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Old 08-06-2015, 17:01
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Am I misunderstanding the fact that Cindy would rather that Beth is adopted by other people in order that in her selfish way:

1. If the baby is adopted by Ian & Jane it would be mean that she will not be able to get away with not having to "occasionally" look after her if the need occurs....and don't we all know that she is a lazy cow and do not give a shit about Beth.

2. With Beth not around she can happily ( or so she thought) stay in the house without the responsibility whatsoever.

Just look at her reaction when finally Beth is handed to her immediate relatives, and why did she not think of this resolution in the first place??? Instead of going through the drama of raising hopes for Ian and Jane to adopt/ not to adopt because Cindy likes playing around people's emotions anyway ( she's always been like this from the off ). Anyway she did not care nor give a hoot and obviously rejoicing that finally someone else had thought of the way to get rid of the baby she despised.

And then the kitchen scene was the last straw for Ian because Cindy acted as if nothing has happened , she was so blaze and pretending she's all sweet and domesticated all of a sudden!!!!

Seriously how can anyone not see through this manipulative, crafty, and heartless even demonic person.

Let's just hope she stays out of Ian's house forever and go the path of self destruction for all I care.

Hope DTC finish her character soon once and for all as the Cindy character really has no place on EE anymore now that Beth is no longer around.
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:24
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I guess normally you have your child adopted because you cant cope for whatever reason or think its best for the child. You arent generally expected to babysit it after the adoption tho and if your going to do that why have it adopted in the first place?
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:26
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I'm on Cindy's side. Completely.
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:31
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I'm on Cindy's side. Completely.
Same here.
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:34
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I'm on Cindy's side. Completely.
Me too. Her and Beths needs are not being looked at . Only Ian and Jane seem to be listened to
If a young Mum cant cope then someone needs to listen to her and listen alone and not with the prospective parents in the room
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:36
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This S/L feels like some twisted fairy tale about a girl, who in exchange for a roof over her head, has to give up her first born child.
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Old 08-06-2015, 17:36
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I guess normally you have your child adopted because you cant cope for whatever reason or think its best for the child. You arent generally expected to babysit it after the adoption tho and if your going to do that why have it adopted in the first place?
Well it will be inevitable though if she carries on living in the same house with the couple who adopted her child.

Look no one is forcing her to live with Ian and Jane, if ever she is the one who seems to force herself to be in that house in the first place.

Look, I don't care if she wants to her her child be adopted by other people but then do not expect Ian and Jane to be happy about it and yet still have the nerve to expect that Ian put her up for what she's done!

She cannot have it both ways!
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Old 08-06-2015, 18:26
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Did someone summon the Cindy Defence Squad? *heroic pose*
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Old 08-06-2015, 18:34
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I'm on Cindy's side. Completely.
Im on team cindy too. Having your own child raised as a sibling i imagine being a hard position. Plus cindy knows about bobby and might want condy away from him or bot to be raised like him.
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Old 08-06-2015, 18:37
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Well it will be inevitable though if she carries on living in the same house with the couple who adopted her child.

Look no one is forcing her to live with Ian and Jane, if ever she is the one who seems to force herself to be in that house in the first place.

Look, I don't care if she wants to her her child be adopted by other people but then do not expect Ian and Jane to be happy about it and yet still have the nerve to expect that Ian put her up for what she's done!

She cannot have it both ways!
And her other option is being homelss. Foes anyone want to be homeless... No!

She rang her aunt gina but she has turned her back on cindy and refused.
She cant afford to join peter so she will end up on the streets.
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Old 08-06-2015, 18:48
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And me.

I think some people are seeing this way too simplistically. If it was just a case of her not wanting to do the hard work of raising a child but having her to play with when she feels like it, then having Ian and Jane adopt her would be a dream come true.

But it is not just about coping physically with the work, not being able to go out when she wants etc.

She can't cope emotionally and that will continue so long as she has to keep seeing Beth. Cindy needs a clean break for her sake but also she probably thinks for Beth and I'm inclined to agree. How confusing and upsetting will it be for Beth growing up with her Mum/Sister around and miserable, barely able to look at her. Then, what happens if Cindy decides she wants to take a full on role, be Mummy again. Does Jane just step back? Not considering how that would make Jane feel, maybe Beth would love Jane and not want her to stop being her Mummy but start being her Granny?

