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Old 10-06-2015, 21:34
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I've gave my dog today his duly flea and worming treatment Advocate. my question is will it be ok to shower him tomorrow or do you have to wait.
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Old 10-06-2015, 23:08
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I've gave my dog today his duly flea and worming treatment Advocate. my question is will it be ok to shower him tomorrow or do you have to wait.
Well they say on the packaging that you can shower them after 8 hours, but personally, I'd leave it a day or two (do the paws, etc, but leave the pertinent areas).

No sense in washing the stuff off; it dramatically reduces its effectiveness.
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Old 10-06-2015, 23:14
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Well they say on the packaging that you can shower them after 8 hours, but personally, I'd leave it a day or two (do the paws, etc, but leave the pertinent areas).

No sense in washing the stuff off; it dramatically reduces its effectiveness.
Yeah thought myself its best to leave it for a couple days I'll wait till maybe Monday to be sure. Thanks answering my Q Karis
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Old 10-06-2015, 23:17
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Yeah thought myself its best to leave it for a couple days I'll wait till maybe Monday to be sure. Thanks answering my Q Karis
You are welcome. Any time.

I mention a few days - but really - any washing too early can massively reduce the effectiveness.

My friend had a major flea infestation last year; the vet said it was undoubtedly because she bathed and showered her dogs too often and it was impacting on the effectiveness of the Advocate.

She now uses Bravecto and can wash her muttleys as often as she likes!
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Old 11-06-2015, 15:07
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I ask my customers to put the stuff on at least a week before they bring them to me, so that it's had a chance to be absorbed into the dog's skin/system by the time it's bathed. Bathing/showering them too soon will just wash it back off!
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Old 11-06-2015, 15:38
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I always apply Advocate after my fellow has had a bath and had a few hours to dry fully...surely this is the logical way around ?
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Old 11-06-2015, 21:55
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I always apply Advocate after my fellow has had a bath and had a few hours to dry fully...surely this is the logical way around ?
Yes if you religiously put it on them every month without fail, but a lot of people don't. Some put it on every few months, some apply it only when they remember and I've even had some who thought once you'd put it on them once you never had to bother again! As a precaution, and in the best interests of both myself, and other customers, I request that all dogs have got up to date parastite protection, and if they haven't, I politely but firmly insist that they treat the dog at least a week before its booked in, to give it a chance to be absorbed and to do its job if needed. The very last thing I want is one of my canine customers bringing or going away with something they shouldn't and I will do my utmost best to make sure it doesn't happen. It is my one and only real rule that I won't bend on, I'm not a fan of strict rules generally, but this one gets no leeway, and once its pointed out to the owner that they wouldn't be happy if fido took some friends home because I was lax and couldn't care less, they quickly agree with my policy!
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Old 12-06-2015, 18:30
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Reading this thread makes me wonder how often people bathe their pets if they are concerned about how soon they can bathe after a monthly flea treatment.
I don't think it is recommended to bathe too often. Can't remember when my collie was last done. There again she is not a stinky dog.
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Old 12-06-2015, 18:44
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Same with my dogs, they get a bath when they roll in messy stuff, or otherwise in the summer. I also believe it is not good to do that too often to a dog, because all the natural oil gets washed out. When they get wet in the rain they get a good rub down and then a brush.

if you bathe your dog too often, you might cause skin irritation and flaking.
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Old 13-06-2015, 09:13
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Yes if you religiously put it on them every month without fail, but a lot of people don't. Some put it on every few months, some apply it only when they remember and I've even had some who thought once you'd put it on them once you never had to bother again! As a precaution, and in the best interests of both myself, and other customers, I request that all dogs have got up to date parastite protection, and if they haven't, I politely but firmly insist that they treat the dog at least a week before its booked in, to give it a chance to be absorbed and to do its job if needed. The very last thing I want is one of my canine customers bringing or going away with something they shouldn't and I will do my utmost best to make sure it doesn't happen. It is my one and only real rule that I won't bend on, I'm not a fan of strict rules generally, but this one gets no leeway, and once its pointed out to the owner that they wouldn't be happy if fido took some friends home because I was lax and couldn't care less, they quickly agree with my policy!
Thank you for the informed reply , as an aside just an unintentional at

and I've even had some who thought once you'd put it on them once you never had to bother again!
It's understandable I appreciate - especially for new pet owners, but that did nonetheless make me laugh - sorry to anyone it ever applied to

