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Old 13-09-2015, 10:29
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You can't back the manager by changing the staff and getting in his prime targets and then sack him after 5 games it's ludicrous. They backed him so have to give him the season. For me all is not lost. Let's face it a different result yesterday and we could be in 2nd or 3rd today. That's how quickly things can change in football.

Rodgers I feel has listened to too many press reports and too many fans. He needs to rip up this defensive minded rubbish and just go back to scoring more than the opposition. I had the best time ever in 2013-14 and that's because he allowed the players to play. Was I bothered about conceding goals? No.

The problem we have now is certain groups of fans are almost willing the team to lose so Rodgers is sent packing. At least give him more than 5 games and with Coutinho and Henderson back. Henderson has been a massive loss for me.
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Old 13-09-2015, 10:30
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Does anyone think we may loose Coutinho next Summer. I can see a big team coming in for him.
Can imagine some may look at him if he decides to leave. But can't see anyone coming in for him because they need him.
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Old 13-09-2015, 10:42
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Does anyone think we may loose Coutinho next Summer. I can see a big team coming in for him.
If things don't buck up, I can see other teams scouring the bones of us - and our players desperate to get out. Yesterday I was just utterly ashamed of the way we played, it was shockingly bad, both teams were as bad, tippy toeing around just looking for a draw.

The instant Young came on, we all knew, everyone knew - a fall in the box, penalty, it's what he does (much like Sterling). That was when, finally, both teams picked up their ball(s) and started to try to play a football match, but for us it was way too late, United had their impetus, and for all the yelling, Benteke scored the goal of the match, we'll take that from it but nothing else.

I read loads online pre match, and the highest number of views were that Gomez should NOT play, nor Lovren - Sakho and Moreno were the chosen options, but no, not for BR. He is actually ruining 2 decent players confidence, Gomez and Lovren must be feeling dire today hearing the comments being made about their play. BR consistently places players out of position, why? I think today he's a man standing on the edge, he better be scared - enough is enough.
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Old 13-09-2015, 10:47
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He doesn't deserve another season.
sell said rodgers is clown shoes, sick of all this loyalty, we are not a sacking club etc etc
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Old 13-09-2015, 10:53
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Lovren didn't do much wrong yesterday. Kept it simple. Skrtel on the other hand was utterly useless. Lovren will still get the blame though because people have made their minds up about him.

The defence isn't a massive issue for me and people still bang on about it. Isolating Benteke is. Like I said if we score goals the defence isn't important.
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Old 13-09-2015, 10:55
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You can't back the manager by changing the staff and getting in his prime targets and then sack him after 5 games it's ludicrous. They backed him so have to give him the season. For me all is not lost. Let's face it a different result yesterday and we could be in 2nd or 3rd today. That's how quickly things can change in football.

Rodgers I feel has listened to too many press reports and too many fans. He needs to rip up this defensive minded rubbish and just go back to scoring more than the opposition. I had the best time ever in 2013-14 and that's because he allowed the players to play. Was I bothered about conceding goals? No.

The problem we have now is certain groups of fans are almost willing the team to lose so Rodgers is sent packing. At least give him more than 5 games and with Coutinho and Henderson back. Henderson has been a massive loss for me.
Agreed with that. Sacking the manager now would be ridiculous.

It's not a crisis just yet and I'm ready to give it more time.

Rodgers is trying to be too pragmatic for his own good. His trying to make us more resolute which is effecting how we play in the opponents half. We need to go back to being cavalier with the intention to score goals and win football games. Chance creation is the name of the game.
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Old 13-09-2015, 11:00
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sell said rodgers is clown shoes, sick of all this loyalty, we are not a sacking club etc etc
But now a mediocre club instead.
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Old 13-09-2015, 11:09
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So are you going to give the Europa league a go might be the better option of getting back into the champions league
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Old 13-09-2015, 11:17
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Lovren didn't do much wrong yesterday. Kept it simple. Skrtel on the other hand was utterly useless. Lovren will still get the blame though because people have made their minds up about him.

The defence isn't a massive issue for me and people still bang on about it. Isolating Benteke is. Like I said if we score goals the defence isn't important.
Danny Blind's goal from the free-kick says to me that defence is a massive issue. This zonal system is pants.

We no longer have Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge whose pace and intelligence created space for us, we cannot play that way with the players we have.

Our issues are definitely tactical.

I wonder who is responsible for our tactics?
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Old 13-09-2015, 12:03
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Lovren didn't do much wrong yesterday. Kept it simple. Skrtel on the other hand was utterly useless. Lovren will still get the blame though because people have made their minds up about him.

The defence isn't a massive issue for me and people still bang on about it. Isolating Benteke is. Like I said if we score goals the defence isn't important.
Skrtel has made more critical mistakes than Lovren this season but you wouldn't know it from reading this thread. Fact is that both have flaws. I'd like to see Gomez tried there at some point. We don't know the full story with Sakho but hopefully it'll sort itself out and hell get a regular start again.
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Old 13-09-2015, 12:09
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Rodgers is a likeable guy and we did have an incredible season. But at the moment I think the guy is lost.

Firstly I would never have sold Sterling we had time left on his contract, we could have had him for another year giving Ibe time to mature as a first team player. We are too reliant on Coutinho, if he has a big injury and was out for a few months the team will be lost.

Its not just the tactics for me the passion has gone. I don't know think the players are playing for the manager, they certainly are not enjoying themselves.

The errors we are seeing on the pitch especially with defence are school boy errors.

I don't see anything new from last season, it seems to me the team has continued where it left off. The plan Rodgers had from when he first came in has disappeared along with his philosophies. We are poor passers of the ball. For years many fans longed to see a good passing Liverpool football team.