For some people, adopting within the family might work, certainly Grandparents doing most of the day to day work does (one of my friends had a baby at 17 and her Parents pretty much raised him for the first few years) but my friend wasn't as emotionally unstable as Cindy and it wasn't an adoption - she was always Mum, her parents Gran and Grandad. They just did most of the work so she could still get an education, have a life and frankly grow up enough to look after the baby properly which in time she did.

It won't work for everybody though and cindy's case is clearly one of them.
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Old 08-06-2015, 18:53
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And her other option is being homelss. Foes anyone want to be homeless... No!

She rang her aunt gina but she has turned her back on cindy and refused.
She cant afford to join peter so she will end up on the streets.
Exactly. A lot of people seem to be blind to the fact that Cindy really doesn't have options.

Her Mother is dead
Her Sister is dead.
Her Father and his famly have never wanted to know her
Her Grandmother lives in another country and from recollection, is not in very good health
Her two brothers live on the other side of the World
Her aunt, who begged to be allowed to keep her when she was a baby, has decided she is too much trouble and refuses to have her.

she has no money of her own and is legally still a minor.

So, what choice does she actually have as to where she lives? Shek4 never felt wanted, that has been established from the start and now, yet again, she is being rejected by Ian (who is the closest thing to a father she has ever had) in favour of the cuter baby.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:29
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Her aunt, who begged to be allowed to keep her when she was a baby, has decided she is too much trouble and refuses to have her.

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Isn't this a point against Cindy being a complete innocent in her situation?

I do feel sorry for Cindy, but she is a troublemaker; she stole Phil's money when she first arrived getting Dexter and Jay - who had done nothing to her and she barely knew - into a lot of trouble. She was using Peter's secret to leverage him into supporting her wish to stay in London. She told Ian that Lucy was addicted to cocaine because she felt Ian favoured Lucy, his daughter, over her. When Ian threw her out after Lucy's death, she came back to Walford specifically because Gina wanted her to put the baby up for adoption and Cindy did not want to give the baby up, especially to strangers.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:33
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Am I misunderstanding the fact that Cindy would rather that Beth is adopted by other people in order that in her selfish way:

1. If the baby is adopted by Ian & Jane it would be mean that she will not be able to get away with not having to "occasionally" look after her if the need occurs
....and don't we all know that she is a lazy cow and do not give a shit about Beth.

2. With Beth not around she can happily ( or so she thought) stay in the house without the responsibility whatsoever.

Just look at her reaction when finally Beth is handed to her immediate relatives, and why did she not think of this resolution in the first place??? Instead of going through the drama of raising hopes for Ian and Jane to adopt/ not to adopt because Cindy likes playing around people's emotions anyway ( she's always been like this from the off ). Anyway she did not care nor give a hoot and obviously rejoicing that finally someone else had thought of the way to get rid of the baby she despised.

And then the kitchen scene was the last straw for Ian because Cindy acted as if nothing has happened , she was so blaze and pretending she's all sweet and domesticated all of a sudden!!!!

Seriously how can anyone not see through this manipulative, crafty,
and heartless even demonic person.

Let's just hope she stays out of Ian's house forever and go the path of self destruction for all I care.

Hope DTC finish her character soon once and for all as the Cindy character really has no place on EE anymore now that Beth is no longer around.
Well it will be inevitable though if she carries on living in the same house with the couple who adopted her child.

Look no one is forcing her to live with Ian and Jane, if ever she is the one who seems to force herself to be in that house in the first place.

Look, I don't care if she wants to her her child be adopted by other people but then do not expect Ian and Jane to be happy about it and yet still have the nerve to expect that Ian put her up for what she's done!

She cannot have it both ways!
Are you me? It's like you're putting all my thoughts into words (especially the bits in bold) - much better than ever could!

With the way she was acting in the kitchen after Beth was taken away I'm surprised throwing her out was all Ian did. I'd have struggled not to give her a slap.

