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Old 05-10-2015, 10:28
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How has Ian Ayres managed to survive Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny and now Rodgers.

Personally I don't like the committee they are just as much to blame perhaps more than the manager if its true a lot of the players brought in to the club are theirs not Rodgers. I wish Rodgers well and we did have an amazing 2013/2014 season.

A new manager if picked has to be here for long haul, hope doesn't go if for example offered the Bayern Munich job after a year or two.

Is Ancelotti or Klopp that type of manager. I am not sure who the right person is. Whoever comes in has to have a lot of freedom more so than what Rodgers was allowed. On this I actually feel sorry for the guy.
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Old 05-10-2015, 11:51
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Coincidentally it will be 4 years tomorrow that FSG's take-over of Liverpool was agreed to by the Liverpool board. Where have we come in that time? Apart form the new stand I'd say we aren't particularly better off as a club. Financially we have grown but not at the same rate as the clubs we think of as being our competition. With Rodgers' departure we seem to have come full circle. I'm not sad to see him go but I am extremely disappointed that things have come to this.

FSG have to make a big decision now. Are we a big club or not? Big clubs constantly invest in quality and aren't afraid to spend the money when it's needed. Rodgers may have spent a huge amount but a great deal of that was funded through sales of the cream of the squad. That has to stop. We need a top manager and give him the money to invest without having to watch what he's spending the whole time. If they can't commit to this approach they should look to sell the club now before the value starts to dip.

Klopp or Ancellotti? I'll be reasonably happy with either but I'd lean towards the Italian.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:25
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You have to remember that for FSG they have Ayre and Gordon, neither of whom are football men. I'm not sure it's entirely their fault.

Ayre is good at his day to day stuff, but what do him and Gordon add to this awful transfer committee? Also, what do Hunter and Fallows offer?

They were seen as a coup being brought in from City, but in the words of Shania Twain, that don't impress me much.

I think FSG need to look at the club as a whole. Either Misawa or Kobashi were spot on when they said a DoF is desperately needed.

Someone with a football background preferably...
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:40
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With the owners residing in the States a Direct of Football is needed - that I agree with. Someone to run the club for FSG who has been a footballer and possibly manager. What we have at the moment is chaos.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:51
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The problem we have with our owners is their 'Moneyball' objective - buy them cheap with promise, nurture them, and then when they become sellable, sell on for profit. They will always go for 2nd best or unproven players to keep the salaries down.

We just have to hope they don't do the same when installing a new manager - right now we need one of the best.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:59
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The problem we have with our owners is their 'Moneyball' objective - buy them cheap with promise, nurture them, and then when they become sellable, sell on for profit. They will always go for 2nd best or unproven players to keep the salaries down.

We just have to hope they don't do the same when installing a new manager - right now we need one of the best.
The thing is, I don't think their approach is awful, but what is, seems to be their inflexibility on that issue.

I was surprised to see Milner come in, but any squad needs some experienced pros to help the team get over the line.
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Old 05-10-2015, 13:07
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The problem we have with our owners is their 'Moneyball' objective - buy them cheap with promise, nurture them, and then when they become sellable, sell on for profit. They will always go for 2nd best or unproven players to keep the salaries down.

We just have to hope they don't do the same when installing a new manager - right now we need one of the best.
I cant see that changing. just dont see FSG now deciding that they are gonna compete with the best when it comes to wages and transfer fees.

the current approach isnt really that much of a problem in my eyes. the problem is using a transfer committee. it isnt working and FSG need to admit that. I look at Juve and atletico madrid for example, they are not competing at that very top end of the transfer market but still sign very good players. There is no reason why liverpool cannot do the same.

like misawa said, bring in a DOF with a new manager.
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Old 05-10-2015, 13:12
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The thing is, I don't think their approach is awful, but what is, seems to be their inflexibility on that issue.

I was surprised to see Milner come in, but any squad needs some experienced pros to help the team get over the line.
They really do have to become more flexible if we are to progress at all, let alone install a decent new manager - maybe they will find no good manager will touch them with those rules so firmly in place?

Milner was a free that was too good to pass up, and the team did need, as you say, someone with experience and a bit of age in the team.
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Old 05-10-2015, 13:22
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The thing is a DOF was always the plan. After comolli didn't work they went away from that. Now I remember when BR was appointed LVG was talked about as a possible DOF which BR declined. I can see why as I do think someone of that stature could undermine the manage however FSG still them ditched the DOF model.

They need a clear vision now which the manager and others are on board with. No changing with the manager. There needs to be a system in place which works regardless if the club changes manager.
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Old 05-10-2015, 13:24
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They really do have to become more flexible if we are to progress at all, let alone install a decent new manager - maybe they will find no good manager will touch them with those rules so firmly in place?

