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Old 25-08-2015, 11:56
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A good point overall, however our second half performance was frustrating. Why didn't we press higher up the pitch in the second half, 3 of their back 4 were giving the ball away regularly. I think we let them off the hook last night.

Our substitutions were poor as well, why bring on an 18 year old in this type of game? I hope Lucas does stay, he was excellent in the 1st half along with Milner and Can.

Benteke, Coutinho and Firmino all played well, but for Cech's heroics we'd have gone in at half time ahead.
Probably because after so much work done in the first 60 mins 3 games into the season it was difficult to maintain such pressing. Milner and Can looked dead on there feet.

Shows how fit Henderson is as he doesnt seem to get tired at all.

I thought the 18 year old didnt do too bad at all. He wa brought on to screen like Lucas did and seemed to do just fine.
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Old 25-08-2015, 18:36
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I was out for the first part of yesterday evening (playing bowls - and I won - hurray ) but back to LFC!! This meant I missed most of the first half listening to the end of it on the radio and then seeing the second half on TV. It seemed I missed the best bit - but I must admit I was even relatively happy with what I did see - including the first half highlights at the end of the game!!

Even tho it was the first game we have not won I felt it was easily our best performance and even 'my mate' Lovren played really well!! Like Orch I struggle to name a LFC MOTM as several did well - all the back 4 + Mig, Can (I think we saw he would be best used in an attacking role where he will contribute far more in future) and Lucas then Benteke was good again, Milner was as ever really hard working and reliable - so I've named 9 of the starting eleven as candidates already and the other two - Coutinho and Firmino were not bad either. A real team performance.

Ibe was a negative but I refuse to have too much of a go as last season he was far better and he is only young - perhaps there is a case for giving Markovic an outing? as he could not be any worse in terms of influencing the game. Surprised by BR subbing Rossiter for Lucas 15 minutes from the end of a game like that - you can only assume Lucas' legs had gone - but he did OK so that was good too

When you consider that at Arsenal and Stoke last season we conceded 10 to not concede at all this season shows we are improving. Games like last night at top clubs you are never going to score loads but we did come close so that is encouraging, we now need to be more fluent and dangerous against lesser clubs - lets hope we start on Saturday. I do think Sean O'D and Garry Mc should get some praise too for their roles in getting us better organised defensively.

I think we need to not go too OTT on our chances or on the performances of players after just 3 games but overall it looks hopeful so lets hope we build on it.
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Old 25-08-2015, 20:38
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A good point overall, however our second half performance was frustrating. Why didn't we press higher up the pitch in the second half, 3 of their back 4 were giving the ball away regularly. I think we let them off the hook last night.

Our substitutions were poor as well, why bring on an 18 year old in this type of game? I hope Lucas does stay, he was excellent in the 1st half along with Milner and Can.

Benteke, Coutinho and Firmino all played well, but for Cech's heroics we'd have gone in at half time ahead.
I agree about the subs. Rossiter coming on was certainly a risk esp as Lucas had been excellent esp in that 1st half. Ibe was the only disappointing display, not that I mean to be over critical or anything, just adding it wasn't a good sub in the end, I'd rather have seen Danny Ings given some minutes.

Coutinho was so so close with 2 brilliant efforts that hit the woodwork and Benteke missed a sitter from 3 yards, albeit a great save from Cech - so lots to be positive about in that first half for sure.

Here's hoping for the same effort & commitment v WHU, for me, same personnel too.
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Old 25-08-2015, 22:54
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So, we have Carlisle in the draw, shame really, always had a soft spot for them!
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Old 25-08-2015, 23:47
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So Mario's off back to AC Milan. Strange, really, I thought they already had a striker but somehow he ended up there. I guess there is a place for Mario in this world afterall.
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Old 26-08-2015, 00:13
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So Mario's off back to AC Milan. Strange, really, I thought they already had a striker but somehow he ended up there. I guess there is a place for Mario in this world afterall.


And he didn't even have to go to Besiktas or wherever it was.
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Old 26-08-2015, 11:12
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Probably because after so much work done in the first 60 mins 3 games into the season it was difficult to maintain such pressing. Milner and Can looked dead on there feet.

Shows how fit Henderson is as he doesnt seem to get tired at all.

