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Old 09-06-2015, 10:47
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Three different sides have won the title in the last 3 years and people seem to think Arsenal are ready to mount a serious challenge again (I'm not so sure). I think that's the point being made. I disagree though. Realistically Chelsea have to be massive favourites to win again.
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Old 09-06-2015, 15:15
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Taurus - is that list what you want to happen or what you think will happen?
It's more inclined to what I think will happen based on what I regard to be the more reliable stories and rumours.

Like you, I wouldn't be in a rush to let Lucas go, a player who continually proves himself useful and has plenty of experience of the league, the club and the city. Unless there's an abundance of injuries I just don't see where he gets game time in our midfield next season. Likewise in the attacking midfield, if we sign Kovacic, I think Lallana ( and Markovic) will struggle to get in the team.

If an offer came in for Lovren, I'd certainly be tempted to move him on. But I think after such a significant investment he'll be given another season, and as a left-side CB he's a decent back-up for Sakho- who does pick up injuries.
Coates I'm sure will be let go to make room in the squad. By all accounts Sunderland were quite pleased with him, so there might be an offer there if he wants to stay in the PL.
Ilori, how do we judge him when we've seen so little of him. I wouldn't want to let him go until we've seen him exposed to some English football, so a loan to the Championship could be good for him.
Wisdom has been out on loan and never disgraced himself. I would give him time in our squad, in fact i would probably have given him a place over Toure, but I understand that Kolo has that wealth of experience that we're a bit short of.

As for Borini, you can certainly argue he hasn't had that much time on the pitch, but he has had his chances and he's never really convinced me that he should be starting more often. Now with us bringing in Ings and Origi, there really is no place for him left in the squad. There's whispers of interest coming from Lazio, which would be a great opportunity for him if true.

As for FSG, well they just don't throw money around do they. Historically their average net spend in a transfer window is about £30m. And with the money they are putting into the stadium, I don't think that will change much this window. That means if we want that better quality striker to finish our squad off, we'll need to sell a few players to raise some decent money. Skrtel is the interesting one; do we need his experience and aggressive style in the team. And if we do: do we give him his long deal, or like Johnson, just let him run out his contract for one more year? As we've found out, good CB's are hard to get. (though Marc Bartra at Barca is highly rated and might be available relatively cheaply; if we could get him-even on loan- I might take the risk and let Skrtel go for some cash this summer)
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Old 09-06-2015, 22:45
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Old 09-06-2015, 23:26
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Three different sides have won the title in the last 3 years and people seem to think Arsenal are ready to mount a serious challenge again (I'm not so sure). I think that's the point being made. I disagree though. Realistically Chelsea have to be massive favourites to win again.
One of those was Utd in the last season of Fergie, where he was more determined than ever to win another league title. That could still be the last title won outside City and Chelsea for some hears.

Hand on heart I think Arsenal and Utd are as far off winning the title as we are off the top four.People seem to taking too much notice of the signings they are rumoured to be making this summer.As between every other season, the tabloids will throw every name under the sun out there but each year 95% of those rumours don't turn out to be true.

Van Gaal has a great deal of experience overseas but most of his recent club achievements have been in the Dutch league.Juggling the league and CL fixtures will be new to him as a MUFC'S manager at least.They made it back into the top 4 but are one hell of a long way off having a fear factor to opponents.

Arsenal's confidence is high after a fine second half to the season and another FA Cup win. Another average start to the league season again and the pressure will ratchet right up on Wenger.Their return to being apparent title challengers, seems to be based on an away win at City who were up and down all campaign.Plus the heavy defeat of us at the Emirates and the cup final against another mid table side in Villa.

It's probably a good thing that our expectations are lowered at LFC going in to the new season.Should we give up on even thinking about the top four though, absolutely not!!!
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Old 10-06-2015, 15:18
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Liverpool FC have confirmed the summer departures of Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson and Brad Jones - while midfielders Jordan Lussey and Marc Pelosi have also left the club.

The Premier League have revealed the players who are on the retained and released lists of the 20 top-flight clubs, with Lussey and Pelosi joining the trio of senior players who have already announced their departures.

Lussey, 20, has been with the Academy since 2002, and joined Bolton on a youth loan earlier in the season.

Pelosi - who caught the eye of Reds scouts at the Under-17 World Cup in 2011 - had been tipped for big things with the US national team, but saw his development curtailed after breaking his leg.

The 20-year-old, who can play anywhere on the left side of defence or midfield, featured for the U-21s this season.