Milner was a free that was too good to pass up, and the team did need, as you say, someone with experience and a bit of age in the team.
It's all about the right blend, look at Utd for example, they bring in say, Martial, but they also bring in Schweinsteigger...

The thing is a DOF was always the plan. After comolli didn't work they went away from that. Now I remember when BR was appointed LVG was talked about as a possible DOF which BR declined. I can see why as I do think someone of that stature could undermine the manage however FSG still them ditched the DOF model.

They need a clear vision now which the manager and others are on board with. No changing with the manager. There needs to be a system in place which works regardless if the club changes manager.
Agreed.
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Old 05-10-2015, 13:48
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The problem we have with our owners is their 'Moneyball' objective - buy them cheap with promise, nurture them, and then when they become sellable, sell on for profit. They will always go for 2nd best or unproven players to keep the salaries down.

We just have to hope they don't do the same when installing a new manager - right now we need one of the best.
For me one of the unfortunate consequences of their approach is that we lack leaders on the pitch - which experienced players would be - and without leaders performances suffer.

Hendo is our leader it seems - I have nothing against the lad - he proved me wrong and deserves to be in the team and prob deserves the captaincy in the absence of any better candidates but he is not the leader we need. Lets hope when the new manager comes he sees this need and brings in an experienced leader to be our talisman.
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Old 05-10-2015, 14:27
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For me one of the unfortunate consequences of their approach is that we lack leaders on the pitch - which experienced players would be - and without leaders performances suffer.

Hendo is our leader it seems - I have nothing against the lad - he proved me wrong and deserves to be in the team and prob deserves the captaincy in the absence of any better candidates but he is not the leader we need. Lets hope when the new manager comes he sees this need and brings in an experienced leader to be our talisman.
The problem for Henderson is he is not a winner, not in the sense say, Gerrard was. You need players to drag you over the line, and Henderson is not one.

Kolo Toure and James Milner are probably the two in the 'group' who have what I'm talking about.. Maybe Lucas and Skrtel too?
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Old 05-10-2015, 15:05
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How has Ian Ayres managed to survive Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny and now Rodgers.

Personally I don't like the committee they are just as much to blame perhaps more than the manager if its true a lot of the players brought in to the club are theirs not Rodgers. I wish Rodgers well and we did have an amazing 2013/2014 season.

A new manager if picked has to be here for long haul, hope doesn't go if for example offered the Bayern Munich job after a year or two.

Is Ancelotti or Klopp that type of manager. I am not sure who the right person is. Whoever comes in has to have a lot of freedom more so than what Rodgers was allowed. On this I actually feel sorry for the guy.
To be fair to Ian Ayre he must do things well within his role at the club. I fail to believe he is awful at his job and still survived this long.
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Old 05-10-2015, 18:01
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Brendan Rodgers statement:

"I am, of course, incredibly disappointed to be leaving Liverpool Football Club. It has been both an honour and a privilege to manage one of the game’s great clubs for the last three years."

“I have worked every day to represent the club to the best of my ability, to develop both individual players and a team that the club’s magnificent fans can be proud of."

"There have been some very memorable moments during my time at Liverpool and I would like to thank all of the players for their hard work and commitment."

"The current squad is one in transition, but they have some real talent and are showing a strong sense of togetherness. I expect to see them continue to grow and develop over the coming weeks and I wish them and my successor well for the rest of the season."

“Liverpool has a magnificent football heritage and I have nothing but respect and admiration for the history, tradition and values that make the city and the club so exceptional."

"As well as my players, I would like to thank everyone connected with the club; Fenway Sports Group, the Liverpool Directors, in particular Ian Ayre, my coaching staff, the staff throughout the club, the volunteers, the Academy staff and its young players and of course the amazing Liverpool fans for their unwavering support, passion and dedication which has made my time at the club so special."

“Finally, I would like to give a special mention to John W. Henry, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon. They gave me this great opportunity and even though we will no longer be working together I am sure our relationship and friendship will continue into the future."
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Old 05-10-2015, 18:17
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Brendan Rodgers statement:

"I am, of course, incredibly disappointed to be leaving Liverpool Football Club. It has been both an honour and a privilege to manage one of the game’s great clubs for the last three years."

“I have worked every day to represent the club to the best of my ability, to develop both individual players and a team that the club’s magnificent fans can be proud of."

"There have been some very memorable moments during my time at Liverpool and I would like to thank all of the players for their hard work and commitment."

"The current squad is one in transition, but they have some real talent and are showing a strong sense of togetherness. I expect to see them continue to grow and develop over the coming weeks and I wish them and my successor well for the rest of the season."

“Liverpool has a magnificent football heritage and I have nothing but respect and admiration for the history, tradition and values that make the city and the club so exceptional."

