their ex manager and I do not see how a loan to them does anything but that.
Doubt he would go Sunderland anyway.

Why turn down stoke but go Sunderland.
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Old 31-08-2016, 17:25
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Balotelli in Nice trying to convince them he's still a footballer player worth paying wages on.

Not seeing much about Markovic though, only some hazy rumours about a loan to Newcastle. For a player who was quite highly rated a few years ago, it's really strange that he's struggling to find himself a club.

( On the subject of Newcastle: rumour is Sissoko could be heading for a medical at Everton. They are putting together a useful selection of players and they now have a very capable manager. Everton could be on course for a very serious season )
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:15
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Alberto has been signed by Lazio for 3m and Andre Wisdom has been loaned to Red Bull Salzburg.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:06
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Balotelli has completed a permanent (yes, permanent) transfer to Nice.

Looks like I've just missed out on my Balotelli to stay bet. Oh well, worth it!

He's gone on a free, so a £16m loss.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:29
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Balotelli has completed a permanent (yes, permanent) transfer to Nice.

Looks like I've just missed out on my Balotelli to stay bet. Oh well, worth it!

He's gone on a free, so a £16m loss.
I think we've got some sell-on clauses so if he does get his act together (and age is on his side) we may still get a few shillings. Thanks you transfer committee!
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Old 31-08-2016, 21:40
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So what happens this year if lovren and matip are both injured? Who plays CB?

Markovic going Lisbon on loan
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Old 31-08-2016, 22:01
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So what happens this year if lovren and matip are both injured? Who plays CB?

Markovic going Lisbon on loan
Klavan and Gomez I would assume.
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Old 31-08-2016, 22:36
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Lazar Markovic has gone to Sporting Lisbon on loan. I can only assume there was no interest from any club in a purchase, as I can't imagine he has a future at the club. Same goes for Wisdom.
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Old 01-09-2016, 01:32
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Lazar Markovic has gone to Sporting Lisbon on loan. I can only assume there was no interest from any club in a purchase, as I can't imagine he has a future at the club. Same goes for Wisdom.
I don't know why Sporting didn't put in a bid for him. They are about £40m in profit this window ( Leicester just paid them £27m for a striker ) , so they have the money. Markovic's reputation has just plummeted over the last year or so.
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Old 01-09-2016, 01:40
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I don't know why Sporting didn't put in a bid for him. They are about £40m in profit this window ( Leicester just paid them £27m for a striker ) , so they have the money. Markovic's reputation has just plummeted over the last year or so.
guess taking a risk on an ex benfica player isnt the smartest idea also.
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