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I'm also among the ranks of those who have no intention of taking up the offer of a free upgrade from Windows 7. My PC works perfectly well at the moment and I don't want to take the risk of several old but often used programs not working with it. As for Cortana, there are only two words that I would want to say to it.
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I'm awaiting delivery of a brand-new spanking re-conditioned Dell PC with a fantastic state-of-the-art OS on it.
XP. XP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll be able to load all my old software. I'll be able to play my games. Photoshop with Ulead 5. See all my photo's in all my files without having to open them. Edit and mix music with the wonderful Magix that I bought years ago. I won't have Microshite forcing me to downgrade to Windowsbloodyten because it can't. I CAN'T BLOODY WAIT TO HAVE MY BELOVED XP BACK. All for £30 too!! 7 was O-K. 8 Horrendous, 8.1 only a degree worse than horrendous. 10 a nightmare. XP *love icon, heart etc etc* |
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TBH that's actually quite handy. I don't see any disadvantage in disabling features users don't want or need. Performance increases are negligible but slight improvement in boot. Hard to tell with an SSD though !
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It is not really about performance, it is about cutting down the amount of information that is sent to MS.
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Yes I appreciate that. No matter though, our illustrious leaders are working on new powers that make MS look decidedly amateur!
![]() Gone are the days when you could type "bomb" into a search engine and expect your privacy to be respected.
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I don't think I've ever come across anybody who doesn't actually hate Bing and Microsoft's aloof responses to anyone who criticises it.
Given a choice, I use Google. All this talk of 'hating' Bing and Windows 10 is infantile, and appears to be some weird tribal behaviour based on having nothing more important to have strong beliefs about. |
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With XP and 7 you had a choice, with ten you don't
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What an arrogant (or is it 'ignorant') tirade!
Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?Also, how many people have have been infected from someone else's PC ... rather than an infected web-site or malevolent email? As to your second sentence regarding cars no absolutely not, simply prevent them from driving until they can do so in a manner not likely to endanger themselves or others. |
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I really do despair of the human race. Windows 10 - what's not to like? I have installed it on a VM and two Laptops, one once belonged to Fred Flintsone the other is ours and originally came with W7, then upgraded to 8, then 8.1 and now W10.
All the installs updated perfectly and try as I might I cannot trip up this new OS - for me at least it is rock solid stable and every bit of software is still working. I don't care that it updates automatically, it's one less thing to worry about. I always say that a little knowledge is dangerous and I read plenty of posts on these forums from such people. |
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I really do despair of the human race. Windows 10 - what's not to like? I have installed it on a VM and two Laptops, one once belonged to Fred Flintsone the other is ours and originally came with W7, then upgraded to 8, then 8.1 and now W10.
All the installs updated perfectly and try as I might I cannot trip up this new OS - for me at least it is rock solid stable and every bit of software is still working. I don't care that it updates automatically, it's one less thing to worry about. I always say that a little knowledge is dangerous and I read plenty of posts on these forums from such people. In general, most issues have been due the upgrade process not being as robust as it should be, or driver related issues, With the ability of the next rtm version to clean install and use old key rather than having to update first, I think a lot of problems will go away. Of course, the downside is having to reinstall everything etc. I don't give an iota about the privacy issues - I am one person amongst 100 million. If I was important enough to be of 'concern', I would not be using Windows 10. |
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One interesting thing I noticed is that MS are sort of now telling us 10 is more 'service' than 'OS'.
That seems a bit strange in that I see the likes of Mail, Skype, Bing and even Cortana as services, not the OS. Its fascinating really in that even Office is moving towards a cross platform service, to avoid being seen, at least long term, as a dead end service. I have Office, but it is getting on, I don't really use to be honest |
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Yes I appreciate that. No matter though, our illustrious leaders are working on new powers that make MS look decidedly amateur!
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I've still to try 10 (planning to upgrade an 8.1 laptop in the next week). Yes it would be nice to still have a choice. But OTOH, sending crash info is not something I'm going to lose sleep over.
It works faster than windows 7 for sure, but there is so many things wrong with it. |
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I really do despair of the human race. Windows 10 - what's not to like? I have installed it on a VM and two Laptops, one once belonged to Fred Flintsone the other is ours and originally came with W7, then upgraded to 8, then 8.1 and now W10.
All the installs updated perfectly and try as I might I cannot trip up this new OS - for me at least it is rock solid stable and every bit of software is still working. I don't care that it updates automatically, it's one less thing to worry about. I always say that a little knowledge is dangerous and I read plenty of posts on these forums from such people. I have never liked auto updates, certainly ones that don't give you any clue at what it is adding. I don't even let my phone auto update or the apps on it. I can cope just about with security updates, but when Ms say they will add things to windows 10 and you have little choice, then that is enough for me. I do not require most of the stuff that is on ten, I do not need a personal assistant, i do need their apps, I do not need edge, I do not need their new notification panel. I do not need Skype built in as I uses the desktop version., I do not need one drive. I certainly do not need MS knowing what is on my computer. |
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I have software that plays up on 10, a scanner that takes a lot of setting up to get working with 10.
Interesting observation from a person who has stated he does not use Windows 10, or else is telling porkies. |
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Interesting observation from a person who has stated he does not use Windows 10, or else is telling porkies.
