BBC Panorama - GMO food

davor · 08-06-2015, 20:37

Here we go again. Another attempt at trying to convince the public GMO food is not harmless without much scientific data available.

LostFool · 08-06-2015, 20:41

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Originally Posted by davor

Here we go again. Another attempt at trying to convince the public GMO food is harmless without much scientific data available.

Is there any scientific evidence to say that it isn't harmless?

davor · 08-06-2015, 20:43

I think it IS not harmless. I'm strongly against GMO organisms in food. Big companies however are trying to convince us GMO is safe by sponsoring various biased scientific researches and promoting it on TV in Europe as America is getting ready for EU USA free trade agreement to come in force soon.

LostFool · 08-06-2015, 21:36

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Originally Posted by davor

I think it IS not harmless. I'm strongly against GMO organisms in food. Big companies however are trying to convince us GMO is safe by sponsoring various biased scientific researches and promoting it on TV in Europe as America is getting ready for EU USA free trade agreement to come in force soon.

I'd rather look at the scientific evidence than the views of some tin foil hatted conspiracy theorists.

epicurian · 09-06-2015, 14:43

Well the studies into the safety of GMOs have been plentiful, and several organisations, including the WHO, have looked at the researched and said that GMOs are no riskier for your health than their non-GMO counterparts.

I'm not saying this is the final word and people should stop asking questions, but considering how long GMOs have been around, I can't say I'm worried. After all, human beings have been modifying the genes of crops for thousands of years by selectively breeding plants with desirable traits. Pretty much all of our crops have been messed with in one way or another. http://www.popsci.com/article/scienc...laims-debunked

davor · 09-06-2015, 14:47

All the studies on gmo were conducted in America mostly and all were financed by bio tech companies that actually make gmo crops.

epicurian · 09-06-2015, 14:54

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Originally Posted by davor

All the studies on gmo were conducted in America mostly and all were financed by bio tech companies that actually make gmo crops.

All 1700 of them?

davor · 09-06-2015, 14:58

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Originally Posted by epicurian

All 1700 of them?

Yes, show me one fully independent gmo research and I take it back.

epicurian · 09-06-2015, 17:35

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Originally Posted by davor

Yes, show me one fully independent gmo research and I take it back.

Tell me why I should trust your analysis of the data from 1700 studies above that of the WHO, The National Academy of Sciences, the publishers of Science, et al? Have you read them all?

Anyway, here's a meta review from a team of Italian scientists: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...urnalCode=bty&
The scientific research conducted so far has not detected any significant hazards directly connected with the use of GE crops

and A Decade of EU-funded Research: http://ec.europa.eu/research/biosoci...o_research.pdf
This new publication aims to contribute to the debate on GMOs by disseminating the outcomes of research projects to scientists, regulatory bodies and to the public. It follows up previous publications on EU-funded research on GMO safety. Over the last 25 years, more than 500 independent research groups have been involved in such research.

According to the projects' results, there is, as of today, no scientific evidence associating GMOs with higher risks for the environment or for food and feed safety than conventional plants and organisms. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release....htm?locale=en

davor · 09-06-2015, 19:28

EU and WHO are in favour of big businesses, corrupted officials etc. independent study means the one that is truly self-financed and conducted. WHO is the most corrupted UN body there is. They accept bribes from pharmaceutical companies,big corporations, politicians and who knows who else.

epicurian · 09-06-2015, 21:11

Who's paying off the Italian scientists? Who's paying off the Department of the Pharmacology and Toxicology, College of Veterinary Science, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India? Or the authors of the 114 peer-reviewed articles, not funded by corporations, listed at the bottom of this article? http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...ence-gmo-safe/

This is so reminiscent of arguing with climate-change deniers or an anti-vaxers. No matter how much evidence is presented, it will all be instantly dismissed with conspiracy theories and logical fallacies.

