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Some computers cannot run W10. However the normal single click method of upgrading is flaky and the error message may not be true.
The most reliable method is to download the iso and run its setup.exe. If that fails, some people have reported success with Workarounds for their Model's architecture. The last resort is to remain on W7 and if that needs reinstalling (Repair Install), do that instead. From MS blog.... Windows 10 Upgrades for the Pros For people looking to create offline media to upgrade one or more PCs, we’re also making improvements. Soon, we will update the Media Creation Tool which is used to create DVD ISOs or USB keys, to create a single image capable of upgrading any 32bit or 64 bit, Home or Pro, device. You can use this media to upgrade any number of Genuine PCs, and even do clean installs wherever you have a Windows license. |
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I see there's a new media creation (iso) tool coming soon.
From MS blog.... Windows 10 Upgrades for the Pros For people looking to create offline media to upgrade one or more PCs, we’re also making improvements. Soon, we will update the Media Creation Tool which is used to create DVD ISOs or USB keys, to create a single image capable of upgrading any 32bit or 64 bit, Home or Pro, device. You can use this media to upgrade any number of Genuine PCs, and even do clean installs wherever you have a Windows license. The new media creation too is way over due. |
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Also according to this article on Betanews, Ms is going to push windows 10 even more, Their word is bully and they could be right.
The new media creation too is way over due. There are so many numpties in this world they put all of us at risk. |
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Bullying is never right and W10 ain't "The Best OS ever"
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If it gets people onto a modern secure OS from machines still running dangerously exposed systems then in this instance bullying might be justified.
There are so many numpties in this world they put all of us at risk. Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?Also, how many people have have been infected from someone else's PC ... rather than an infected web-site or malevolent email? |
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What an arrogant (or is it 'ignorant') tirade!
Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?Also, how many people have have been infected from someone else's PC ... rather than an infected web-site or malevolent email? Most are used to using pcs at work which are well protected. PS cars (UK) must have seatbelts by law for safety. That is what MS are trying to do. Regrettably the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. |
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What an arrogant (or is it 'ignorant') tirade!
Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?Also, how many people have have been infected from someone else's PC ... rather than an infected web-site or malevolent email? |
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Whilst faust may be a bit strong in his opinion, I do basically agree because a very high fraction of pc users (I would guess over 70%0 based on my experiences with friends/colleagues of which many are well educated) really do not know how to keep an os secure.
Most are used to using pcs at work which are well protected. PS cars (UK) must have seatbelts by law for safety. That is what MS are trying to do. Regrettably the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. Also, for reference, the law on seat belts was not made retrospective, i.e. vehicles made before a specified date were (and still are) exempt from that law. AFAIK, only one law to do with vehicles was made retrospective and that was passed back in the late 50s IIRC. |
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If it gets people onto a modern secure OS from machines still running dangerously exposed systems then in this instance bullying might be justified.
There are so many numpties in this world they put all of us at risk. MS is still supporting Windows 7 and Windows 8.1, so how are they exposed? I agree with what this article says on The Register in that it could cause people to stop their computers auto updating, so make things worse. I never allow my computer to auto update, still running windows 8.1 here. I don't think this bullying have anything to do with security, it is just Ms trying to get us all onto their newest baby as they are worried it will fail, they also want to grab as much info from us using their spy tactics on Windows 10 to chuck adverts at us. According to this article from Betanews, Windows 10 is not growing as fast as MS would have liked, to be honest, if 10 was that great then more people would have updated by now. |
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BUT the upgrade (forced or otherwise) isn't for those running 'hazardous' OSes (i.e. Vista or earlier) but for those running OSes still being maintained (security-wise). So it isn't addressing the problem as you state it. Also, thank goodness, MS is not the 'law'; it is a commercial enterprise only interested (ultimately) in making money.
Also, for reference, the law on seat belts was not made retrospective, i.e. vehicles made before a specified date were (and still are) exempt from that law. AFAIK, only one law to do with vehicles was made retrospective and that was passed back in the late 50s IIRC. |
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BUT the upgrade (forced or otherwise) isn't for those running 'hazardous' OSes (i.e. Vista or earlier) but for those running OSes still being maintained (security-wise). So it isn't addressing the problem as you state it. Also, thank goodness, MS is not the 'law'; it is a commercial enterprise only interested (ultimately) in making money.
Also, for reference, the law on seat belts was not made retrospective, i.e. vehicles made before a specified date were (and still are) exempt from that law. AFAIK, only one law to do with vehicles was made retrospective and that was passed back in the late 50s IIRC. Re cars - talk about splitting hairs - rolling my eyes! |
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Mates got a Silver ghost, no seat belts in it or required.
Your 'mate' would like seat belts if he crashes his old crate, the same as folk who leave their OS unprotected and moan when it all goes breast up.
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Don't like it - don't use it - your choice.
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Then you have the answer. MS have decided commercially that forcing security updates is what they wish to do. It's a private company, and free to choose its modus operandi. Don't like it - don't use it - your choice.
