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#2326 |
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Souness needs to pipe down. Him having a dig at Rodgers is laughable considering his reign at Liverpool and the long term effects.
Talking of a Liverpool being a selling club when he alone decided to sell players like Beardsley who had no desire to leave is a joke. One of the greatest players for the club but his in no position to talk about managers or the club selling players after his reign at LFC. Very strong rumours Klopp contract agreed and signed. 3 years. As for coutinho haven't the club already shown that they will sell players on there own terms. The idea that coutinho can just say he wants to leave and the club will just sell is a fallacy. His on a long term contract and there is no need to panic just yet. |
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It's hilarious that Liverpool haven't appointed Klopp[yet], yet fans of other rival clubs on other club forums have gone into an hysterical meltdown.
![]() Brendan Rodgers, as much as i wanted him to succeed at Liverpool, he never sorted out the defence, it's mostly been shambolic & Mignolet an accident waiting to happen, even the season when we were challenging for the title we conceded 50 goals. Also on the transfer committee who had the last say on transfers, BR didn't want Balotelli but we signed him anyway & a couple of others he didn't want[might have probably foreseen Sturridge's injury problems] could/should BR have been more forceful to abandon the transfers. The writing on the wall was from the appalling performances from last seasons FA Cup semi final to the end of the season, that appalling 6-1 loss at Stoke, i think final nail was the Carlisle game couple of weeks ago, going to penalties against a side from League 2. So they go back to BR with a selection of players. None of these BR may have wanted but he needs to fill the position. Like last summer, we went from losing out on Sanchez to signing balotelli which is ridiculous. The echo has a good article on the committee. Says BR was left with a choice between balotelli and eto'o. |
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Listening to carra after Everton match. He doesn't seem too happy with the owners. Did agree with what he said and agree with Souness as well. I Wasn't happy with the way BR lost his job via phone. It should have been face to face. But now it's happened it seems klopp looks like being the next manager for us. Didn't really know much about him other than he managed Dortmund. Seems to like his players to do a lot of running although he doesn't play the same style as BR. Since klopp has never managed in prem, wondering how long it would take him to adjust?
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Souness needs to pipe down. Him having a dig at Rodgers is laughable considering his reign at Liverpool and the long term effects.
Talking of a Liverpool being a selling club when he alone decided to sell players like Beardsley who had no desire to leave is a joke. One of the greatest players for the club but his in no position to talk about managers or the club selling players after his reign at LFC. Very strong rumours Klopp contract agreed and signed. 3 years. As for coutinho haven't the club already shown that they will sell players on there own terms. The idea that coutinho can just say he wants to leave and the club will just sell is a fallacy. His on a long term contract and there is no need to panic just yet.
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Listening to carra after Everton match. He doesn't seem too happy with the owners. Did agree with what he said and agree with Souness as well. I Wasn't happy with the way BR lost his job via phone. It should have been face to face. But now it's happened it seems klopp looks like being the next manager for us. Didn't really know much about him other than he managed Dortmund. Seems to like his players to do a lot of running although he doesn't play the same style as BR. Since klopp has never managed in prem, wondering how long it would take him to adjust?
In the 2013/14 season we saw Rodgers employ those sort of tactics (like when Arsenal and Spurs came to Anfield) but only sometimes and never for the full game. I don't know whether it's a fitness issue or just that the PL is a different beast to the Bundesliga. It obviously takes an incredibly strong team mentality to play that way, because if just one player gets lazy it can leave huge gaps to play through. I think Klopp's biggest problem would be that he loves having a defensive midfielder or two in the side with legs (such as Sven Bender). Lucas doesn't fit that bill. The obvious difference in their styles is that Rodgers so often reverted to the "pass them to death" strategy, which allowed many teams to frustrate us. I think we'd be a lot more direct under Klopp. There's a quote I saw today which I think sums him up best, speaking about Barcelona's tiki-taka style: "It is not my sport. I don’t like winning with 80 per cent [possession]. Sorry that is not enough for me. Fighting football, not serenity football, that is what I like. What we call in German 'English' — rainy day, heavy pitch, 5-5, everybody is dirty in the face and goes home and cannot play for weeks after." |
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I heard his brother Klippertys gone to Sunderland
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I heard his brother Klippertys gone to Sunderland
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...an-papers.html
Anybody worried by this or believe it could possibly be true? I would be gutted if he were to go in January, I had his name on my top this year!! Hopefully if he does decide to go it's in the Summer and we don't let him leave in January! |
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Apparently Harry Redknapp thinks that Klopp should reject us in favour of a move to Sunderland.