Gerrard will move to LA Galaxy next month, while Johnson and Jones remain without new clubs at this moment.
Good luck to all of them. Johnson caught A LOT of flak in his time here, and to be fair he was abysmal during his final 2 seasons with us. But overall, I think he served the club very well, and was one of our best players during a very grim time for the club. I remember his home debut vs. Stoke well where he was brilliant and scored a wonderful scissor kick. Who could forget that 87th minute winner at Stamford Bridge as well? What a moment.

As for Jones, well he was never good enough for us really, and it's surprising he was with us for as long as he was, but I really hope he joins a decent team from here. He had his moments, most memorably being the penalty save against Blackburn not long after his son died, followed by the FA Cup Semi Final Derby. He earned that moment, he seems like a genuinely nice fella who's been through a lot.
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Old 10-06-2015, 20:51
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Ibe is supposedly spending the summer doing extra improvement. Trained today with Alex Inglethorps and King Kenny. I like his attitude.

Although a summer playing football with the King himself would sound like a holiday to me, so he's not exactly missing out.
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Old 11-06-2015, 13:55
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Reports all over Twitter that we will announce their 3rd signing of the summer sometime this week or early next, another free transfer, Bogdan from Bolton to come in as back up GK.

Fair to say I can't find many fans happy about the deal, I'm in two minds, obviously people are expecting a bigger name, Cech being one, however I've seen him play quite a bit and always thought he was a good keeper, any opinions?
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Old 11-06-2015, 15:47
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One of those was Utd in the last season of Fergie, where he was more determined than ever to win another league title. That could still be the last title won outside City and Chelsea for some hears.

Hand on heart I think Arsenal and Utd are as far off winning the title as we are off the top four.People seem to taking too much notice of the signings they are rumoured to be making this summer.As between every other season, the tabloids will throw every name under the sun out there but each year 95% of those rumours don't turn out to be true.

Van Gaal has a great deal of experience overseas but most of his recent club achievements have been in the Dutch league.Juggling the league and CL fixtures will be new to him as a MUFC'S manager at least.They made it back into the top 4 but are one hell of a long way off having a fear factor to opponents.

Arsenal's confidence is high after a fine second half to the season and another FA Cup win. Another average start to the league season again and the pressure will ratchet right up on Wenger.Their return to being apparent title challengers, seems to be based on an away win at City who were up and down all campaign.Plus the heavy defeat of us at the Emirates and the cup final against another mid table side in Villa.

It's probably a good thing that our expectations are lowered at LFC going in to the new season.Should we give up on even thinking about the top four though, absolutely not!!!
Villa aren't a mid table side and neither are we, Villa finished fourth from bottom, while we finished sixth, which is the top third of the table.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:03
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We will be mid-table next season.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:19
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Reports all over Twitter that we will announce their 3rd signing of the summer sometime this week or early next, another free transfer, Bogdan from Bolton to come in as back up GK.

Fair to say I can't find many fans happy about the deal, I'm in two minds, obviously people are expecting a bigger name, Cech being one, however I've seen him play quite a bit and always thought he was a good keeper, any opinions?
I think fans are happy with mignolet to be honest. Don't see many complaining that we not in for cech.

Also Sky sources are saying we turned down £25m plus £5m in add ons for sterling from city.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:43
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Also Sky sources are saying we turned down £25m plus £5m in add ons for sterling from city.
That's probably what he's worth right now, given the inflated prices of young, English players these days. But the club will undoubtedly feel that we can get a lot more for him, and I agree. SOMEONE will pay vastly over the odds for him, I have no doubts.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:56
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We will be mid-table next season.
Mid table is 9th,10th, 11th or so - seeing as we have not finished lower than 8th since 1964 - over 50 years - can I suggest that you may be being a tad pessimistic - again.

I expect us to be 5th - or 6th or maybe 7th at the lowest which is not mid table in my eyes - but if anyone can break into the top 4 it will be us. Ask me again when I see who we and others have signed before the end of the window.

I think fans are happy with mignolet to be honest. Don't see many complaining that we not in for cech.

Also Sky sources are saying we turned down £25m plus £5m in add ons for sterling from city.
Totally agree re the keeper situation - Migs with Bogdan as back up is fine.

MCFC are cheeky aren't they - not long ago Pellegrini talked of 100m for Sterling but now when it comes to making an offer its 25m - I am sure they will come back with more - I want us to hang on for a bit but in the end to sell for as much as we can get - over 40m and nearer 50m I think is realistic. Depending on the club too I think we have to look closely at possible exchanges. It has never been made clear if we asked for Sanchez when Barca signed Luis - but if we didn't we should have done.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:56
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I would usually say cash in for 25mil he ain't worth that, just worried how BR will spend it.
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Old 11-06-2015, 23:57
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That's probably what he's worth right now, given the inflated prices of young, English players these days. But the club will undoubtedly feel that we can get a lot more for him, and I agree. SOMEONE will pay vastly over the odds for him, I have no doubts.
I do.

