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#1526 |
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If we bring in a new manager then I am writing the season off. New manager has to bring over his own ideas etc and that takes time.
Wouldn't expect a new manager to make top 4. It would be unfair to do so. This season should not have been a right off as I expected us to be in the mix for fourth place. However I don't see this happening. Fair play to Rodgers if he turns it around. I don't know what to think any more. |
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I'm having doubts as to whether Milner can really produce the goods playing in the middle. Going forward, I'd be tempted to play Can and Hendo in front of Lucas or Allen when we play a midfield 3.
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You can't back the manager by changing the staff and getting in his prime targets and then sack him after 5 games it's ludicrous. They backed him so have to give him the season. For me all is not lost. Let's face it a different result yesterday and we could be in 2nd or 3rd today. That's how quickly things can change in football.
Rodgers I feel has listened to too many press reports and too many fans. He needs to rip up this defensive minded rubbish and just go back to scoring more than the opposition. I had the best time ever in 2013-14 and that's because he allowed the players to play. Was I bothered about conceding goals? No. The problem we have now is certain groups of fans are almost willing the team to lose so Rodgers is sent packing. At least give him more than 5 games and with Coutinho and Henderson back. Henderson has been a massive loss for me. We had an awful season last season bar for one good long spell, the rest we were poor. This season we ground out a good few early wins whilst only really v Arsenal playing very well then we've been piss poor v WHU & MU. His tactics in that united game were frankly embarrassing, and he alone is accountable for the tactics. I agree it's ludicrous to talk of sacking him so soon after backing him, it should either have been after the Stoke game last season or give him a good run at it this season but don't blame things on him listening to the fans? |
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Today was the first time doubts about Rodgers has genuinely arised for me.
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because of the west ham result, BR went negative in the 1st half and that's simply unacceptable in my eyes.
don't care who the manager is, no liverpool team should ever go on the pitch playing not to lose. Danny Ings played most of the 1st half at left wing back when he is a striker, moved to left wing in 2nd half but again he's a striker, must be frustrating for the players who do not think they are contributing their best because they are being asked to play different roles. This BR negativity has to end now - we are boring as hell to watch and it's getting to the stage where I wonder why I bother going to any games paying good money to watch the %$£"! they are producing. |
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No surprise you say the same thing again but I want Rodgers to start playing the players in their positions! Far too often players playing in positions that are not their preference, been happening since last season with no end in sight!
Danny Ings played most of the 1st half at left wing back when he is a striker, moved to left wing in 2nd half but again he's a striker, must be frustrating for the players who do not think they are contributing their best because they are being asked to play different roles. This BR negativity has to end now - we are boring as hell to watch and it's getting to the stage where I wonder why I bother going to any games paying good money to watch the %$£"! they are producing. |
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Souness, Thierry Henry and Carragher's post-match reaction, including saying what anyone but one man seems to be able to see with insisting on 4-3-3 and playing Ings out-wide, and with Ibe as our only actual winger. Although Lallana (when fit) can play there, as can Milner, but if Brendan wants to play 4-3-3 he should've kept Markovic and see what he can do when he's not playing as a wing-back.
Carragher also made an interesting comment on our positioning for the free-kick that led to the first goal. The players didn't seem to take any initiative, just doing what they were told to do at the start of the match. There's a lack of leadership on the pitch. Henderson will bring that when he plays but we're still lacking in a defensive leader. People were moaning about Skrtel not getting the captaincy or vice-captaincy but he doesn't show much leadership. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=546&v=szckSdj7r44 At the start of the match most of us wanted Ings to start, but if he's not starting up front then why start him at all? |
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At the start of the match most of us wanted Ings to start, but if he's not starting up front then why start him at all?
Signing players as squad players rarely works at top clubs. |
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There's a lack of leadership on the pitch. Henderson will bring that when he plays but we're still lacking in a defensive leader. People were moaning about Skrtel not getting the captaincy or vice-captaincy but he doesn't show much leadership.
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Dare I say that this is yet another quality that Sakho brings on to the pitch with him? Same with Toure, if those 2 were playing together, we'd probably be a lot more organised at the back.
He's got experience of being a captain, anyway, and would help organise the defence. We don't even have a leader in goal to help organise the defence at set-pieces. We only really have Coutinho to bail us out now when in the past we've had a few players. Someone's going to have to step up. |
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Where will Sturridge fit into your team once he is fit? Will you play him and Benteke up front together with Coutinho just behind them?
If so, I think you will improve vastly if those three play together. |
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Not going to go too much into Saturday's game except to say it was a quite pathetic performance. It's the first time I believe Rodgers should be sacked. I like him and would love for him to turn it around, but so far this season, we've played 5 games and only have played good football in 1 half against Arsenal.
Another thing I'd like to add is, since Benitez took over in 04/05 up to now, our performances away to Arsenal, United and Chelsea on the whole have been pretty poor. We don't create many chances when we go to play against these sides, our passing is usually poor and tactics are almost always negative - bar the 08/09 and 13/14 seasons. If you add up the games from those 10 seasons, that's 30 odd games and we've probably won 4 or 5 and been woeful in about 20+ of those. It's not good enough for a team of Liverpool's size. |
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You don't realize just how many man utd fans there are at work until days like these
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What happened to playing 3 at the back? We did that last season for a bit, raced up the league and put in an unlikely challenge for 4th, then switched back to 4 and it all fell apart.
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The performance Saturday was shocking, when I saw the line up I thought Ings was going to be supporting Benteke upfront, especially after Rodgers saying he thought Ings would take his chance if picked, yet hows he supposed to do that stuck on the left wing? He actually spent more time tracking back due to the team's inability to attack!