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Coutinho? £22m? I don't think so. Unless FSG see it as another Moneyball success story, of course. FSG are being slowly exposed I feel. What's our net spend in their tenure? They treated BR badly in terms of his backroom staff and exit and their laughable committee had more to do with last year's failure than Rodgers did - the Balotelli episode was a massive risk when you factor in the potential for a Sturridge injury or three. Virtually any proven PL striker with work ethic and pace would have done a better job. Like many, I was happy at the time to take a punt at £16m but hadn't considered what it would mean once Sturridge was taken out the equation - but the committee and all their analysis should have highlighted that risk, given his history.
Oh well, let's hope Klopp sprinkles some magic dust and things turn around on the pitch - that will help keep and attract quality players. Despite a few nagging reservations, I'm mostly intrigued and excited by his probable appointment given the testimonies of many who've worked with him. He'll be under the microscope in the Spurs game so it'll be fascinating to see his first team selection and tactics. If we can limp along until Christmas, the fixtures start looking a lot easier and Klopp will have a decent run of games to influence things and bed his philosophy in. Let's hope he knows of a aerially dominant central defender - that's the key gap in my opinion. |
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If we can limp along until Christmas, the fixtures start looking a lot easier and Klopp will have a decent run of games to influence things and bed his philosophy in. Let's hope he knows of a aerially dominant central defender - that's the key gap in my opinion.
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*cough*matshummels*cough*
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"It is not my sport. I don’t like winning with 80 per cent [possession]. Sorry that is not enough for me. Fighting football, not serenity football, that is what I like. What we call in German 'English' — rainy day, heavy pitch, 5-5, everybody is dirty in the face and goes home and cannot play for weeks after." "He likes having the ball, playing football, passes. It's like an orchestra. But it's a silent song. I like heavy metal." Slightly concerning, and it's been pointed out on this board before, is that his physical athletic approach to the games might not suit our collection of, quite often, all to fragile players e.g. Sturridge, Allen, Sakho, Lovren and even Lallana. It could take a bit of time for him to get in some slightly more robust players before we can go full-on Klopp. I hope Gary Mac gets to stay for a while longer yet and I wouldn't be averse to Didi joining the backroom team either, because having two ex-players around who have won a few things with Liverpool can only be a good thing, imo. |
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Brendan Rodgers, as much as i wanted him to succeed at Liverpool, he never sorted out the defence, it's mostly been shambolic & Mignolet an accident waiting to happen, even the season when we were challenging for the title we conceded 50 goals.
It is a fundamental rule that it is simply not possible to be a successful team without a top quality goalkeeper and sound defence. My biggest concern over the last few years was spending over £20m EACH on Markovic, Lallana and Firmino all at a time when it was obvious our goalkeeper was massively inferior to every one of our competitors for top 4. I will be very interested indeed to see what Klopp does about the goalkeeper position - I believe that if we are to make top 4 we have to get a world class goalkeeper irrespective of any other decision we might make. People may point to 2013/14 but that was a truly exceptional situation - we had one of the 3 best players in the world playing up front alongside another absolutely top striker playing at their absolute peak (and remaining fit). Realistically, that situation is not going to recur any time soon. If we have any money at all to spend then I believe priority 1 is the best possible keeper and priority 2 the best possible central defender - to play alongside Sakho with Skrtel first choice back-up. |
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All this Coutinho stuff?
As someone said if Barca came in he'd go - not cos he does not like LFC but cos it is Barca and anyone would go to them. As he is perceived by many as LFCs best player with the potential to improve even more (cos lets be honest he is not as consistent as he could be) I think to sell him would be a massive own goal and I doubt it will happen. The only thing I would say tho is that in Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino we have 3 very similar players - so what gives? - as they are all expensive players who would not be happy being left on the side lines most games and maybe they should not have all been bought when you consider that there are areas where we are far less strong - 1) wide - only Ibe there as a natural with Sterling and Markovic gone in the summer 2) central defence - still not right and to me to get it right is the highest priority, and maybe even 3) goalkeeper - Mig is OK but could we do better, a top quality keeper makes a difference - see MUFC with Van De Sar and De Gea and the difference they made 4) left back - Moreno = good player but a wing back not full back and Gomez is more a CB than a full back This is all stuff Klopp will have to weigh up as he evaluates the squad and in time I am sure there will be plenty of comings and goings. I can see one of the 3 in the first line of this para not being there in a year's time but I don't think it will be Coutinho who goes - or if it is it will not be our decision to let him go, it will only be cos Barca came in. Another thing is that we have good players but their best position is not clear - the main two I am thinking of are Milner and Can - decisions need to be made on this as we have to decide on a players best position and play him there and not mess him around. |
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That is the absolute key for me.