Re cars - talk about splitting hairs - rolling my eyes! |
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Oh dear, your back from your holiday
Your 'mate' would like seat belts if he crashes his old crate, the same as folk who leave their OS unprotected and moan when it all goes breast up.Anyway, I think if he crashed the car he would be more worried about the cost it would cost to get it fixed unless he was badly hurt. Not that the car is used on the roads that often, mainly used for shows. Just because a person is using a older OS, do not mean they are unprotected, windows 7 is still patched and most people should have some sort of security software, Windows 8.1 is the same, in fact Windows 8.1 got Defender built in, not that I would trust it, but it is better than nothing., Maybe you don't mind MS downloading a load of data to your computer and then try to force your computer to update to another OS, but a lot of people do. As have been said many times, some people do not have a unlimited broadband and also some have small hard drives. Example is one person I know that got a little netbook with Windows 7 starter, 60Gb SSD hard drive in there, pretty full, download windows 10 on there and the drive will fill up. I have disabled auto update on it, the problem is I now have to update it manually. They are going to stick Windows 10 on it at some point, just not yet. |
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Microsoft has proven over time they send out dodgy updates not fully tested.
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Anyone cured the "Dead Microphone" since W10 Download, no sound recording at all on any level, no "Green Bars", but it says "This device is working correctly" but it aint, yes I have googled & tried everything to no avail, yes tried "Troubleshooting-fix this problem, "Fixed" but it aint. No driver updates available (Medion) Thanks.
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and also some have small hard drives.
Example is one person I know that got a little netbook with Windows 7 starter, 60Gb SSD hard drive in there, pretty full, download windows 10 on there and the drive will fill up. I have disabled auto update on it, the problem is I now have to update it manually. The actual MS W10 reserved update that was HP modified also works fine and is not that much different in size, but would not recommend that way, as it does carry over and updates the hp 'crapware'. In fact the one I have uses a few gb less than 8.1 did, also all docs and files sit on multiple cloud drives and not on the machine, much the intention of these and is the way I encourage users to use them effectively. But, would always suggest to anyone, to have a look at their drive contents first and think before upgrading to W10 to remove a lot of their unnecessary files/progs, download history, recycle, temp files etc. How often I hear; 'oh I do not need that', 'oh a friend installed that', 'all those photos are duplicates', 'I have them on 'bla bla' now'. Welcome back by the way! |
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Microsoft should introduce a Rollback function for Windows Updates***.
It is unacceptable that some users are having their computers screwed and the vast majority are not technical because they have work and families and can't spend hours and days getting their systems back to normal and learning all the ins and outs of what the OS is up to. It's a bit easier for regular tinkerers, experts, but I still have to Google for many problems and then trial and error. *** And if you say System Restore, it must be automatic, obvious and easy to access, which it isn't |
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Microsoft should introduce a Rollback function for Windows Updates***.
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As well as a simple way to create your own windows apps, app studio has moved on and you can now easily submit them to the app store using the Windows app studio.
- Directly submit your app - Generate Windows 10 store packages - Full screen simulator - Windows App Studio Collection App - Advanced theme and icon editors - Initial Windows 10 IoT support - Source code on GitHub for libraries and sample apps - Live Tiles editor http://appstudio.windows.com/en-us |
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Anyone cured the "Dead Microphone" since W10 Download, no sound recording at all on any level, no "Green Bars", but it says "This device is working correctly" but it aint, yes I have googled & tried everything to no avail, yes tried "Troubleshooting-fix this problem, "Fixed" but it aint. No driver updates available (Medion) Thanks.
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Have installed about 30+ who have hp stream and similar laptops with only 32 eMMC that came with 8.1 and had no trouble with upgrading to W10 and not one of them, new or used had any disk problems updating to W10. All with the media creation tool.
The actual MS W10 reserved update that was HP modified also works fine and is not that much different in size, but would not recommend that way, as it does carry over and updates the hp 'crapware'. In fact the one I have uses a few gb less than 8.1 did, also all docs and files sit on multiple cloud drives and not on the machine, much the intention of these and is the way I encourage users to use them effectively. But, would always suggest to anyone, to have a look at their drive contents first and think before upgrading to W10 to remove a lot of their unnecessary files/progs, download history, recycle, temp files etc. How often I hear; 'oh I do not need that', 'oh a friend installed that', 'all those photos are duplicates', 'I have them on 'bla bla' now'. ![]() I was on about the way Ms is trying to force people to update by downloading Windows 10 files onto their computer without their permission and then starting the installation. The starting of the installation have not happened yet, but from next year it will. If you know you want to update and register to update, then yes you should make sure there is run, how ever you update either via the media creation tool ( the best way) or via direct download. Some people I know will not use cloud storage, I know the one who owns the netbook certainly will not. Nice netbook to be honest and pretty fast as netbooks goes even with windows 7 on it. I am still using Windows 8.1 myself, but I did do a update of windows 10 and then did a clean install and made a image of it, so it is there if I decide to use it. Quote:
Welcome back by the way!
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As well as a simple way to create your own windows apps, app studio has moved on and you can now easily submit them to the app store using the Windows app studio.
- Directly submit your app - Generate Windows 10 store packages - Full screen simulator - Windows App Studio Collection App - Advanced theme and icon editors - Initial Windows 10 IoT support - Source code on GitHub for libraries and sample apps - Live Tiles editor http://appstudio.windows.com/en-us I don't think I use any Windows 8 so called apps and going to Windows 10 will be no different, |
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Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?
Your 'mate' would like seat belts if he crashes his old crate, the same as folk who leave their OS unprotected and moan when it all goes breast up.
