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Old 02-11-2015, 20:37
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What would happen if the user did do a System Restore or whatever it's called in Windows 10 to an earlier date in order to get rid of an update that was causing problems. Would the automatic update in Windows 10 then say, "Oh look, there's an update that needs to be applied" and goes ahead and downloads it again.
Yes.

But an MS App is available to hide the unwanted update, if you catch it in time.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3073930


W10 Pro users can also get a smidgin of control by editing the Group Policy (gpedit.msc) to prevent automatic install

http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/
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Old 02-11-2015, 23:55
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I hate the word App being used for computers, in my world they are programs or software. Apps are mobile phone stuff. i know MS want our computers to be more like mobile phones and a closed garden.
I don't think I use any Windows 8 so called apps and going to Windows 10 will be no different,
Language evolves, so does jargon. I think it's really far out and and fab personally.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:01
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Language evolves, so does jargon. I think it's really far out and and fab personally.
i know you are right, it still don't mean I have to like it. I suppose being that I have been using computers for years now, I remember when software was software.

I still call it software, confuses some younger people.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:57
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In a blog post from MS on Onedrive, they are reducing the storage amount for 365 and free users and removing the unlimited option. Some users were using in excess of 75 terabytes, yes terabytes of storage,

Since we started to roll out unlimited cloud storage to Office 365 consumer subscribers, a small number of users backed up numerous PCs and stored entire movie collections and DVR recordings. In some instances, this exceeded 75 TB per user or 14,000 times the average. Instead of focusing on extreme backup scenarios, we want to remain focused on delivering high-value productivity and collaboration experiences that benefit the majority of OneDrive users.

Here are the changes:
- We’re no longer planning to offer unlimited storage to Office 365 Home, Personal, or University subscribers. Starting now, those subscriptions will include 1 TB of OneDrive storage.
- 100 GB and 200 GB paid plans are going away as an option for new users and will be replaced with a 50 GB plan for $1.99 per month in early 2016.
- Free OneDrive storage will decrease from 15 GB to 5 GB for all users, current and new. The 15 GB camera roll storage bonus will also be discontinued. These changes will start rolling out in early 2016.
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https://blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes/
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:51
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In a blog post from MS on Onedrive, they are reducing the storage amount for 365 and free users and removing the unlimited option. Some users were using in excess of 75 terabytes, yes terabytes of storage,

https://blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes/
Can't say I didn't see that one coming. "Unlimited" is nothing more than a marketing phrase and not feasible long-term.
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Old 03-11-2015, 10:53
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While it is prudent not to be too trusting of any company, penalising Free users (15GB down to 5GB) is a kick in the teeth.

What next, "We are introducing subscription charges for those who upgraded Free to Windows 10"?
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Old 03-11-2015, 12:53
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While it is prudent not to be too trusting of any company, penalising Free users (15GB down to 5GB) is a kick in the teeth.

What next, "We are introducing subscription charges for those who upgraded Free to Windows 10"?
Come on, old chap. You know that MS are never going to introduce an annual fee. They would be destroyed by that.

I agree reducing free content is not great but at end of day, it costs to run such a service and TANSTAAFL applies. They have obviously decided they will not be harmed commercially and will limit their costs.
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Old 03-11-2015, 13:01
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Never?
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Old 03-11-2015, 13:09
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Just read what Paul Thurrott was using, quoted below, obviously an advocate of onedrive, but more significant, you have a 12 months grace period and you better start filling up your free onedrive now and get the free offer of Office 365 for a year

So what about people who have already gone over these limits? I am using over 1 TB right now, and OneDrive currently tells me I have 9.7 TB of available storage thanks to Office 365 (10.2 TB), Groove Music Pass (100 GB), Camera roll (15 GB), a loyalty bonus (10 GB), a Bing bonus (100 GB) and two 100 GB enthusiast bonuses.

Microsoft says that it will begin alerting Office 365 consumer subscribers with over 1 TB of stored data, and will let them keep this storage for “at least 12 months.” You’re also welcome to get a prorated refund if you feel this doesn’t meet your needs per the OneDrive Changes FAQ.

If you’re using more than 5 GB of free OneDrive storage, you will likewise be notified and will likewise be given at least 12 months to sort things out. You will also be provided with a free 12-month subscription to Office 365 Personal, which comes with 1 TB of storage.
https://blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes_FAQ/
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Old 03-11-2015, 14:36
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While it is prudent not to be too trusting of any company, penalising Free users (15GB down to 5GB) is a kick in the teeth.
Nothing worse than offering something and then taking it away. I understand restricting unlimited. It was always silly to offer that anyway. But restricting people who were already restricted (so couldn’t abuse it by definition) makes no sense. I assume they just want more revenue but better to offer incentives to pay for more space rather than further restricting existing space. They could also have applied restrictions to new users rather than existing ones, like they did originally. And what about very long-term Hotmail users? No longer any reward for loyalty? Way to go Microsoft!
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Old 03-11-2015, 15:10
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Of course, nobody could be 100% certain but I am willing to bet £10 with you and say they will not do it in the next 10 years

I could see a situation whereby you might have to lease premium features inthre future though. I exclude this from my bet offer.
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Old 03-11-2015, 18:16
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Of course, nobody could be 100% certain but I am willing to bet £10 with you and say they will not do it in the next 10 years

I could see a situation whereby you might have to lease premium features inthre future though. I exclude this from my bet offer.
Microsoft Office is offered in both; purchase and subscription. There's nothing to stop Microsoft offering the choice of purchasing Windows, or having an annual subscription with added benefits such as OneDrive or Xbox Live. In the case of Windows phones and Xbox One the OS is 'free'.
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Old 03-11-2015, 18:23
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Microsoft Office is offered in both; purchase and subscription. There's nothing to stop Microsoft offering the choice of purchasing Windows, or having an annual subscription with added benefits such as OneDrive or Xbox Live. In the case of Windows phones and Xbox One the OS is 'free'.
I kind of wonder if MS are already looking one step beyond to a new OS that will be on a lease basis and that is why they have said Windows 10 is the last version so people will not be able to whinge that Windows has always been on a one off purchase basis.
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Old 03-11-2015, 21:19
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I have just been reading that MS wants all OEMs to stop offering Windows 7 from October 2016, seems a bit long to be honest, I thought they would want them to stop at the end of the year, to get people onto windows 10.

