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Old 01-09-2015, 15:34
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That is my major gripe with us. For some reason we press high up the pitch in certain games and not in other games, we should be doing it in every game. The higher up the pitch you win the ball back, the better the chance of scoring.
Yes that is a concern. I wouldnt call us a high pressing team as game to game it seems to change.

Then again I dont think we can really do that as long as Skrtel and Mignolet are in defence. Mignolet is just not cut out to play as a keeper who will march to the edge of his box as the team goes forward.

I am worried Rodgers is tying to be too pragmatic and abandoned his own ideas which explains why the ball is going back to front so quickly.
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Old 01-09-2015, 16:40
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Yes that is a concern. I wouldnt call us a high pressing team as game to game it seems to change.

Then again I dont think we can really do that as long as Skrtel and Mignolet are in defence. Mignolet is just not cut out to play as a keeper who will march to the edge of his box as the team goes forward.

I am worried Rodgers is tying to be too pragmatic and abandoned his own ideas which explains why the ball is going back to front so quickly.
Sakho should be 1st choice at the back.

When everyone is fit, I'm not sure what formation we are going to play. 2 up front would be ideal, but who plays in the middle then?
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:04
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Sakho should be 1st choice at the back.

When everyone is fit, I'm not sure what formation we are going to play. 2 up front would be ideal, but who plays in the middle then?
I would guess Milner, Henderson, Coutinho and Firminho.

4-3-3 but Sturridge doesnt likle playing wide.
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:11
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:41
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Shades of here we go yet again if it is true. It'll look more like another write off of a season again already and more mid table mediocrity.
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:41
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Well, it wouldn't be a huge loss given his performances so far.
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:43
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Well, it wouldn't be a huge loss given his performances so far.
It'd mean another option gone plus Ings and Origi having to step up to the plate very quickly if we're still waiting on Sturridge. Who is hugely prone to regular injury himself.
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Old 01-09-2015, 17:58
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Well, it wouldn't be a huge loss given his performances so far.
He's not the problem - needs others to feed off him better and we've hardly created an avalanche of chances for him.
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Old 01-09-2015, 18:52
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He's not the problem - needs others to feed off him better and we've hardly created an avalanche of chances for him.
Exactly. To write him off after 4 games is absurd.

Llori looks to be going on loan to villa.

Doubt the player signed up for being sent on loan 3 years on the trot. Why sign him?
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Old 01-09-2015, 19:34
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Benteke isn't the problem. I think it's the way we're playing, something isn't right about it. Him being injured isn't a blessing or something to be pleased about.
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Old 02-09-2015, 00:25
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Exactly. To write him off after 4 games is absurd.

Llori looks to be going on loan to villa.

Doubt the player signed up for being sent on loan 3 years on the trot. Why sign him?
Apparently, the loan is with an option to purchase for between 4-6 million too. If he does well, he could be on his way at the end of the season, which is a shame, because we've never really given him a chance!
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:59
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Apparently, the loan is with an option to purchase for between 4-6 million too. If he does well, he could be on his way at the end of the season, which is a shame, because we've never really given him a chance!
This is something that does annoy me about our 'transfers'. We buy in new players to great fanfare extolling their amazing talents - to never see or hear of them again, until they are shipped out. I don't honestly recall Llori playing a match for us, and all I can see is that we have treated the lad like sh*t.

For the record he is the 17th player we have loaned out this summer - what the freak is going on?
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:55
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This is something that does annoy me about our 'transfers'. We buy in new players to great fanfare extolling their amazing talents - to never see or hear of them again, until they are shipped out. I don't honestly recall Llori playing a match for us, and all I can see is that we have treated the lad like sh*t.

For the record he is the 17th player we have loaned out this summer - what the freak is going on?

Agree totally, we might as well save the money and buy proven players. The amount of players that have come and gone through our doors since the days of Rafa is extraordinary.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:21
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Our summer in a nutshell - the 'Outs' read like a horror story to me!

Players in:
Christian Benteke (Aston Villa), Roberto Firmino (Hoffenheim), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Joe Gomez (Charlton), Allan (Internacional), James Milner (Manchester City), Danny Ings (Burnley), Adam Bogdan (Bolton), Taiwo Awoniyi (Imperial Academy)

Players out:
Raheem Sterling (Man City), Fabio Borini (Sunderland), Iago Aspas (Sevilla), Tiago Ilori (Aston Villa, Loan) Rickie Lambert (West Brom), Sebastian Coates (Sunderland), Glen Johnson (Stoke), Steven Gerrard (LA Galaxy), Andre Wisdom (Norwich, Loan), Lloyd Jones (Blackpool, Loan), Jordan Williams (Swindon, Loan), Kevin Stewart (Swindon, Loan), Brad Jones (Bradford City), Javi Manquillo (Atletico Madrid, Loan terminated), Danny Ward (Aberdeen, Loan), Sheyi Ojo (Wolves, Loan), Lawrence Vigouroux (Swindon, Loan), Taiwo Awoniyi (FSV Frankfurt, Loan), Samed Yesil (FC Luzern)
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:28
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This is something that does annoy me about our 'transfers'. We buy in new players to great fanfare extolling their amazing talents - to never see or hear of them again, until they are shipped out. I don't honestly recall Llori playing a match for us, and all I can see is that we have treated the lad like sh*t.