It is a fundamental rule that it is simply not possible to be a successful team without a top quality goalkeeper and sound defence. My biggest concern over the last few years was spending over £20m EACH on Markovic, Lallana and Firmino all at a time when it was obvious our goalkeeper was massively inferior to every one of our competitors for top 4. I will be very interested indeed to see what Klopp does about the goalkeeper position - I believe that if we are to make top 4 we have to get a world class goalkeeper irrespective of any other decision we might make. People may point to 2013/14 but that was a truly exceptional situation - we had one of the 3 best players in the world playing up front alongside another absolutely top striker playing at their absolute peak (and remaining fit). Realistically, that situation is not going to recur any time soon. If we have any money at all to spend then I believe priority 1 is the best possible keeper and priority 2 the best possible central defender - to play alongside Sakho with Skrtel first choice back-up. Also Liverpool's set pieces are dreadful, corners are far too slow, most of the time it's played short & by the time the players get in position to play the ball into the box, the opposition have closed them down, or the cross is poor. |
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reasonably Perfect scenario,Klopp takes a little time to bed things in premiership wise,Top 5/6 finish but we win FA Cup,Europa League
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Apparently Harry Redknapp thinks that Klopp should reject us in favour of a move to Sunderland.
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Do you agree with what paul lambert said that he may have to hit the ground running because Liverpool may be looking for a good start? Personally i don't because us Liverpool fans always give the manager time and i dont see this being any different.
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Mignolet is left very exposed by our poor defence. Stick him behind a good back 3 or 4 and he'll suddenly look much more confident. He does lack a bit of ball skills which effects his ability to distribute the ball from the back but his shot stopping is second-to-none. I might be old school but that is a more important characteristic. I'd much rather we invested in the back 4 than a new GK.
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I'm too old fashioned to be comfortable giving a statistician so much power and influence over a manager. I don't even like DoF roles getting in the managers way. We ( the fans) talk about the absolute need to get a 'top' manager in this time; could you imagine a guy like Ancelotti being undone or gazumped by a video analyst? It would (and should) never happen and I certainly have sympathy for Rodgers because he's carrying so much blame when, for me, there seems to be a significant structural problem that needs sorted. I was listening to a piece on SSN yesterday with Paul Lambert ( who knows Klopp and went to Dortmund for a week to see them training etc) and they were pointing out that as well as his own asst manager, Klopp also has his own video analysis guy that he trusts and was an important part of his team. So maybe Edwards could be next in the firing line or get himself moved to Boston for some baseball work. I honestly don't think we'd miss him. |
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Mignolet is left very exposed by our poor defence. Stick him behind a good back 3 or 4 and he'll suddenly look much more confident. He does lack a bit of ball skills which effects his ability to distribute the ball from the back but his shot stopping is second-to-none. I might be old school but that is a more important characteristic. I'd much rather we invested in the back 4 than a new GK.
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I'm too old fashioned to be comfortable giving a statistician so much power and influence over a manager. I don't even like DoF roles getting in the managers way. We ( the fans) talk about the absolute need to get a 'top' manager in this time; could you imagine a guy like Ancelotti being undone or gazumped by a video analyst? It would (and should) never happen and I certainly have sympathy for Rodgers because he's carrying so much blame when, for me, there seems to be a significant structural problem that needs sorted.
I think the real problem is the remit these people and the Manager were given which was the issue. The more you read the more it seems BR and the fellow committe members were not pulling in the same direction? Why not?You have players BR signed, players the TC signed. This has to stop. 31 players signed in 3 years means its not working as well as it should and a change of manager doesnt solve those issues alone. Tony Barrett said Benteke was signed as BR allowed the TC to sign Firminho. Its absolute madness that a club's recruitment policy could be some tit for tat operation where the Manager and staff are working against each other. Committee have first dibs and select Firmino in return the'll let you have next pick...Benteke please and it goes on. Seriously. |
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Some sad journlists out there. Matt Law, Villa supporter. Quote:
Matt Law @Matt_Law_DT 10m10 minutes ago
Liverpool are replacing a bloke who finished 6th after losing his best player with a bloke who finished 7th after losing his best players... Matt Law @Matt_Law_DT 9m9 minutes ago ...But the bloke who finished 6th is a complete idiot and the bloke who finished 7th is some kind of footballing jesus. Ok, then Matt Law @Matt_Law_DT 4 Mar 2012 I dunno if he'd take because word is he'll be next germany boss but I'd go for jurgen klopp if I was roman. I'd love him to come to england Matt Law @Matt_Law_DT 19 Jul 2013 If I'm Barcelona, my first choice is Klopp and my second choice is Wenger. |
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It's a good thing that this is happening during an international break, to give the manager time to be signed and settle in, but it doesn't stop international breaks from being the most boring thing ever.
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