As for the bathing and application of Advocate. Personally, I tend to give my Staffie-X a bath once every 3 months approx. An old family vet told us years ago - that 'I shouldn't really say this..' and went on to say that flea treatment was more than sufficient once every 3-4 months for dogs, unless in conditions where particularly susceptible to outbreaks of flea infestation. Went on to maintain that the monthly application regime, was just cynical mass mis-information so as to turn as high a profit as possible to sell products.

That must be nearly 30 years ago now, and in that time having owned two Staffies, and now my 'idiotic' (*JOKE..he's ace) little fractitous Staffie-X, I have to say that this timetable has worked well. Bath, let dry then apply the Advocate.

However you know what you are talking about - and so only proferring personal history, not alluding to being correct in my approach

As an aside. The price of Advocate is simply horrendous. My vet sell 3 pipettes for circa £33/34 for a large dog. Yet you can buy them online for virtually half that price..the only problems being

1. You need a prescription...AND

2. My vet charges £10 for a printed prescription which is valid for just 4 weeks, making the saving close to negligible once you factor in the time to arrange for said prescription, print a copy and post/mail it in to the online chemist.

By the way..just in case anyone's interested..my little mate's bathing 'recipe' is one small cap of Original Source Mint and Tea Tree shower gel, in which I add 1 - 2 drops of Citronella essential oil.

Years ago was told that this was an excellent combo for both gentle/effective cleaning..and because the citric properties were believed to have a great deterence affect to fleas. Remember trying it warily once at the time, but the results were excellent. Super clean, great shine..and fleas ? Never been a problem along with the pricey Advocate solution.

Again I defer to anyone with better info than myself..it's just been a case of trial and error over many years..and seems to work exceptionally well.
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Old 13-06-2015, 12:14
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Yes if you over bath a dog you will strip the natural oils out of its coat, which will dry the skin up, and even more so with double coated breeds, remove the protection it gets when going out in the rain and cold, which is why you shouldn't take a dog out for a walk immediately after bathing it in cold/wet weather. It takes a few days for its 'weatherproofing' to get back up to scratch again.

When a dog jumps in the river/sea/lake/pond on a daily walk, it doesn't do any harm, because only the top of the coat gets wet, the undercoat keeps the dog dry and stops the water going to the skin (which is why they will gleefully throw themselves into the river in the middle of january!). When you bath one however, you go right down through the coat, soaking it completely to the skin, so its not dry 'underneath' which is why too much bathing will irritate the skin and remove the weatherproof-ness of the coat, and also why unless it's very hot, you should dry them thoroughly, instead of 'a quick shake and leave them be'. A dog that's been in the river will be virtually bone dry all over by the end of the walk, a dog that's been bathed and left to dry naturally could take hours depending on the length and density of the coat.

However there are exceptions, one of my doggie customers has awful skin problems and has to be bathed every two weeks to keep on top of it and keep him comfortable. And show dogs are bathed on a much more frequent basis in the show season, I met somebody who had to bath their poodle every three days whilst showing it because their hair was so high maintenance in full show clip, but again this is only for a couple of weeks every now and then, not weekly on a constant basis. My most frequent customers come every six weeks, and their bathed every time with no issues, so I would say that every six weeks is quite often enough for the average dog if the owner wants to bath it. I have known of people who bath their dogs every week because they don't like having any dog smell in the house, which really makes you wonder why on earth they got one in the first place.

It is a good idea to bath your dog now and then whether it's particularly smelly or not, as it has other advatanges. It gets your dog used to being handled, having its feet, tail, ears and face moved, it lets you examine and feel for any bumps, lumps or sores that might have been missed under a fluffy coat and let's you spot any signs of unwanted visitors which again are easily missed in dense fur.