So, if you don't accept that we've been eating genetically modified plants for thousands of years through selective breeding, then at the very least provide some evidence, from a quality peer-reviewed journal, that shows how GMOs have been harmful in the last 20 years.

davor · 09-06-2015, 21:24

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Originally Posted by epicurian

Who's paying off the Italian scientists? Who's paying off the Department of the Pharmacology and Toxicology, College of Veterinary Science, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India? Or the authors of the 114 peer-reviewed articles, not funded by corporations, listed at the bottom of this article? http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...ence-gmo-safe/

This is so reminiscent of arguing with climate-change deniers or an anti-vaxers. No matter how much evidence is presented, it will all be instantly dismissed with conspiracy theories and logical fallacies.

So, if you don't accept that we've been eating genetically modified plants for thousands of years through selective breeding, then at the very least provide some evidence, from a quality peer-reviewed journal, that shows how GMOs have been harmful in the last 20 years.

Selective breeding is one thing and pumping crops with alien genes ( fish genes in tomatoes etc.) is another. It's not healthy to add foreign genetic organisms where they do not naturally belong. GMO food is more convenient (cheaper) to grow and thus it's easier to feed the hungry in the poorest areas in the world, I don't object that argument which is valid, I just think that we don't know enough about how gmo organisms in food can alter our bodies, our digestive system and other body functions to claim that gmo is perfectly alright to consume.

If GMO is so safe, why the Americans don't want to label the gmo food and let the people know if something is gmo on the packet?

noise747 · 10-06-2015, 10:43

Not sure what I think about GMO to be honest. I do think it is about big companies, certainly American ones who want to control what we plant and eat. Farmers who buy GM seeds are for ever in the arms of these big companies.
I must admit I am a bit worried about GMO, it have not been proved they are safe and I think forcing a gene from one plant even a anaimal into another plant is maybe not the way to go.
If we do have GMO in this country, then it needs to be labels clearly and not stuck on the back of the packet in tiny writing.

08-06-2015, 20:37	#1
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	BBC Panorama - GMO food Here we go again. Another attempt at trying to convince the public GMO food is not harmless without much scientific data available.

08-06-2015, 20:41	#2
LostFool Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 59,737	Quote: Originally Posted by davor Here we go again. Another attempt at trying to convince the public GMO food is harmless without much scientific data available. Is there any scientific evidence to say that it isn't harmless?

08-06-2015, 20:43	#3
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	I think it IS not harmless. I'm strongly against GMO organisms in food. Big companies however are trying to convince us GMO is safe by sponsoring various biased scientific researches and promoting it on TV in Europe as America is getting ready for EU USA free trade agreement to come in force soon.

08-06-2015, 21:36	#4
LostFool Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 59,737	Quote: Originally Posted by davor I think it IS not harmless. I'm strongly against GMO organisms in food. Big companies however are trying to convince us GMO is safe by sponsoring various biased scientific researches and promoting it on TV in Europe as America is getting ready for EU USA free trade agreement to come in force soon. I'd rather look at the scientific evidence than the views of some tin foil hatted conspiracy theorists.

09-06-2015, 14:43	#5
epicurian Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15,890	Well the studies into the safety of GMOs have been plentiful, and several organisations, including the WHO, have looked at the researched and said that GMOs are no riskier for your health than their non-GMO counterparts. I'm not saying this is the final word and people should stop asking questions, but considering how long GMOs have been around, I can't say I'm worried. After all, human beings have been modifying the genes of crops for thousands of years by selectively breeding plants with desirable traits. Pretty much all of our crops have been messed with in one way or another. http://www.popsci.com/article/scienc...laims-debunked

09-06-2015, 14:47	#6
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	All the studies on gmo were conducted in America mostly and all were financed by bio tech companies that actually make gmo crops.

09-06-2015, 14:54	#7
epicurian Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15,890	Quote: Originally Posted by davor All the studies on gmo were conducted in America mostly and all were financed by bio tech companies that actually make gmo crops. All 1700 of them?

