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Old 29-08-2015, 17:12
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Rodgers on lovren pre match

"But for Dejan, he’s much more patient in his game now,he’s got the stability of playing. He’s in the team and he’s in because he had a good pre-season so he’s in good condition. He’s focused but he's also a bit more relaxed in his position.”

*facepalm*
This kind of blind faith in Lovren is a complete joke . He is utter shite and has been from day 1 and at this rate Lovren will get him sacked .
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:15
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Rodgers should just resign.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:16
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Rodgers should just resign.
He won't and he won't get sacked with either. We can't get rid of this clown.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:19
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Rodgers should just resign.

If he had any plans to do that it would of been the end of last season .
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:24
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Can Lovren now **** off please? I don't know why the **** Rodgers is stubbornly sticking by him, it was obvious to most Liverpool fans that it was only a matter of time before he did something calamitous. It's also obvious that Sakho is the much MUCH better defender and footballer, so why Lovren is starting games ahead of him is a ****ing mystery.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:33
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"Disappointment at the result but looking at positives over the first four games"

FFS Rodgers, stop being in denial at how poor we are too often under you as a manager.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:43
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Another very poor home performance and this one leads to a shocker of a result. At this stage of the season I have absolutely no desire to get on BR's back, but in all seriousness he simply cannot afford many more Anfield displays/ results like this one. He must get some home form back and do it quickly.

Coutinho missing for the Utd game is a major blow and Sturridge won't have any match fitness/sharpness to be properly ready for that game. It's going to be a real problem.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:53
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Nothing positive to say the team played poorly and you have to hand it to West Ham. They played well.
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Old 29-08-2015, 20:58
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2 goals scored in our opening 4 goals tells the story. If we can't score and the defense has a bad day, this is the result.
Agreed, 2 goals scored hasn't exactly been convincing and one was off side.
Indeed. Not good enough, 80m spent pre season to have 1 shot on target v a "on paper" poor West Ham team missing their No.1 goalkeeper. 4 games 2 goals..and to think sellee said Bournemouth were toothelss upfront lol, needs to look closer to home!

Seems we continue to struggle with getting up for the so called lesser teams

There were many positives to the arsenal game but to go backwards so soon following that is not good to say the least, could and realistically should have been sitting 2nd in the table tonight.
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Old 29-08-2015, 21:07
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Indeed. Not good enough, 80m spent pre season to have 1 shot on target v a "on paper" poor West Ham team missing their No.1 goalkeeper. 4 games 2 goals..and to think sellee said Bournemouth were toothelss upfront lol, needs to look closer to home!

Seems we continue to struggle with getting up for the so called lesser teams

There were many positives to the arsenal game but to go backwards so soon following that is not good to say the least, could and realistically should have been sitting 2nd in the table tonight.
It won't get any better with our trip to Old Trafford in 2 weeks. Unlike us Man U don't fook up at home
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Old 29-08-2015, 21:16
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In some ways maybe I should just leave it tonight but I will attempt a respond to what happened today.

I have been far from convinced by the team and manager since the start of last season really and at the end of last season felt he had to go but over the summer with the comings and goings on and off the field I had calmed down and was fine to let him carry on. I would have to say that the first 3 games points wise have been excellent - 2 wins and a good draw away at a top team and cos of that I felt fairly sure we would win today and did not see it coming at all. After all WH had not won at Anfield for 50 years and recently struggled to beat the 3rd placed team in Malta in a EL tie but the reality is that even tho the results have been good the displays have not been. So todays reality check should have some as no surprise. The truth is that in the PL most teams can beat most other teams and we are not stand out team at all so I think we can expect more days like this. In fact we are so inconsistent that I would worry if we played Accrington Stanley - or Carlisle for that matter. Or Sion. Or Bordeaux. Or Rubin Kazan. Or anyone else for that matter.

What should we do? Not overreact that's one but I really do want to see Lovren out of the team - many of us think it is obvious that Sakho and Skrtel are our best CB pair and why BR can't see that I have no idea. Secondly I think we need to start to learn not to go too OTT with praise of players or results as it can come back to bite you - like today has done. People love to see LFC lose - maybe cos of the way some of our fans are - and we will be the brunt of much hilarity today that's for sure so in future try to hold back any gloating and OTT statements of what we are going to do. I do hope BR can turn it around as a new manager coming in will lead to more disruption and probably not the instant success we all crave. I think above results I am interested in performances and if they are not better by Christmas then I think the club has a duty to look closely as to whether we may be better off under another manager but up to then we have to stand by him and hope that the new signings click together quickly.