If someone gets a Windows 7 machine after the free update period, them MS have lost the chance to get that person to ten, unless they will still offer machine buyers after that time a free version of windows 10.
Then again I am pretty sure most people who buy a windows 7 machine after the end of this year are pretty sure that is what they want. Saying all of that, getting a windows 7 machine is pretty difficult now, it is not like you can go into your local currys and get one.
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:44
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i know you are right, it still don't mean I have to like it. I suppose being that I have been using computers for years now, I remember when software was software.

I still call it software, confuses some younger people.
In my own mind I regard "App" as meaning mobile software application, i.e., intended to be used by phones, tablets and PCs operating in tablet mode.

I regard "Application" as meaning traditional desktop software application.
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Old 04-11-2015, 18:26
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If someone gets a Windows 7 machine after the free update period, them MS have lost the chance to get that person to ten, unless they will still offer machine buyers after that time a free version of windows 10.
I believe the free update period will be extended indefinitely. They are aiming to get as many people on Windows 10 as quickly as possible - the obvious way to do that is to encourage people to upgrade early by claiming that it's a time limited offer, but then not exclude anyone by actually having a time limit.
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Old 04-11-2015, 19:00
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I realise that most people don't give a damn if they are spied on, but for those that do please have a read of this in relation to Windows 10:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...s-10-tracking/

In short, if you thought that you had switched off all of the built in privacy invasion options within Windows 10 you were wrong .....
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Old 04-11-2015, 19:00
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I believe the free update period will be extended indefinitely. They are aiming to get as many people on Windows 10 as quickly as possible - the obvious way to do that is to encourage people to upgrade early by claiming that it's a time limited offer, but then not exclude anyone by actually having a time limit.
I agree with this.
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Old 04-11-2015, 20:12
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I believe the free update period will be extended indefinitely. They are aiming to get as many people on Windows 10 as quickly as possible - the obvious way to do that is to encourage people to upgrade early by claiming that it's a time limited offer, but then not exclude anyone by actually having a time limit.
No, I can't see that happening. Microsoft have given people a year and nagged them to upgrade for free. By the time the offer is finished next summer there won't be any Windows7/8 PCs to buy.
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Old 04-11-2015, 21:19
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No, I can't see that happening. Microsoft have given people a year and nagged them to upgrade for free. By the time the offer is finished next summer there won't be any Windows7/8 PCs to buy.
Yeah, but getting as many people onto Windows 10 is their overriding concern. No reason why they wouldn't extend the offer or bring it back shortly after it ends, because it'd benefit them to do so. Still, we'll see soon enough.
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Old 04-11-2015, 21:54
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I kind of wonder if MS are already looking one step beyond to a new OS that will be on a lease basis and that is why they have said Windows 10 is the last version so people will not be able to whinge that Windows has always been on a one off purchase basis.
Doubt they'll ever make the core OS subscription as that traditionally was a mainframe style licensing option but that normally was a thing that included hardware maintenance and direct support and its been known to cost the suppliers a hell of a lot of money when things go wrong as you usually have a very lawyer friendly SLA and if they can't get the system working after X hours there's monies to be paid.

There idea will be a basic free (or very cheap) OS where you can bolt on everything you want for a fee so if you need Xbox integration you can pay a quid a month for being able to do it, micro transactions are the way forward as parents may balk at paying 20 quid for something but a quid or two here and there will fly more under the radar.
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Old 04-11-2015, 22:14
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Doubt they'll ever make the core OS subscription as that traditionally was a mainframe style licensing option but that normally was a thing that included hardware maintenance and direct support and its been known to cost the suppliers a hell of a lot of money when things go wrong as you usually have a very lawyer friendly SLA and if they can't get the system working after X hours there's monies to be paid.

There idea will be a basic free (or very cheap) OS where you can bolt on everything you want for a fee so if you need Xbox integration you can pay a quid a month for being able to do it, micro transactions are the way forward as parents may balk at paying 20 quid for something but a quid or two here and there will fly more under the radar.
Enterprise licensing is already on a subscription/contract basis, rather than a fee per seat.
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Old 04-11-2015, 22:16
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Enterprise licensing is already on a subscription/contract basis, rather than a fee per seat.
I should of meant it was for the home consumer not the enterprise clients who can employ lawyers to check out contracts etc.
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Old 04-11-2015, 23:03
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I believe the free update period will be extended indefinitely. They are aiming to get as many people on Windows 10 as quickly as possible - the obvious way to do that is to encourage people to upgrade early by claiming that it's a time limited offer, but then not exclude anyone by actually having a time limit.
You may be right, we will see.
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Old 04-11-2015, 23:13
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I realise that most people don't give a damn if they are spied on, but for those that do please have a read of this in relation to Windows 10:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...s-10-tracking/

In short, if you thought that you had switched off all of the built in privacy invasion options within Windows 10 you were wrong .....
According to shut up 10 all telemetry in windows 10 can be turned off. Windows have for years had some sort of system to send info back to MS when it crashes. I do not like the idea of it sending back data for every thing that goes wrong, my computer is not a test bed.

I am in no hurry to update to ten to be honest, windows 8.1 is working ok, so why bother to change?
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