09-06-2015, 14:58	#8
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	Quote: Originally Posted by epicurian All 1700 of them? Yes, show me one fully independent gmo research and I take it back.

09-06-2015, 17:35	#9
epicurian Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15,890	Quote: Originally Posted by davor Yes, show me one fully independent gmo research and I take it back. Tell me why I should trust your analysis of the data from 1700 studies above that of the WHO, The National Academy of Sciences, the publishers of Science, et al? Have you read them all? Anyway, here's a meta review from a team of Italian scientists: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...urnalCode=bty& The scientific research conducted so far has not detected any significant hazards directly connected with the use of GE crops and A Decade of EU-funded Research: http://ec.europa.eu/research/biosoci...o_research.pdf This new publication aims to contribute to the debate on GMOs by disseminating the outcomes of research projects to scientists, regulatory bodies and to the public. It follows up previous publications on EU-funded research on GMO safety. Over the last 25 years, more than 500 independent research groups have been involved in such research. According to the projects' results, there is, as of today, no scientific evidence associating GMOs with higher risks for the environment or for food and feed safety than conventional plants and organisms. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release....htm?locale=en

09-06-2015, 19:28	#10
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	EU and WHO are in favour of big businesses, corrupted officials etc. independent study means the one that is truly self-financed and conducted. WHO is the most corrupted UN body there is. They accept bribes from pharmaceutical companies,big corporations, politicians and who knows who else.

09-06-2015, 21:11	#11
epicurian Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15,890	Who's paying off the Italian scientists? Who's paying off the Department of the Pharmacology and Toxicology, College of Veterinary Science, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India? Or the authors of the 114 peer-reviewed articles, not funded by corporations, listed at the bottom of this article? http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...ence-gmo-safe/ This is so reminiscent of arguing with climate-change deniers or an anti-vaxers. No matter how much evidence is presented, it will all be instantly dismissed with conspiracy theories and logical fallacies. So, if you don't accept that we've been eating genetically modified plants for thousands of years through selective breeding, then at the very least provide some evidence, from a quality peer-reviewed journal, that shows how GMOs have been harmful in the last 20 years.

09-06-2015, 21:24	#12
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	Quote: Originally Posted by epicurian Who's paying off the Italian scientists? Who's paying off the Department of the Pharmacology and Toxicology, College of Veterinary Science, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India? Or the authors of the 114 peer-reviewed articles, not funded by corporations, listed at the bottom of this article? http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...ence-gmo-safe/ This is so reminiscent of arguing with climate-change deniers or an anti-vaxers. No matter how much evidence is presented, it will all be instantly dismissed with conspiracy theories and logical fallacies. So, if you don't accept that we've been eating genetically modified plants for thousands of years through selective breeding, then at the very least provide some evidence, from a quality peer-reviewed journal, that shows how GMOs have been harmful in the last 20 years. Selective breeding is one thing and pumping crops with alien genes ( fish genes in tomatoes etc.) is another. It's not healthy to add foreign genetic organisms where they do not naturally belong. GMO food is more convenient (cheaper) to grow and thus it's easier to feed the hungry in the poorest areas in the world, I don't object that argument which is valid, I just think that we don't know enough about how gmo organisms in food can alter our bodies, our digestive system and other body functions to claim that gmo is perfectly alright to consume. If GMO is so safe, why the Americans don't want to label the gmo food and let the people know if something is gmo on the packet?

10-06-2015, 10:43	#13
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Not sure what I think about GMO to be honest. I do think it is about big companies, certainly American ones who want to control what we plant and eat. Farmers who buy GM seeds are for ever in the arms of these big companies. I must admit I am a bit worried about GMO, it have not been proved they are safe and I think forcing a gene from one plant even a anaimal into another plant is maybe not the way to go. If we do have GMO in this country, then it needs to be labels clearly and not stuck on the back of the packet in tiny writing.

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