What do I want from LFC performances? Number one = results but that is closely followed by being entertained and so even though I was not very entertained by the first 3 games I overlooked it as we got the results but if start playing poorly and losing then that is when I would be very concerned. I would also have to say that at times BR is a bit snobby - not sure that is the right word but I will try to explain - about style of play. He wants us to be a passing team who presses a lot - fine but in the process do not bore us to death as frankly many LFC performances in the last year have bored me. We need to see the movement off the ball to give the player on the ball good options so we do not have to pass it across the back 4 six times before we can offer a forward pass. The season before last we were so entertaining and now we have totally regressed on that - OK there is no Suarez now and he was the key to it all but it should be a style of play and not over dependent on one individual. Maybe a fit and fully firing Sturridge integrated with the best of our new lads can help deliver what we need - lets hope so!!
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Old 29-08-2015, 21:51
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It won't get any better with our trip to Old Trafford in 2 weeks. Unlike us Man U don't fook up at home
We lost to Arsenal (cup) Swansea and West Brom at home last season.

I'm not counting any chickens.
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Old 29-08-2015, 22:57
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I as angry as the next fan about today's result but to lay it all at Rodgers' door is too easy.

The usual suspects will, of course, do that as it suits their agenda.

We were done by a counter-attacking team (which is not a phenomenon unique to us it seems - it's a growing trend in football here generally). Rodgers has a part to play - once we went 1-0 or 2-0 down, it demanded a second striker, especially at home. The trend for one striker has infested the Premier League but teams should be braver at home and use two or the increase in away wins will remain. Other teams are suffering the same fate (Arsenal were done by West Ham too and Palace were ideally set up to grab three points from Chelsea).

We are suffering from the loss of Sterling's pace and directness. Easy to defend against - that's why we are desperate for a fit Sturridge to start pulling defenders around and creating space for others. He'd feed off Benteke very effectively so I'm not joining the small group of fans who suggest Benteke was the wrong signing.

Coutinho has got off lightly today - it was an unnecessary risk of a challenge and killed any hope we had. The players need to be accountable too. He is our key creative force and was poor before the red. The players shouldn't need Rodgers to get them fired up for each and every game - they need to be self motivated too.

We need Henderson back too as Lucas, Can and Milner are less effective going forward as a unit. Lucas is particularly blunt in that respect and three relatively one-paced destructive players in midfield at home just attracts counter-attacks.

I agree Rodgers is not helping his cause but I'm not convinced any other manager we could attract would totally transform things either. We're having to gamble on attacking players as the sure-fire successes just won't join us - it'll take time to gel as a team given the new personnel and we'll have a better idea by Christmas whether it's working or not.

Rodgers just needs to be braver at home - but so do the players.
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:03
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Benteke should never of been signed , a lot of people said he would not fit our style of play and he is not convincing me otherwise at the moment .


It is still very early days but he has yet to change my opinion of him so far .
No striker we've had has ever looked particularly good when we've played 433. We just don't create much when we play it. Why Rodgers persists with it is beyond me.

I do wonder what the Rodgers apologists are saying now though. Last season it was "he deserves a full season with a fit striker." Well now he's got a £32m striker who's well suited to the PL, £10m Origi on the bench, and Ings who will cost us a few million also on the bench. He's going to have to do a lot better.

We've scored 2 goals in 4 games. Rodgers is in his 4th season so the team should now be absolutely certain of what he wants from them. I don't know how long he's got left but results like this will only hasten his exit.
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:03
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To be honest, it'll take something along the lines of the ten game winning streak the season before last to get me backing Rodgers again.

All I'm hoping for at Old Trafford is a performance similar to that at the Emirates.We seemed to have a lot of the ball there last season but still lost 3-0 after typical defensive woes.Another huge test for Rodgers and the squad that seems to now have more of his input towards transfers and backrom staff. A poor display again next game and we really will be back in a rut.
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:26
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The Mirror site says Sturridge won't be back until November.
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Old 30-08-2015, 01:01
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I have not said this anywhere (and I do post about LFC and football in a few other places - mainly FB sites) but I want to give an honest opinion about Coutinho in general and one or two recent incidents in particular.