The price of your Advocate is staggering! Won't they sell you one pipette instead of all three at once? Advocate is one of the most expensive spot on's though, because it does various mites and certain worms too, ones that do flea/tick tend to be slightly cheaper, but if you've got something that works it's often best to just grit your teeth and stick to it!
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Old 13-06-2015, 13:49
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Yes if you over bath a dog you will strip the natural oils out of its coat, which will dry the skin up, and even more so with double coated breeds, remove the protection it gets when going out in the rain and cold, which is why you shouldn't take a dog out for a walk immediately after bathing it in cold/wet weather. It takes a few days for its 'weatherproofing' to get back up to scratch again.

When a dog jumps in the river/sea/lake/pond on a daily walk, it doesn't do any harm, because only the top of the coat gets wet, the undercoat keeps the dog dry and stops the water going to the skin (which is why they will gleefully throw themselves into the river in the middle of january!). When you bath one however, you go right down through the coat, soaking it completely to the skin, so its not dry 'underneath' which is why too much bathing will irritate the skin and remove the weatherproof-ness of the coat, and also why unless it's very hot, you should dry them thoroughly, instead of 'a quick shake and leave them be'. A dog that's been in the river will be virtually bone dry all over by the end of the walk, a dog that's been bathed and left to dry naturally could take hours depending on the length and density of the coat.

However there are exceptions, one of my doggie customers has awful skin problems and has to be bathed every two weeks to keep on top of it and keep him comfortable. And show dogs are bathed on a much more frequent basis in the show season, I met somebody who had to bath their poodle every three days whilst showing it because their hair was so high maintenance in full show clip, but again this is only for a couple of weeks every now and then, not weekly on a constant basis. My most frequent customers come every six weeks, and their bathed every time with no issues, so I would say that every six weeks is quite often enough for the average dog if the owner wants to bath it. I have known of people who bath their dogs every week because they don't like having any dog smell in the house, which really makes you wonder why on earth they got one in the first place.

It is a good idea to bath your dog now and then whether it's particularly smelly or not, as it has other advatanges. It gets your dog used to being handled, having its feet, tail, ears and face moved, it lets you examine and feel for any bumps, lumps or sores that might have been missed under a fluffy coat and let's you spot any signs of unwanted visitors which again are easily missed in dense fur.

The price of your Advocate is staggering! Won't they sell you one pipette instead of all three at once? Advocate is one of the most expensive spot on's though, because it does various mites and certain worms too, ones that do flea/tick tend to be slightly cheaper, but if you've got something that works it's often best to just grit your teeth and stick to it!
Just checked..and here are the exact details.

Yes they will sell individual pipettes..price £11.47 per pipette - *NO* discount regardless of how many you buy

It's Vets4Pets btw. Only one other vet (an independent concern) in my large postcode..can't recall their exact prices, except I know they were more expensive.
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Old 17-06-2015, 04:38
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Just checked..and here are the exact details.

Yes they will sell individual pipettes..price £11.47 per pipette - *NO* discount regardless of how many you buy

It's Vets4Pets btw. Only one other vet (an independent concern) in my large postcode..can't recall their exact prices, except I know they were more expensive.
Never quoted myself before..there's always a first time I guess

So if anyone has any 'legal' ideas given it's a prescription medication of purchasing Advocate for dogs - large, 10 - 25 kg - cheaper, then me and my wallet will be grateful..!!

The fact that Vets4Pets (only local viable option for me in terms of a vet), charge £10 for a prescription valid for just 4 weeks, is a part of the head-scratching conundrum in trying to shave off a few bob..if possible.
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Old 28-09-2016, 22:57
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Bathed my dog before, and put flea treatment on him after he got out. Wasn't thinking. He was still pretty damp when I put it on him (used the hairdryer on him, t'was about 10 minutes after he got out the bath that I put the flea treatment on).

Doubting myself now and thinking I should have waited a couple of hours until he was fully dry. Will the treatment still work or would I be better off buying some more? Obviously don't want to overdose.
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:12
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I don't bathe my dogs often - maybe once a month - if that.

But I do shower down their undercarriage after every walk - they get allergies and it seriously OMG seriously cuts them down to next to nothing.
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Old 30-10-2016, 14:14
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I know that thete is a direct link to advocate web home page that lets you purchase the pipetts directly from the makers, however you have to ask your vet for a prescription for advocatte, then send it to them, and the price difference is well worth doing, and it points out the vets high profit margine..maybe a thought for some of you members to persue
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