I genuinely think that you'll struggle to get more than £30m for him.

Even £30m is a bit of a punt. Yes, he's young, English and talented, but his overt desire to leave will hit his value big time.

I honestly think that he'll be playing for you, next season.
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Old 12-06-2015, 00:36
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We will be mid-table next season.
Liverpool could sign Lionel Messi and you would still moan.

I only see sterling going if the club has identified a replacement and can get said replacement.

If not he will stay regardless what a club offers.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:36
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I do.

I genuinely think that you'll struggle to get more than £30m for him.

Even £30m is a bit of a punt. Yes, he's young, English and talented, but his overt desire to leave will hit his value big time.

I honestly think that he'll be playing for you, next season.
It depends on if Liverpool can get some sort of auction going, if they can then that will be to their advantage.

I do think it would be best for him for the time being to stay put, as this is where he will get the most first team action in this very crucial developmental stage of his career.
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Old 12-06-2015, 06:30
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:29
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Hilarious how LFC fans don't rate Sterling. Say he shoots like a girl, Ibe's better etc etc. Yet they want £40m for him! Utterly bizarre behaviour.
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Old 12-06-2015, 09:34
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Another great signing Bolton keeper, just hurry up the season so we can end it.
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Old 12-06-2015, 09:59
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Another great signing Bolton keeper, just hurry up the season so we can end it.
Brad jones has left and we need a number 2 GK. What is wrong with this Bolton GK?
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Old 12-06-2015, 10:07
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Brad jones has left and we need a number 2 GK. What is wrong with this Bolton GK?
It's probably because he's not very good.

Not that it really matters. He won't be seeing very much time on the pitch, and he's a SLIGHT upugrade on Brad Jones, if only slightly. This really only goes to prove Rodgers' faith in Mignolet really, he'll be breathing a huge sigh of relief that the #1 spot isn't gonna be up for grabs.

@Seelee: It's not a case of wanting £40mil because that's what we think he's worth, it's a case of wanting £40mil because we know that teams are liable to pay over the odds for young, English talent. It's not really that bizarre, especially given the way the media like to hype him.
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Old 12-06-2015, 10:33
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Hilarious how LFC fans don't rate Sterling. Say he shoots like a girl, Ibe's better etc etc. Yet they want £40m for him! Utterly bizarre behaviour.
Sterling's finishing has continued to be poor but I haven't heard any LFC supporter say Ibe is better.That's a ludicrous comparison as Jordan has only just broken into the first team.

Many of our support are incredibly frustrated at how this whole sorry saga has played out and why Stirling seems so utterly controlled by his agent.

Given his age,potential and the transfer market of recent summers, isn't £40m a reasonable price to expect.Suarez showed form for us which Stirling can only currently dream of but he is younger.Is £35m less than the man we sold to Barcelona not a reasonable starting point for negotiation?

If he fully develops his potential at another club, when we sell him for only £25m then we'll have been taken to the cleaners.
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Old 12-06-2015, 10:36
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Villa aren't a mid table side and neither are we, Villa finished fourth from bottom, while we finished sixth, which is the top third of the table.
Mid table is 9th,10th, 11th or so - seeing as we have not finished lower than 8th since 1964 - over 50 years - can I suggest that you may be being a tad pessimistic - again.

I expect us to be 5th - or 6th or maybe 7th at the lowest which is not mid table in my eyes - but if anyone can break into the top 4 it will be us. Ask me again when I see who we and others have signed before the end of the window.


Fair points you both make but anything outside the top four and bottom three is 'mid table' for me.
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Old 12-06-2015, 10:40
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Borini's a cheeky get; moaning about feeling trapped at Anfield and not getting chances to play. He was told last season he could go and we even accepted a bid from Sunderland (he did quite well there on loan) but he refused to leave >: (
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Old 12-06-2015, 10:52
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I thought £30m was a realistic enough price for Sterling so I'm quite happy for the club to try and hang out for £40m/ £40m+ if they think they can get it. It might have been nice if City had waited until after the England game though, Sterling has had enough to deal with already; I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the bench this weekend.

The last few days I've also noted we've been linked quite a bit with Real's Russian winger Cheryshev for around £22m. I guess he could be being looked at as a replacement for Sterling ( though rumours about Markovic leaving as well) . I have to admit I don't know much about him and can't remember seeing him play. Anyone know about him, is he worth a punt?

The same with Bogdan, I don't really know that much about him, but I'm not surprised that's the level of player we're looking at for our #2 'keeper. I thought, and was hoping, we might look at David Marshall for the job.
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