No point in complaining about Windows 10 if I did not have a peak is it? I was not going to muck up my Windows 8 installation, so I used a old drive I had here. |
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...then my drive went belly up as it was getting on anyway.
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I really do despair of the human race. Windows 10 - what's not to like?
Not possible, much of it including the curling games were discontinued and never updated for anything beyond XP. There are no other options unless someone knows different. Also Ulead Photo Express 5se was the simplest and best photo-shop software I have ever used. Doesn't work on anything beyond XP either, nor is 6 available with key on the web. There is an update; Photoimpact X3 which is relatively expensive and bloody complicated, and once bought the licence runs out after a month so if you get a new lappy it can't be installed on that. The interface of 10's documents/pictures is ugly and unhelpful. No idea if you can change the font of 10 - I've tried - need a much easier to read font. Anyone help?? if Microsoft had any customer awareness, if a customer buys or upgraded from one OS to another and didn;t like it, MS should allow that customer one free chance to return to any system of his choice, even Vista if they want! |
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10 is okish, but I felt it is not finished, too many bugs and too much changing after launch. It is like buying a car and they tell you that if you bring the car back in a few months they will put a heater in it as they did not have time to put one in when it was built.,
It works faster than windows 7 for sure, but there is so many things wrong with it. As for there being too many changes after launch (which MS implement without so much as a "by your leave"), that's just bug fixing. And it has nothing to do with not having the time to do things when it was built. Compatibility and interoperability issues often only arise in the wild.
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Windows 10 is better then the layout of Digital Spy homepage which will cause its users to go down.
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Windows 10 is better then the layout of Digital Spy homepage which will cause its users to go down.
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if Microsoft had any customer awareness, if a customer buys or upgraded from one OS to another and didn;t like it, MS should allow that customer one free chance to return to any system of his choice, even Vista if they want!
As for your original points, I run a fair bit of legacy crap on my PC and Windows 10 has been able to cope for the most part. You might just need to tweak the compatibility flags on the shortcut or installer to make it run as admin or something. If you were to stick with the 32bit version that even still has the 16bit support for the proper ancient stuff (Win95 and prior). Hell I've had Win3.1 applications going under Win7. |
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MS need to do an apple i think and change platform just so they can dump all the old api's and other crap behind...perhaps create windows 'bah humbug' and windows forward so the humbug will support direct bios formatting of 100k disks as required for dos 1.x and everything else forward but thats the end of the future....no new direct x versions or support for newer cpu's etc but thats life...if apple do it its revolutionary so it should be pretty good for MS users
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I think you must have miss the bits where I have said was a insider tester for windows 10 and had it installed on another hard drive on my computer. I had at the time installed Linux Mint, Windows 8.1 and windows 10. i used Windows 10 until just after it launched, then my drive went belly up as it was getting on anyway.
No point in complaining about Windows 10 if I did not have a peak is it? I was not going to muck up my Windows 8 installation, so I used a old drive I had here. |
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I have software that plays up on 10, a scanner that takes a lot of setting up to get working with 10.
I have never liked auto updates, certainly ones that don't give you any clue at what it is adding. I don't even let my phone auto update or the apps on it. I can cope just about with security updates, but when Ms say they will add things to windows 10 and you have little choice, then that is enough for me. I do not require most of the stuff that is on ten, I do not need a personal assistant, i do need their apps, I do not need edge, I do not need their new notification panel. I do not need Skype built in as I uses the desktop version., I do not need one drive. I certainly do not need MS knowing what is on my computer. Edge - I use Chrome or FF currently. Skype - never use it. OneDrive - use a local account then no need to link to OneDrive. MS app store - never used it. That's how I have my system running. Oh! BTW - Thunderbird is now seen as increasingly unsafe due to the lack of ongoing development - that's industry info not me saying it. I have recently uninstalled the App. I now rely on Gmail with Outlook as the client. Personally I don't care if people adopt W10 or not - most seasoned users can see this is a very good OS and it will continue to evolve. What I find odd is just how much people hate change, it's like someone has stolen their comfort blanket. Goodness only knows what they will be like as they get older. |
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I'd suspect other email systems more than Thunderbird, that being frozen for security and stability. They do security updates for it but maybe being a basic email system, no new flaw get introduced.
Talking of flaws, they reckon Apple users are most at risk, those being the most likely to run outdated software. |
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Personally I don't care if people adopt W10 or not - most seasoned users can see this is a very good OS and it will continue to evolve. What I find odd is just how much people hate change, it's like someone has stolen their comfort blanket. Goodness only knows what they will be like as they get older. Actually age has nothing to do with it (I've been using PCs since pre-dos days). I remember people saying they would not upgrade to XP as they were happy with 98. Crikey, I remember people saying Windows was never going to take off as serious programmers use DOS! When will 7ists get it into their head that 7 is no longer being developed. Sooner or later, hardware/software developers will stop developing drivers/hardware for Windows 7, like they have done largely for XP/Vista. If you want to stay in a technological cul-de-sac, stick with 7. Some people are, as you say, averse to change. All great discoveries and developments come from people with the imagination and desire to make change. |
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Should we make everybody whose car does not have seat-belts or ABS buy a new one?
As for there being too many changes after launch (which MS implement without so much as a "by your leave"), that's just bug fixing. And it has nothing to do with not having the time to do things when it was built. Compatibility and interoperability issues often only arise in the wild.