I'm not sure why people think Ian's is the only place she can live. As they are so keen to point out - legally she's still a child so what's stopping her living with foster parents? Failing that, Carol offered her a place to stay - and she threw it back in her face!
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:40
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Firmly team Cindy, the way Ian and Jane have acted is disgusting. They are the ones in the wrong.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:45
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Isn't this a point against Cindy being a complete innocent in her situation?

I do feel sorry for Cindy, but she is a troublemaker; she stole Phil's money when she first arrived getting Dexter and Jay - who had done nothing to her and she barely knew - into a lot of trouble. She was using Peter's secret to leverage him into supporting her wish to stay in London. She told Ian that Lucy was addicted to cocaine because she felt Ian favoured Lucy, his daughter, over her. When Ian threw her out after Lucy's death, she came back to Walford specifically because Gina wanted her to put the baby up for adoption and Cindy did not want to give the baby up, especially to strangers.
Well it rather depends on why Cindy started playing up. Was she a pain for no reason or was it just normal teenage stuff which Gina over reacted to? Perhaps Gina only wanted the cute baby and toddler and once hormones kicked in and Cindy started answering back (as all teenagers do) she didn't want the hassle anymore? If she then started ignoring Cindy, she'll have acted up more for attention. Since we didn't see it it is hard to know for sure and could well be a bit of a chicken and egg situation. The fact remains that mist people don't tell their 16 year child that they can NOT stay with them when they are desperate and begging them to be allowed back.

Cindy wanted the baby before she was born, she was desperate to have something of hers, that she had a proper connection with as she'd never felt that due to Cindy Snr having died, no Dad and being brought up away from her siblings. But then, the reality has proved to be different to what she expected and thinks adoption would be for the best.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:50
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I think all this talk of babies and adoption is distracting us from the real point here. As usual, I'll have to be the one to get discussion back on track. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it, and is be lying if I said I didn't find it rewarding.

So, without further ado... Mimi Keene, hot or not? Definitely hot in my book.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:51
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Well it will be inevitable though if she carries on living in the same house with the couple who adopted her child.

Look no one is forcing her to live with Ian and Jane, if ever she is the one who seems to force herself to be in that house in the first place.

Look, I don't care if she wants to her her child be adopted by other people but then do not expect Ian and Jane to be happy about it and yet still have the nerve to expect that Ian put her up for what she's done!

She cannot have it both ways!
No, Ian and Jane don't have to be happy about it, but at the end of the day Beth is Cindy's child and it's her decision. Ian and Jane really have no right to decide what happens to Beth or even to call her 'our little girl'. I'm Team Cindy too, obviously.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:54
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Team Cindy. There are some truly baffling reactions to the storyline on this forum.
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Old 08-06-2015, 19:55
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Are you me? It's like you're putting all my thoughts into words (especially the bits in bold) - much better than ever could!

With the way she was acting in the kitchen after Beth was taken away I'm surprised throwing her out was all Ian did. I'd have struggled not to give her a slap.

I'm not sure why people think Ian's is the only place she can live. As they are so keen to point out - legally she's still a child so what's stopping her living with foster parents? Failing that, Carol offered her a place to stay - and she threw it back in her face!
Foster parents don't grow on trees. She'll have to made a ward of the State for a start. If it was that easy no teenage kids would be living on the Streets would they but they do.

She was angry with Carol when she said that, she felt betrayed because Carol had told Ian and Jane what she thought was a private conversation.

I imagine she will have gone to Carols after Ian threw her out.
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Old 08-06-2015, 20:01
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This S/L feels like some twisted fairy tale about a girl, who in exchange for a roof over her head, has to give up her first born child.
I think Ian and Jane took on Beth because Cindy thought that her daughter wasn't showing her any love back. All I saw was Cindy being quite cold towards Beth though.
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Old 08-06-2015, 20:16
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Team Cindy. Ian and Jane have behaved disgustingly IMO.
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Old 08-06-2015, 20:17
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I'm on Cindy's side. Completely.
Oh same here,I'm watching it now and still selfish Jane trying to bully Liam into giving her Cindys phone number I'm so glad he refused
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Old 08-06-2015, 20:25
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Wahey! Cindy Defense Squad Uniteeeeeeeee!
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Old 08-06-2015, 20:38
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I like Cindy.
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