It was just hopeless, there was never a pass on for anyone who had the ball, the temp was slow and as Gary Neville said, someone needs to tell the Manager that we don't have the players to play the ball out from the back, we did have them (Reina and Agger) but he got rid of them, the only one we have now (Sakho) he doesn't play! I've lost ALL faith in Rodgers, our next 4 away games Everton, Spurs, Chelsea and Man City (not in that order I don't think) can we really see ourselves getting ANYTHING from those games? I can't. I felt for Gomez, kid will be good but hes also out of position! I don't know why everyone was so excited (especially Martin Tyler! WTF was that about) by Martial's goal, I thought it was hopeless defending from Skrtel he basically let him walk through him! Shocking defending! I want to think things will improve when Sturridge returns and hope he puts him upfront with Coutinho behind but I don't have any faith in Rodgers to get things right at the moment, Klopp is literally begging for the job and he will be snapped up by someone else before FSG decide to do anything about this mess we are in right now! |
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I've mentioned it before, but our pressing of the opposition is useless. Rodgers needs to watch a few videos of Guardiola's/Bielsa's teams pressing. We were content with United passing the ball from one side of the pitch to the next, that was the dross we had to endure when Hodgson was in charge.
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The performance Saturday was shocking, when I saw the line up I thought Ings was going to be supporting Benteke upfront, especially after Rodgers saying he thought Ings would take his chance if picked, yet hows he supposed to do that stuck on the left wing? He actually spent more time tracking back due to the team's inability to attack!
It was just hopeless, there was never a pass on for anyone who had the ball, the temp was slow and as Gary Neville said, someone needs to tell the Manager that we don't have the players to play the ball out from the back, we did have them (Reina and Agger) but he got rid of them, the only one we have now (Sakho) he doesn't play! I've lost ALL faith in Rodgers, our next 4 away games Everton, Spurs, Chelsea and Man City (not in that order I don't think) can we really see ourselves getting ANYTHING from those games? I can't. I felt for Gomez, kid will be good but hes also out of position! I don't know why everyone was so excited (especially Martin Tyler! WTF was that about) by Martial's goal, I thought it was hopeless defending from Skrtel he basically let him walk through him! Shocking defending! I want to think things will improve when Sturridge returns and hope he puts him upfront with Coutinho behind but I don't have any faith in Rodgers to get things right at the moment, Klopp is literally begging for the job and he will be snapped up by someone else before FSG decide to do anything about this mess we are in right now! |
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I've supported Liverpool all my life and while I could never support another team I am seriously thinking about giving up on LFC until Rodgers goes, I won't be watching or attending games. Its all fell apart since Suarez left, Suarez made Rodgers look good, it was nothing to do about his managerial performance that made us almost win the league it was all about Suarez. This is the worst I can remember LFC being as long time.
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i don't think we have any natural leaders. Out of Toure, Sakho and Skrtel, none of them particularly seem to control the defence.
Mignolet isn't a commanding keeper, and the full backs have a combined age of about 12. Henderson doesn't seem the sort to grab a game or the team by the scruff of the neck. I don't doubt he'd lead by example but he's more Gerrard than Carragher, if that makes sense? I think it was Gary Neville, who either talked about, or wrote an article on how defending has changed, and not necessarily for the better. I was throwing things at the television when I saw our defending against Utd. I've seen better defending at under 10 level. |
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Where will Sturridge fit into your team once he is fit? Will you play him and Benteke up front together with Coutinho just behind them?
If so, I think you will improve vastly if those three play together. |
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I've supported Liverpool all my life and while I could never support another team I am seriously thinking about giving up on LFC until Rodgers goes, I won't be watching or attending games. Its all fell apart since Suarez left, Suarez made Rodgers look good, it was nothing to do about his managerial performance that made us almost win the league it was all about Suarez. This is the worst I can remember LFC being as long time.
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Sakho was captain at PSG at 18. Give him a chance to lead.
Agent Edward on twitter says a member of the Qatari royal family wants to buy the club. |
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Strange how Suarez didn't make Kenny look good in the league, eh? Rodgers' change of system and introduction of Sturridge, Coutinho and Sterling helped Suarez too. You're being petulant and very myopic. BR may deserve criticism but he also deserves credit too for what he's dobe, even if he ultimately falls short in the long run.
Rodgers is the one who created a system, style of play to get the very best out of Suarez, sturridge, sterling etc etc. You can't blame the manager when things go wrong while give him no credit when things go well. Under KD Suarez was nowhere near the player he was under BR. Not sure how anyone can not accept that. |
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Do agree with this. That season was epic and to not give BR any credit for that is childish and hating just for the sake of it.
Rodgers is the one who created a system, style of play to get the very best out of Suarez, sturridge, sterling etc etc. You can't blame the manager when things go wrong while give him no credit when things go well. Under KD Suarez was nowhere near the player he was under BR. Not sure how anyone can not accept that. He can't live off that season forever though and things need to improve soon. He needs to return to the diamond formation and have two up top. Ings or Origi can play with Benteke until Sturridge is back. |
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To add to this Suarez was also very good in 2011/12 when we finished 7th under Rodgers but Rodgers set the team up in a way to get the most from his players in 12/13 so he will always deserve credit for that.
He can't live off that season forever though and things need to improve soon. He needs to return to the diamond formation and have two up top. Ings or Origi can play with Benteke until Sturridge is back. So whilst BR's tactics and substitutions are bewildering at times, tnere's some issues outside of his control - he's not really been able to put out our first choice XI for over a year. A return to the diamond would be a good start as you say but that'll be a challenge in terms of who to leave out. I'd love to see: Mignolet Clyne, Gomez, Sakho, Moreno Can Henderson, Milner Coutinho Sturridge, Benteke Firminho would need to dip out until he's up to speed but would be very useful option off the bench. |
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