I thought the 18 year old didnt do too bad at all. He wa brought on to screen like Lucas did and seemed to do just fine.
3 games in and they already tired after one half of pressing? I could understand it after 70 minutes, but to not press straight after half time allowed Arsenal to play. We got more tired chasing the ball in the 2nd half.
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Old 26-08-2015, 13:01
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Ibe needs to go on loan. Aside from one run against Everton I'm really struggling to find decent performances and I suspect that woodwork shot against Everton was a result of players I wing nothing about Ibe.

There is a talent in there but he doesn't back himself enough. I guess we now know who is better between him and raheem though!

In terms of the game. It was an excellent performance from start to finish. Defensively we were superb and I think Rodgers can take huge credit. A point there is great for us. We've never really done well away to a Arsenal.

There really feels like there is something to build on this year! I'm actually looking forward to games again!
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Old 26-08-2015, 17:50
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3 games in and they already tired after one half of pressing? I could understand it after 70 minutes, but to not press straight after half time allowed Arsenal to play. We got more tired chasing the ball in the 2nd half.
Arsenal were more of a difficult team to play than our previous two opponents I guess. That can account for increased tiredness throughout the game.
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Old 26-08-2015, 18:22
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Arsenal were more of a difficult team to play than our previous two opponents I guess. That can account for increased tiredness throughout the game.
I'm not talking about late on in the game, of course you'll get tired, it just seemed that from the start of the 2nd half we didn't press high up the pitch. Arsenal, then found it easier to get into our half and play their little intricate passing game, which led to us chasing the ball more, meaning we got tired quicker.
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:08
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I'm not talking about late on in the game, of course you'll get tired, it just seemed that from the start of the 2nd half we didn't press high up the pitch. Arsenal, then found it easier to get into our half and play their little intricate passing game, which led to us chasing the ball more, meaning we got tired quicker.
Ok, thanks for explaining further.I guess Wenger had given them hair dryer treatment at half time about the amount of possession and probing we had managed in the first half.Do think that Rodgers now has a good blueprint for playing away this season and the points you've made are issues which can be improved and get us all three points on the road this campaign.
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Old 26-08-2015, 22:03
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I don't know if Arsenal's dominance at the start of the 2nd half was necessarily down to tiredness, but rather because we sat back, played deeper and just allowed Arsenal to play their football in the middle of the park. Even the few times we countered in that half, we didn't commit too many men forward. I guess Rodgers expected some kind of response from Arsenal following a poor first half and acted accordingly, which might have saved us from defeat, though I guess it could be seen as a little bit negative IF this indeed is what happened.
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Old 27-08-2015, 09:57
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I don't know if Arsenal's dominance at the start of the 2nd half was necessarily down to tiredness, but rather because we sat back, played deeper and just allowed Arsenal to play their football in the middle of the park. Even the few times we countered in that half, we didn't commit too many men forward. I guess Rodgers expected some kind of response from Arsenal following a poor first half and acted accordingly, which might have saved us from defeat, though I guess it could be seen as a little bit negative IF this indeed is what happened.
Yes, it looked to me like a combination of Arsenal coming out more energised and attack-minded while we came out more defensive as if BR was thinking more about protecting the point. It may well have been the right thing to do but I do also feel it was a little bit negative. Still, my biggest criticism of BR in the past was his disregard for the defense so I suppose I cannot have it both ways! There'll be no excuse against WHU though.
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Old 27-08-2015, 12:44
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I would say the last 20 mins we were looking to protect what we had and reverted to just trying to hit arsenal on the break but no way did we go out in the 2nd half with the intent to simply play for a draw.

Arsenal improved and pushed us back. I actually thought up until around 60 mins we were still the better side and then once fatigue started to kick in we really struggled to get up the pitch.
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Old 27-08-2015, 19:58
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This was posted by LFC Bible on Facebook:

Rumours of Balotelli's antics while at ‪#‎LFC‬:

* Was caught smoking with the grounds of the training centre; months after joining the club.
* Claimed not to know who Joe Allen was on a team bonding session.
* Refused to cooperate with the club's fitness coach.
* On one particularly bizarre occasion, Balotelli noticed prior to training that a teammate had taken delivery of a new iPhone 6. Not yet in possession of the latest Apple product, Mario was 'visibly irked' by this and later left the training session prematurely complaining of a tweaked hamstring.
When the rest of the squad returned to the changing room, they found Mario - seemingly recovered from his hamstring strain - sitting in the corner with a brand spanking new iPhone 6
* The night before Liverpool's Champions League game with Basel, Brendan Rodgers wasn't impressed at the size of the entourage that Balotelli invited into the team hotel many of them only leaving in the small hours of the morning.
* When Liverpool lost the game in Switzerland, he angered the Liverpool boss further by ignoring requests to applaud the club's fans for their support.
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Old 27-08-2015, 20:59
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Sakho has been dropped from the france squad.

deschamps said he had no choice as Sakho isnt playing any football.

