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Can anyone point to any credible source of information about 'banning non App Store stuff'? Also surely it's the OEMs that bundle PCs with bloatware not Microsoft? Is there any evidence that MS are going to take away the option to uninstall stuff including optional windows components?
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Can anyone point to any credible source of information about 'banning non App Store stuff'? Also surely it's the OEMs that bundle PCs with bloatware not Microsoft? Is there any evidence that MS are going to take away the option to uninstall stuff including optional windows components?
It sounds unlikely though. People forget that MS also has to cater for the business market. If businesses can't customise the install of W10 to suit their needs they just won't use it. |
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Now this page will be a source. I haven't read everything about W10, but this is the first place where I saw it.
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Do you have a link?
It sounds unlikely though. People forget that MS also has to cater for the business market. If businesses can't customise the install of W10 to suit their needs they just won't use it.
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Alanwarwic has been posting his fears about how an app store leads to banning of installation of apps from outside the app store since before the launch of Windows 8.
It's not happening, the Win32 applications is the only serious developer ecosystem Microsoft has right now and these apps are not going anywhere or Windows as a platform is down the toilet. What is positive though is they are allowing these Win32 applications to be published in the store and found there. Using App-V style technology, they will come with Store benefits like easy install and uninstall and using the store purchase authentication rather than having to deal with ISV licensing and codes etc. |
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I think there may be some confusion due to the new way MS want to have the unified system. I think that the 'only apps from the official store' talk refers to the Universal apps that will apply across platforms.
If they were going to ban Third party programmes from the desktop, I'm guessing they would have done it from day one and they haven't. |
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Linux has updates too. I have a DB server and a NAS which get updates at least once a month.
noise747 always needs something to complain about. |
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I have decided to defer upgrading to Win 10. I do not want forced updates maybe at inconvenient times.
I have seen an article that despite the option to control updates being blanked you can still regain control via the Group Policy Editor. http://www.markspcsolution.com/2014/...indows-10.html Will this still work? |
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If the scanner's a USB one you could probably attach it to a Raspberry Pi and turn it into a network scanner.
I recently did this with a multi-function printer and it works perfectly. Linux clients don't need to do any configuration to use the printer, just open the printer preferences and the printer should appear and be immediately usable. Accessing the scanner just requires adding the Rpi's IP address or hostname into SANE's net.conf file. Windows has native client support for IPP for the printer, although it's not as easy to setup as Linux or Mac. One nice benefit is that you don't need exact drivers for your printer (useful if your manufacturer hasn't updated them for your new OS). So long as CUPS on Linux has drivers for the printer when you add the printer to Windows you can use a generic Postscript driver (like MS Publisher Imagesetter) and the RPi will handle everything for you. For accessing the scanner under Windows you can install WiaSane. Accessing the network printer under OS X is almost as easy as Linux. Just open the Printer Preferences, click the + and the printer will appear in the dialogue where you can add it. Again the RPi will handle all the work. Unfortunately i couldn't get network scanning working under OS X due to the way Apple's set up their system. It's my hope someone in the opensource community will eventually create an AirScan frontend for SANE so it will be just as easy as printers shared by CUPS. CUPS also emulates an AirPrint printer, so any iOS devices on the network will also be able to print to it. The main software comes with the drivers with it, but old drivers, so I have to install the new drivers first and then install the software.l The windows 10 built in scan software works, well sometimes. It sometimes get confused with duplex scanning. My printer is already wireless, but I have got it on USB to the main computer, I use it wireless from the laptop and tablet, not that I use either that often. Quote:
It's better than the current Windows 8.1 situation, but only slightly. I had hoped they would take a leaf out of the past 15 years of Linux desktops and have a start menu which enforced proper categorisation instead of just dumping everything into "Programs". I agree with you about Linux menus, |
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I already have, this Pc is dual boot, Mint and Windows 8, Ok if you count Windows 10 it is treble boot, but to use Windows 10 I have to press F11 on start up and select the drive to boot from.
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Microsoft Offce is one of the biggest pieces of bloatware around.
And not everyone wants Skype. |
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It's not the updates he's bothered by but the inability to control them. I assume with Linux you can?
Linux updates software as well as the Os if the software is downloaded from the repositories. |
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And i hate that awful menu that Windows 10 have.
But I assume Classic Shell (and others) will still do business on Win 10. |
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You're sorted then. Nuff said.
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Microsoft Offce is one of the biggest pieces of bloatware around.
And not everyone wants Skype. For example, people say that Office has a ton of features that most people don't use. Most use, say, 5% of its features. MS replied: "yes, but everyone uses a different 5%." Not just with Office, but with other products too, vendors sometimes strip out the so-called "bloat" and then are met with howls of protest about feature X, Y and Z no longer being there. Look what happened to the stripped back Opera 15 for example. |
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I use start is back for Windows 8, it is not available on window 10 yet as far as I know, It is the the size of the menu, it is massive, I know now that it can be reduced in size, but it is still pretty wide and the silly tiles, MS should really give people a choice of having tiles or text,.
I agree with you about Linux menus, http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1740...tisback-beta3/ |
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Do you have a link?
It sounds unlikely though. People forget that MS also has to cater for the business market. If businesses can't customise the install of W10 to suit their needs they just won't use it. But even locking down the Home edition would not be the smartest move. It would just accelerate the consumer market decline. |
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Why not test the Start it Back + + beta to go with the Insider builds.
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1740...tisback-beta3/ Installed and working and what a difference. |
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I suppose they could theoretically lock down the Home edition in this way, but obviously not businesses. It would give them a greater incentive to look for alternatives. Plus there's a ton of bespoke business applications that could not possibly work in this way.
But even locking down the Home edition would not be the smartest move. It would just accelerate the consumer market decline. |
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Yes, that is the way I see it going. If the business model gives it near free to manufacturers then the best case would be a $10+ app to unlock it.
The totalitarian no going back and the compulsory installs do strongly hint towards some sort of plan. |
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That would kill windows even faster than is happening now. I know must people install software that have been downloaded these days, but not being able to get software from other sources would certainly put people off windows.
Obviously for phone and tablet the case is different and if you want an app that works through all three then insisting it only comes from the official store makes sense. |
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Free and legal workarounds will pop-up for all sorts of issues when the code has settled
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The compulsory updates likely make those very short lived.
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Who has gone for the Custom Upgrade/Install and who has clicked Express (Recommended)?
I was rather perturbed by what MS thought default Privacy settings should be I only allowed sharing Location Data (for weather and news and maybe maps) |
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It's not the updates he's bothered by but the inability to control them. I assume with Linux you can?
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