"As well as my players, I would like to thank everyone connected with the club; Fenway Sports Group, the Liverpool Directors, in particular Ian Ayre, my coaching staff, the staff throughout the club, the volunteers, the Academy staff and its young players and of course the amazing Liverpool fans for their unwavering support, passion and dedication which has made my time at the club so special."

“Finally, I would like to give a special mention to John W. Henry, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon. They gave me this great opportunity and even though we will no longer be working together I am sure our relationship and friendship will continue into the future."
Very dignified response. Well played Brendan.

Even though I can't lie and say I was disappointed to see him leave, I do wish him all the very best for wherever he ends up next.
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Old 05-10-2015, 18:27
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Brendan Rodgers statement:

"I am, of course, incredibly disappointed to be leaving Liverpool Football Club. It has been both an honour and a privilege to manage one of the game’s great clubs for the last three years."

“I have worked every day to represent the club to the best of my ability, to develop both individual players and a team that the club’s magnificent fans can be proud of."

"There have been some very memorable moments during my time at Liverpool and I would like to thank all of the players for their hard work and commitment."

"The current squad is one in transition, but they have some real talent and are showing a strong sense of togetherness. I expect to see them continue to grow and develop over the coming weeks and I wish them and my successor well for the rest of the season."

“Liverpool has a magnificent football heritage and I have nothing but respect and admiration for the history, tradition and values that make the city and the club so exceptional."

"As well as my players, I would like to thank everyone connected with the club; Fenway Sports Group, the Liverpool Directors, in particular Ian Ayre, my coaching staff, the staff throughout the club, the volunteers, the Academy staff and its young players and of course the amazing Liverpool fans for their unwavering support, passion and dedication which has made my time at the club so special."

“Finally, I would like to give a special mention to John W. Henry, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon. They gave me this great opportunity and even though we will no longer be working together I am sure our relationship and friendship will continue into the future."
Couldn't have made a better response, done with class and dignity. Hope to see you at Anfield now and then Brendan, you will always be made welcome I'm sure. Good luck for your future.
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Old 05-10-2015, 18:36
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To be fair to Ian Ayre he must do things well within his role at the club. I fail to believe he is awful at his job and still survived this long.
He's very good in his commercial role..
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Old 05-10-2015, 18:41
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Echo the responses above. A very dignified statement from a man who always understood the club and its history. He was a perfect fit for many reasons and I'm sad he turned out not to be the man to lead us to glory.
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Old 05-10-2015, 20:58
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I concur with the other responses, very dignified from Brendan, I'm glad he's gone down that road, hopefully means he'll be fondly thought of by the fans.

Shame things didn't work out in the end, one amazing season but sadly losing Suarez and an ageing Gerrard meant we could never reach those heights again and sadly for a while now we have been pretty poor to be fair.

Does everyone here think it's pretty much one from 3 of Klopp, Ancelotti & de Boer or could any other names be realistically in the mix you think?
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Old 05-10-2015, 21:08
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Not sure I like how publicly we're pursuing Klopp. If negotiations don't work out we'll look very daft and someone like Ancellotti won't like being second choice. FSG had better make sure they get this deal done quickly. I'm not impressed that neither of the top men in FSG saw this transition as important enough to make the trip over the pond, especially if sacking Rodgers was agreed days ago.
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Old 05-10-2015, 22:07
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Advocaats free, and what about the wally with the brolly!

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Old 05-10-2015, 22:09
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I concur with the other responses, very dignified from Brendan, I'm glad he's gone down that road, hopefully means he'll be fondly thought of by the fans.

Shame things didn't work out in the end, one amazing season but sadly losing Suarez and an ageing Gerrard meant we could never reach those heights again and sadly for a while now we have been pretty poor to be fair.

Does everyone here think it's pretty much one from 3 of Klopp, Ancelotti & de Boer or could any other names be realistically in the mix you think?
Yeh I'm leaning for Klopp more over the others now, he is great character with passion I think he will suit us and liven up Anfield once more.
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Old 05-10-2015, 22:40
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Not sure I like how publicly we're pursuing Klopp. If negotiations don't work out we'll look very daft and someone like Ancellotti won't like being second choice. FSG had better make sure they get this deal done quickly. I'm not impressed that neither of the top men in FSG saw this transition as important enough to make the trip over the pond, especially if sacking Rodgers was agreed days ago.
Point being that they most likely talked to him a few weeks back and he was very receptive to the job. Leaks would be coming from his side just as much as ours.

Looks like a 3 Year deal it is with an option for a further two has been agreed. Announcement before end of the week.
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Old 05-10-2015, 22:45
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A year into Klopp as manager , if all is not well you can look for him being portrayed as the nutty German who got lucky for a couple of seasons when all went well at Dortmund but what has he actually done outside of that?

Wait and see.
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Old 06-10-2015, 00:38
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Getting close to looking like Klopp
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...urgen-10202152
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