For the record he is the 17th player we have loaned out this summer - what the freak is going on?
Chelsea do the same thing, but tend to do it well, because they manage to sell on the players later, it's can work quite well if done right.

Luis Alberto is another one who wasn't really given a chance. I'm gonna guess he's out on loan somewhere..
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:29
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Has Allan been involved in your match day squads so far this season?
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:02
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Has Allan been involved in your match day squads so far this season?
No; he got injured playing against Swindon in the pre-season.
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:09
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Transfer window over:
Lucas, stays
Moreno, stays
Sakho, stays
Enrique, stays??

Well, it could have been a lot worse, I suppose.

As I said earlier in the summer, keeping Toure around was always going to cost a squad place for either Wisdom or Ilori. As it turns out because Gomez has shone, they've both had to go somewhere else to play. I saw Ilori in the u21 game with Everton and thought that with his movement and tackling ability he'd make a good defensive midfielder...if only he could pass the ball better. I hope he gets some decent games in at Villa.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:47
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If Ilori does leave at the end of the season, that would mean we signed him for 7m and he never played for our first team. I wonder how many times in our history we've bought a player for money and sold him without ever playing for us.

A lot of hype about the Allan signing. Won't be surprised if he never plays for us either!
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Old 02-09-2015, 13:22
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Not bad business at all. Ings could see an exta say £7 mil on the money going out but still net spend wont hit £20 mil.
21M total net spend according to the Liverpool Echo
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Old 02-09-2015, 13:33
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Chelsea do the same thing, but tend to do it well, because they manage to sell on the players later, it's can work quite well if done right.

Luis Alberto is another one who wasn't really given a chance. I'm gonna guess he's out on loan somewhere..
Chelsea have like 33 players out on loan. Its absurd and to me the rules need changing. I dont think clubs should be able to all and purposes have a 2nd squad out on loan. It is being abused and basically allows teams to buy players just so nobody else can have them as they can just send them on loan.
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Old 02-09-2015, 14:22
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Chelsea have like 33 players out on loan. Its absurd and to me the rules need changing. I dont think clubs should be able to all and purposes have a 2nd squad out on loan. It is being abused and basically allows teams to buy players just so nobody else can have them as they can just send them on loan.
More than that though imo, is that players careers are being disrupted and ruined while teams play silly moronic games with them and their futures. I understand running a club is a business, and most owners are in it to make a profit, but, a reputation as career wreckers isn't going to do us any favours when seriously looking for the best talent.

We have to rid ourselves of this idea of buying future talent for money balling, and seriously look at buying in players who are proven good enough for the first team. We just hit lucky with Suarez, that was an amazing one off, and very unlikely to be repeated. Time our owners and manager got into the real world of football, because if they don't we are just going to slide down the league table into obscurity. Drama queen? No, just a realist.
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Old 02-09-2015, 14:44
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Old 02-09-2015, 14:55
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More than that though imo, is that players careers are being disrupted and ruined while teams play silly moronic games with them and their futures. I understand running a club is a business, and most owners are in it to make a profit, but, a reputation as career wreckers isn't going to do us any favours when seriously looking for the best talent.

We have to rid ourselves of this idea of buying future talent for money balling, and seriously look at buying in players who are proven good enough for the first team. We just hit lucky with Suarez, that was an amazing one off, and very unlikely to be repeated. Time our owners and manager got into the real world of football, because if they don't we are just going to slide down the league table into obscurity. Drama queen? No, just a realist.
I think the system is the root of the problem. The current loan rules allows clubs to take a gamble on a player rather than being sure of a player. Liverpool are just playing the same game as everyone else.

The players get hurt as I cant believe a player signs a contract for a club and then for the next 2 or 3 years plays for a different club. Its madness.

Liverpool paid £7 mil for Llori and I'm reading have been paid £1 mil for the loan and Villa have an option to buy for £6 mil. So Liverpool will lose no money on a player who hasnt played once for the club.

It's madness.

Now would you say Chelsea buy players who are proven good enough for the first team? On the surface it looks like they do but you look deeper and as I pointed out they are abusing the loan system worse than anyone and not sinking into obscurity anytime soon.
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Old 02-09-2015, 15:03
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At chelsea, the loan system was being used (successfully) as a business venture, a way to help get around FFP. Now there is not such thing, I doubt that clubs having this many out on loan will continue.

It would be better (and more transparent) if clubs could play a B team in the league that could not be promoted to the PL as in other european countries.
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