I hope people do not read it as too negative as I like him and think he is our best player and has been BRs best buy in terms of value for money - 8m was a snip. But he can go missing in games and sometimes does not contribute much so I do not feel like I can be sure he is going to turn it on in a game. I also think he should have had more criticism for his role in the goal V Bournemouth. He was way offside - maybe 5 yards and he must have had the new interpretation of offside explained to him so why did he go for the ball? - very daft!! If he had used his footballing brain all this talk by the media, Eddie Howe and even the PL themselves about the fact that LFCs goal should not have been allowed would have been avoided.

Then today and the sending off? - the first yellow again was daft and 100% avoidable - why not just get back the 10 yards mate!! - getting it in the first half meant that he was one mistimed tackle from red and so it proved. Having said that I think the second yellow was a poor decision by the ref as he just went to ground to tackle and the guy turned and ran over his prostrate body and to me there was no intent from PC as it could not have been avoided. Questionable if it was a foul but certainly not worthy of a yellow imo.

So there is a lot good about Coutinho but some areas of concern too - I do like his attitude tho as he seems committed to the LFC cause so lets hope it is a while before so called bigger teams come calling - and that maybe even by that time we have improved enough for him to want to stay at LFC rather than move on.
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Old 30-08-2015, 01:42
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I think Coutinho is obviously a very good player but he is far from perfect and isn't at that top level yet. The truth is, and I dont mean this disrespectfully, if he was he probably wouldnt be at Liverpool. The good thing is he is only 23 and as he is at Liverpool already he could get closer to that level whilst play for you which can only be to your benefit.
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Old 30-08-2015, 09:10
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I have not said this anywhere (and I do post about LFC and football in a few other places - mainly FB sites) but I want to give an honest opinion about Coutinho in general and one or two recent incidents in particular.

I hope people do not read it as too negative as I like him and think he is our best player and has been BRs best buy in terms of value for money - 8m was a snip. But he can go missing in games and sometimes does not contribute much so I do not feel like I can be sure he is going to turn it on in a game. I also think he should have had more criticism for his role in the goal V Bournemouth. He was way offside - maybe 5 yards and he must have had the new interpretation of offside explained to him so why did he go for the ball? - very daft!! If he had used his footballing brain all this talk by the media, Eddie Howe and even the PL themselves about the fact that LFCs goal should not have been allowed would have been avoided.

Then today and the sending off? - the first yellow again was daft and 100% avoidable - why not just get back the 10 yards mate!! - getting it in the first half meant that he was one mistimed tackle from red and so it proved. Having said that I think the second yellow was a poor decision by the ref as he just went to ground to tackle and the guy turned and ran over his prostrate body and to me there was no intent from PC as it could not have been avoided. Questionable if it was a foul but certainly not worthy of a yellow imo.

So there is a lot good about Coutinho but some areas of concern too - I do like his attitude tho as he seems committed to the LFC cause so lets hope it is a while before so called bigger teams come calling - and that maybe even by that time we have improved enough for him to want to stay at LFC rather than move on.
I said the same thing to my son, his initial challenge missed because the west ham player spun out of the challenge, there was no contact. The secondary movement by the west ham player was towards PC and away from the ball and he made contact with PC not the other way round. It was no foul and no yellow. What surprises me is there was no analysis and non of the pundits picked up on this.
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Old 30-08-2015, 09:44
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The reports on our matches so far tell a pretty sorry story frankly - these are just the headlines that put it all into perspective. I did say that losing Hendo to injury will cost us dear - we may not notice him a lot, but he does do an amazing job on the pitch.
I hope he gets time to mend, and is NOT called up for any internationals this break.

Actually, does anyone know who could be going on International duty this break? The more we have at Melwood learning how to get it right, the better!
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Stoke: Philippe Coutinho's stunning long-range strike gave Liverpool a late victory over Stoke on the opening weekend. The match was a lacklustre Premier League encounter until the Brazilian's magic four minutes from the end.

Bournemouth: Christian Benteke's controversial winner on his Anfield debut ensured Liverpool maintained their 100% start to the new season with an unconvincing victory over Premier League newcomers Bournemouth.

Arsenal: What you can take from this is that if Arsenal are expecting to get into top four then why can't Liverpool, because both teams were equally as good as each other.

West Ham: West Ham won their first league match at Anfield since 1963 and inflicted a first loss of the season on Liverpool in a game featuring two red cards.
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Old 30-08-2015, 11:58
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I as angry as the next fan about today's result but to lay it all at Rodgers' door is too easy.

We need Henderson back too as Lucas, Can and Milner are less effective going forward as a unit. Lucas is particularly blunt in that respect and three relatively one-paced destructive players in midfield at home just attracts counter-attacks.