Asked about Sakho’s omission from his 23-man squad, Deschamps said: “He is an important player who finds himself in a difficult position.

“Playing international matches when you have not played for your club for a month is difficult. I hope his situation improves.”
signed another player

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...s-sign-9939385

Liverpool are on the brink of completing a deal for Nigeria youth international striker Taiwo Awoniyi.

The 18-year-old frontman will sign for the Reds from Imperial Academy in his homeland and will then be sent out on a season-long loan.

Awoniyi has been scouted extensively by Kirkby Academy staff, who are delighted to have beaten off competition from the likes of Monaco and Porto to secure his signature.

However, Liverpool are currently unable to secure a work permit for him so he will spend this season at a club in either Belgium or Holland. The plan is for him to then link up with Michael Beale’s under-21s squad at the Academy next summer.

Awoniyi has represented Nigeria at under-15, under-17, under-20 and under-23 levels.

Nigeria Under-23s spokesman Timi Ebikagboro has confirmed that Awoniyi is currently missing a training camp ahead of the All Africa Games in order to fly to Merseyside to undergo a medical and pen his contract.
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Old 27-08-2015, 21:12
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Ok, thanks for explaining further.I guess Wenger had given them hair dryer treatment at half time about the amount of possession and probing we had managed in the first half.Do think that Rodgers now has a good blueprint for playing away this season and the points you've made are issues which can be improved and get us all three points on the road this campaign.
One final point on the game from me, if you had said a point at the start of the game, I would have taken it, however our first half performance was so dominant that had we come out in the second half a bit more positive we could have won the game. I can't remember the last time we beat Arsenal at their place, we've played well on a few occasions but all we've come away with is a point at most.

It's the same at Stamford Bridge against Jose's team. We seem to have a psychological problem getting over the line. This would have been a great way of overcoming that. We seem to be fine at Old Trafford.
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Old 27-08-2015, 22:20
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Markovic is going to fenerbahce on loan.
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Old 27-08-2015, 23:15
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Markovic is going to fenerbahce on loan.
Terrible news if true. Should be Ibe out on loan. I'd rather keep Markovic.
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Old 28-08-2015, 07:15
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/...loan-liverpool

No option to buy.
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Old 28-08-2015, 08:54
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Wonder who else we might see disappearing for a year. I get the feeling we're trying to clear out some players for financial rather than footballing reasons. I'll be seriously pissed off if Sakho goes over the weekend.
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Old 28-08-2015, 08:59
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This was posted by LFC Bible on Facebook:
I think the word 'rumours' was the important thing there. Sounds to me like someone not necessarily affiliated with the club is trying to justify the last 12 months of wasted wages and another 12 months at least of us paying him to play somewhere else. He was always going to be a gamble and IMO BR never gave him a real chance. Some of it may come down to 'attitude' but equally he was asked to fit into a system that didn't suit him at all. If Mario was a committee purchase then BR is absolved of most of the blame, though. By the looks of things this summer we've learned the lesson.
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Old 28-08-2015, 09:03
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Suggests this is for the players development.

The concern though is £20 mil was spent a year later we are sending him out for game time.
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Old 28-08-2015, 09:38
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Wonder who else we might see disappearing for a year. I get the feeling we're trying to clear out some players for financial rather than footballing reasons. I'll be seriously pissed off if Sakho goes over the weekend.
Wouldn't be surprised to see another offer come in for sakho. Being dropped from the French squad may see him push for the club to allow him to leave.
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Old 28-08-2015, 09:41
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Suggests this is for the players development.

The concern though is £20 mil was spent a year later we are sending him out for game time.
I hope there is a 'bring back' clause in the loan for Lazar in case we suffer from injuries, and we most certainly will. I am worried for Sakho, another that was brought in by the 'committee' last season who's career is in limbo.

That 'committee' did a lot of players no favours at all.
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