I was going to write a detailed response about Thunderbird and the claims above, but felt I'd just be dragging this topic off-topic. I suspect that this "industry insider" comes from an article in Computer Active or its ilk, so instead I'll just post a link to an informative Mozillazine forum post that deals directly with this Thunderbird issue. Maybe it'll put things in context, etc.

Yes, of my main drive, but windows 10 was not important, it was just something I was being nosy about. Makes no difference if I made a system image or not as i do not have another drive for it.

So what about the version that was used at launch? I used that one and still thought it was unfinished and it was and still is. Wow so many bugs and major ones then if you think it is just bug fixing.

I got it set up the way I like now, a decent start menu, never have to see the tiles.

[quote=noise747;80268484]I got it set up the way I like now, a decent start menu, never have to see the tiles.[quote]

Oh really - how interesting.

Anyone got Skype to work with W10? all I get is "Oops something went wrong"(2 different machines)

Are you talking about the store app or the desktop program?

All that moaning and now it's how you like it.??..............No doubt the same will be said about W10 when you realise it's not as bad as you think it is (again!!).....What are you going to do next week after the major update.....You won't have anything real to compare as you won't have used it, bet you still have a moan about it though.......

I didn't write the articles regarding Thunderbird, simply what I have read in a couple of Computer mags recently. In fact the articles were lamenting the lack of development but did however reluctantly state they considered they were no longer very safe.

Mozilla stated they are giving it only security updates only. How that is staying true I'm not sure, but it sounds a lot safer than the OS it runs on!

I have registered with MS to get windows 10 onto her 12 month old Acer Laptop that runs 8.1,but for the last two weeks the message in the task bar simply states

"We're validating Windows 10 for your PC...............Your notification to upgrade could come in a few days or weeks"

I registered my Laptop and get the update within a couple of days

My questions are

1) Is two weeks a long time to wait for it,what is the usual time scale

2) Is there a simple way of getting the update


thanks for any input

Advance warning in case you have issues with the big update due soon. It appears that some testers have found the installation hangs at 40%


The fix is easy, see http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/h...9e9be86fae32ba

Hopefully, though, MS will have fixed the issue before general release.

There were some problems with Acer PCs in the early days after launch, but I hope that is pretty much sorted.

If you don't want to wait, it's easy. Just Google 'Media Creation Tool' and you will find Microsoft's own official software to do the upgrade straight away.

Terms and conditions: always do a backup of your data and preferably a full system image before upgrading. Make sure you have Windows 7 recovery media just in case.

thank you

That's a tip to remove microSD card from a Surface tablet.

In general, remove all cards, USB devices, except keyboard and mouse, when upgrading (or Clean Installing later, or Factory Restoring. This advice has applied for years. Seems MS no longer see fit to give an on-screen warning)

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Media Creation Tool is due to be updated in next 3 weeks.

I'd wait.

Even so, I'd still not use it for on-line upgrade, but to use it to download the iso file and burn a DVD or Flash stick/card or Mount the iso. Then run setup.exe from DVD/Flash/iso

It is THE most reliable method.

Also a Full Image Backup to an external drive gives belt and braces protection, in case the upgrade fails.

How do you know? You're berating a product (the current version) that you admit you haven't used. As you know, there have been changes since the launch (although you appear to be arguing that perfection should have been achieved prior to that, which as I tried to explain is impossible).

Fixing bugs of any magnitude is still bug fixing, yes. As for major bugs, I haven't experienced a single one. Perhaps you could elaborate?

OK, I've given Windows 10 enough time, but I just can't deal with it any more. Keep needing to remove my memory pen and put it back in just to get it to find files. Half of the programs I use aren't compatible with it. Have had several 'cortana and start menu aren't available' hang-ups, which I just can't deal with in my line of work. Oh, and it has f**ked up OneDrive so it won't work with my iPad anymore.

Final straw was finding out that Windows Live Movie Maker is totally incompatible with it, with no alternative available. This is ludicrous.

Can anybody suggest a similarly functional video editor that IS compatible? If not, it's back to Windows 7.

When I used the desktop version of Skype on 10 it worked ok, I never used the app version.

Ok, more to the fact it is set up a way that makes it usable. Windows 8 is still awful, but I realise it does work better than Windows 7 with software I use. TBH, I prefer to use Linux for browsing and office type stuff. Windows is kept really fro Video editing and playing a few games via steam.

From what I have seen of the major update it is not going to make a lot of difference.

As I said the last version I used was the one that was launched to the public, which was not completed and it seems like it still not completed or will not be when the new updates are put out.

What I was trying to get across is what do you call a bug? To me a bug is something is a bit of coding that is doing something it should not be doing. But a lot of the problems with Windows 10 at launch was not bugs, they was either bits that was over looked, like the context menus for instance or bits that was not completed. Look at Edge, when Windows 10 was launched it was almost unusable as it was basic and had no features what so ever. Slowly they are adding features to 10 and edge, features that really should have been there in the first place if you really want those features.

The problem is that if you wait for perfection you'll have to wait forever, MS did rush the build out but that was down to some exec in ASUS i think dropping the date so it was then set in stone.

Probably what happened was the guts were fine and ready for deployment with the big people (who would be paying for the licenses) so MS released it, the short date between going 'gold' and release is where they really f--'d up in the PR terms

BiB:

Do you actually believe that nobody at MS remembered to program a particular context menu or other bit of code on your PC? They just neglected to include it? I should think it far more likely that specific bits of code simply interact in unexpected ways that might cause issues. If a context menu fails to pop up then that's an issue. A bug. (It isn't what I'd class as major though!) Thankfully, bugs can be fixed, even if they can't be avoided. As for Edge, I can't really comment as I don't use it. I was talking about Windows 10.

The whole Universe is a work in progress, anything to do with computers is doubly so, what with their rate of evolution.

I do not expect perfection, but I do expect the OS to be finished. MS saying it is a service and features will be added is just a excuse. What they mean is these are the features we want to add, but we wanted to rush the Os out on time, so we will add them later.

It is not that the context menu fails to pop up, the problem is that the context menus looked different from each other.

There was other small things that was not right.
But to be honest those are small things and would not stop me using the OS.
what I am more bothered about apart from the wanting to know everything about you bit is this service idea and that I would have little control with updates. MS can do anything they want and add anything they want, because they can say it is part of the service. They can change the look and feel of the Os if they want to, because it is part of the service.
They could add what anything they want, because it is part of the service and what about it they suddenly decide that you need a MS account to use it because it is part of the service.

This is my main problem with 10,

Hello, I wonder if anyone can help?

Since changing over from Windows 7 to 10 the sound quality and volume have been compromised greatly, I'd say that max volume is now around 50% less than it was before. This stinks as I watch lot of shows/films online.

Has anyone else encountered this and are there any easyish fixes around?

Thanks in advance.