I agree Rodgers is not helping his cause but I'm not convinced any other manager we could attract would totally transform things either. We're having to gamble on attacking players as the sure-fire successes just won't join us - it'll take time to gel as a team given the new personnel and we'll have a better idea by Christmas whether it's working or not.

Rodgers just needs to be braver at home - but so do the players.
Well Lucas has played a couple of telling balls to our forwards in the two games he has played, he put Coutinho in v Arsenal and then played a lovely floating ball up to the big man benteke who decided he'd just go down like a sack of spuds and play for the pen instead. Therefore I think you are wrong to single him out for that criticism based on his 2 appearances.
When he spends 80M he should get better out of the team than a 3 nil home loss to a team who have lost at home to Bournemouth the previous week. There is a difference between totally transforming things and having a paltry one shot at home to a below mid table team!
I hope people do not read it as too negative as I like him and think he is our best player and has been BRs best buy in terms of value for money - 8m was a snip. But he can go missing in games and sometimes does not contribute much so I do not feel like I can be sure he is going to turn it on in a game. I also think he should have had more criticism for his role in the goal V Bournemouth. He was way offside - maybe 5 yards and he must have had the new interpretation of offside explained to him so why did he go for the ball? - very daft!! If he had used his footballing brain all this talk by the media, Eddie Howe and even the PL themselves about the fact that LFCs goal should not have been allowed would have been avoided.

Then today and the sending off? - the first yellow again was daft and 100% avoidable - why not just get back the 10 yards mate!! - getting it in the first half meant that he was one mistimed tackle from red and so it proved. Having said that I think the second yellow was a poor decision by the ref as he just went to ground to tackle and the guy turned and ran over his prostrate body and to me there was no intent from PC as it could not have been avoided. Questionable if it was a foul but certainly not worthy of a yellow imo.

So there is a lot good about Coutinho but some areas of concern too - I do like his attitude tho as he seems committed to the LFC cause so lets hope it is a while before so called bigger teams come calling - and that maybe even by that time we have improved enough for him to want to stay at LFC rather than move on.
For me Alan, Coutinho is a Luis Garcia - you have to take the bad with the good as overall its worth it.
On his 1st yellow, I thought it was for dissent, not for not retreating for the free kick??
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Old 30-08-2015, 13:25
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I hate to be really critical, we can say the team had players missing but we still had very expensive players playing yesterday who at times could not even do the basics, like place simple passes.

There was no effort in their play, no desire at times - don't want to pick on any individual.

If we lose the next game then I don't want to hear the excuse, it's because Coutinho is not playing. Some fans already saying that on twitter I read! Lovely attitude to have. I only hope the team gets motivated and has a belief they can win/do better.

I have to admit some of Rodgers comments after the game is cringeworthy. When we had the opportunity to bring Paco back to help with the coaching (which was the big rumour during the summer) we should have grabbed him. Would have been a great addition to the staff working along side the manager.
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Old 30-08-2015, 13:29
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Can Lovren now **** off please? I don't know why the **** Rodgers is stubbornly sticking by him, it was obvious to most Liverpool fans that it was only a matter of time before he did something calamitous. It's also obvious that Sakho is the much MUCH better defender and footballer, so why Lovren is starting games ahead of him is a ****ing mystery.
To be fair, Skrtel made the first key mistake (for the pivotal first goal). Lovren has improved but sadly every mistake he makes is magnified due to his dismal form last season. Eventually, I'd like to see Gomez and Sakho paired in the centre perhaps with Skrtel in a three. The latter is the only way we'll accommodate two forwards in the side without weakening our midfield.
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Old 30-08-2015, 16:46
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Most of you on here have moaned whether we win or lose this season. Personally I can't see that changing until Rodgers is gone. It seems many have made their mind up and won't change. Irrespective of results. The evidence is there from the first 4 games.

If say Klopp had been in charge this season I doubt there would be as much dissent. I just wish people would own up to their agendas.
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Old 30-08-2015, 16:52
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By the way I'm not saying yesterday was great either. It was awful. Personally I don't see why we would play a DM at home. We only need a DM at tough away grounds. Mind you lots of people wanted Lucas to play so it was hadly a surprise move.

We could go and win at Old Trafford. We probably will. Even after that I doubt people will come round to Rodgers though. Real shame that some of the fanbase don't support the manager despite their thoughts about him.
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