I am not one for saying to be rid of manager after a few games of a season, I always believe we should give people a chance. But I still want us to fight for 4th at least and watch us play champions league football next season. I am fed up being the nearly team. I want the club to be fighting for every point and for every game lost is a lost point to a champions league spot. If we get the team sorted quickly with Chelsea not doing too well also and United is not the team it was then there is a small chance for us.

I think we have to act quickly and to be honest I would go all out for Ancelotti, I want us to win cups. I don't want to miss out on titles any more, how long do we have to wait. I am not sure if the guy is an answer to our prayers but it will show that we want to be winners and serious!
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Old 13-09-2015, 12:33
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I don't see getting rid of Rodgers as "getting rid of him 5 games into the season". This season was supposed to represent a write off and page turn from last season, which let us remember was a disaster. We cannot forget last year. Well this season has not been a page turn, it has been a continuation, so if we were to get rid of Rodgers soon, I would not see it as "after 5 games", rather "after 43+CL games of absolute rubbish that he seemingly has no clue how to remedy".
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Old 13-09-2015, 12:38
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I don't see getting rid of Rodgers as "getting rid of him 5 games into the season". This season was supposed to represent a write off and page turn from last season, which let us remember was a disaster. We cannot forget last year. Well this season has not been a page turn, it has been a continuation, so if we were to get rid of Rodgers soon, I would not see it as "after 5 games", rather "after 43+CL games of absolute rubbish that he seemingly has no clue how to remedy".
Once you change the staff and players it is a write off though.

Making so many changes then sacking a manager to me is mismanagement.
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Old 13-09-2015, 13:16
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I agree with Carra - we should ditch 4-3-3. Make better use of the players' strengths rather than shoehorn then into a system. I think 3-5-2 would suit us.
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Old 13-09-2015, 13:42
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Once you change the staff and players it is a write off though.

Making so many changes then sacking a manager to me is mismanagement.
I would usually have said the same and done so before with other managers, wait till the end of the season give him more time etc. To call for the sack of a manager - never done before. However I just don't see the team playing anything differently from last season and after arguing he should be given more time I have changed my mind. I worry that this could be the best time for Liverpool to get a champions league place and we have to start getting wins now in case Chelsea starts to wake up. With an experienced manager Liverpool could just do it.
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Old 13-09-2015, 13:43
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I agree with Carra - we should ditch 4-3-3. Make better use of the players' strengths rather than shoehorn then into a system. I think 3-5-2 would suit us.
Given the injuries/suspensions I think bringing back the 4-4-2 diamond might have been better.
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Old 13-09-2015, 14:01
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Given the injuries/suspensions I think bringing back the 4-4-2 diamond might have been better.
Defiently.

We don't have the wide players to play 4-3-3.

4-4-2 diamond should of been the way to go.
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Old 13-09-2015, 14:17
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You can't wipe the slate clean and give somebody a fresh start, then start bringing last season or any other season into it. That isn't a fresh start. I guess this is my main problem with sections of support. Once they've made their minds up they aren't for changing. So lots aren't giving Rodgers a fresh start at all, despite what they are saying.
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Old 13-09-2015, 14:26
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I don't think the system per se was the issue yesterday. The main problem was we basically gave away the initiative by playing so deep. We are not aggressive enough in trying win the ball high up the pitch. With felaini as there front man we should of been squeezing as far up as possible.

We had so many men behind the the ball. Totally unnecessary.
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Old 13-09-2015, 16:07
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You can't wipe the slate clean and give somebody a fresh start, then start bringing last season or any other season into it. That isn't a fresh start. I guess this is my main problem with sections of support. Once they've made their minds up they aren't for changing. So lots aren't giving Rodgers a fresh start at all, despite what they are saying.
Fresh start cuts both ways - if Rodgers keeps making the same selection and tactical decisions (mistakes?) as previous seasons, then people are going to keep referring back to those seasons.

What's that funny quote - the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
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Old 13-09-2015, 16:24
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Fresh start cuts both ways - if Rodgers keeps making the same selection and tactical decisions (mistakes?) as previous seasons, then people are going to keep referring back to those seasons.

What's that funny quote - the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
Isn't the problem Rodgers is trying something new. His going against the philosophy which brought him to the party.
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Old 13-09-2015, 16:31
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I would usually have said the same and done so before with other managers, wait till the end of the season give him more time etc. To call for the sack of a manager - never done before. However I just don't see the team playing anything differently from last season and after arguing he should be given more time I have changed my mind. I worry that this could be the best time for Liverpool to get a champions league place and we have to start getting wins now in case Chelsea starts to wake up. With an experienced manager Liverpool could just do it.
If we bring in a new manager then I am writing the season off. New manager has to bring over his own ideas etc and that takes time.

Wouldn't expect a new manager to make top 4. It would be unfair to do so.
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Old 13-09-2015, 16:45
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Bit off topic but Marceeall would've reminded you of a certain Luis Suarez in his first game V united, unstoppable.
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Old 13-09-2015, 16:59
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I was disappointed to be out on a stag do yesterday and missed the match, However seems I made the right choice, Same shit another season get rid, And before the "real fans" call me a so called fan in my 36 years of being a supporter of this club only Hodgson has made me feel this way through good times and bad.
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Old 13-09-2015, 18:49
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Anyone would think we're rooted to the foot of the table with no key players to cone back. It's not great, but not as bad as some want to paint it. Hodgdon was far worse and Souness did huge damage that put us back years. People also forget we were utter garbage as a league outfit when Rodgers arrived. His system and some new arrivals got the best out of Suarez so he deserves more respect than he's getting whatever happens to him or the team this season. A new manager at this stage would be crazy - let's look at things at the ends of the year or when we're hopelessly adrift from 4th (which we're not)
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