Not if you are sensible and use media creation tool. Problem is doing it before the updates start to download of course. I did all my pcs asap before the upgrades hit us (nit for bandwidth, but simply for convenience)

So maximum should be 3*n + 3 where n =number of pcs.

No, some people still have dial up. I know two households that do.

Surely, nobody in their right mind would attempt to upgrade to windows 10 by dial up.

Even if upgraded from a usb stick created elsewhere, the forced updates would make it pretty dumb to use windows 10!

Most users don't spend hours in technical forums and reading instructions.

They see the Taskbar popup or read about MCT somewhere and see a simple Button to Upgrade and EXPECT IT TO WORK.

The MCT 1st Page is confusing for inexperienced users. They see "Create for another PC" so don't click on that.


The blurb for W7 USB DVD Download tool was lengthy, but comprehensive.
I don't remember people having lots of problems with it.

Of course you are right re most users regrettably not knowing about the media creation tool. Hardly difficult to have some kind of popup to explain this to users?

I do feel MS should have labelled the usb option something like

"create usb installation drive (may be used on other pcs)"

For all of MS's huge budget, MS does sometimes have a spectacular inability to explain things in simple terms eg the 'windows backup and restore (windows 7)' option confuses everybody when they could just have said 'system image backup and restore' option!

So what if you go and buy a new laptop that have Windows 10 on and still have dial up?
One of the households I know that have dial up is changing to ADSL in the next few weeks, as the cost is not much more than what they are paying for line rental only.

Dialup, thought that disappeared years ago but remember some threads on here about it. Not seen much on that story since as to any update.
Linking this over a year ago, so would not have thought anyone is on it now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23877364

I know one person who is still on dial up.
He lives in a remote part of Kent.

Quite often its possible to get better speeds but it takes effort like the farmer who had to run about 1km of fiber optic cable and mount a 4g receiver up on a pole so it can be rather messy but it could be doable especially if theres a bunch of people wanting to share the service

Sure there are some people left on dialup but do people seriously think MS should cater for these persons with windows 10?

Such persons would only be doing light surfing, and could not really avail themselves of the additional 10 features.

Even i f they bought a new pc with 10 on it, they could still use it, but it would probably be a good idea to use (say) a live linux cd when needing to access the internet instead of windows 10.

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They're bloody mad if they do. It would be a case of having to leave your computer on for so many days until it had finished downloading it. How many homes even have dial-up internet these days? I wouldn't even attempt to download a 700MB film on a dial-up connection.

Especially if the calls still get terminated every two hours like they used to do.

Sounds like a nightmare, There is a reason why things have changed

Sounds like a fantasy.........

Well we have a local company that does internet via wireless, I used them for a couple of years or so and i thought they would have expanded a bit more so this one household could get a decent internet, but they did not expand far enough. ADSL do not reach there, so the only thing is dial up. No mobile signal either. There is talk of fibre happening, but it seems like it could be another 2 years if it happens.

The other household was choice, as they did not really use the net much, just for sending emails, but now their son who is abroad have a child they are thinking about Skype, so I said about a cheap ADSL, the cheapest one is sadly Talk Talk, but it have to be better than dial up.

This dialup stuff is off topic folks.

Indeed it is Stig, I wonder who started the off topic posts lol

It's plane to me!

Ok, here is a thing, something I thought they would have added in Windows 10 is a clipboard manager. I use Clipmate, I have used it for years, I think my version is about 5 years old and it works with Windows 10. I find it very useful, but I thought by now MS would have built one into Windows.

On other forums, some people are reporting they cannot clean install 10586 and activate using a 7/8 retail key on a new pc/mobo as anticipated IF the key is already in use on another PC/mobo.

It looks like you have to either formally uninstall on old pc/mobo (slmgr / upk) or reinstall old OS on new mobo/pc first (telephone activating if necessary) so 7/8 licence is transferred to new PC (ie same as now for transferring retail 7/8). Then you can clean install 10.

Also be aware of a bug if you have installed/upgraded 8.1 pro on a pc originally with oem 8.1 core with key embedded in bios, and you clean install 10. It picks up the 8.1 core key from bios and installs 10 home not pro! Not certain but not an issue with 7 as keys are not embedded i bios.

This is CrossOver

https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux

and these are StartIsBack and Classic Shell

http://startisback.com/

http://www.classicshell.net/


Absolutely, it's risky to keep on using that outdated and unsupported OS and these days free Windows-like replacements, such as LXLE and Linux Lite, can usually be installed even on older equipment.

Of course, the sort of person that remains with XP is 'typically' somebody who bought a PC years ago, and only uses its for emails, word and light surfing. Such a person probably does not have the expertise or inclination to replace with Linux etc.

At best such a person has an antivirus program that they got free with Pc and hopefully kept up to date. In fact, such a person probably only visits (relatively) safe sites.

What I would expect is they when get a serious problem, they call a friend or shop for help, and just end up buying a new PC.

Of course, this is a generalisation, but I suspect is pretty accurate for most remaining domestic XP users (a lot of companies still use XP which is more scary).

I also think the usage of XP stats to some degree are a bit misleading. I would love to see what the usage stats of windows is in differeing world regions, also sub divided into domestic/corporate market.

I suspect in the highly developed countries, the XP percentage is much lower in the domestic market.

One could of course counter argue and say such markets were the ones that grew up on XP and have a higher residual base to get rid of.

Thanks. That info could come in handy for me as I've bought a second hand PC on Ebay (not arrived yet), that comes with a Windows 7 Pro product key on the case but no OS installed.

I was hoping to install Windows 10 Pro using the iso and activate it using the product key on the case. Sounds like that might not be possible unless the product key wasn't actually used to install Windows 7, or it was properly deactivated before the HDD was wiped.
I'll try it anyway.

If not I have a retail copy of Windows 7 Home that was updated to Windows 10 on another PC on which the motherboard has failed (hence the purchase), so hopefully I could get that on the new PC instead, even if telephone activation is required.

Yeah that is interesting. I wonder why you had no OS but key on case. I am guessing seller wiped drive just so you could not access any old data, or possibly may have transferred it to another PC (illegally?).

Worth a try using it or even trying to install 7 first. (Would be 'rough justice' if you activated it and previous user's version became decativated - LOL).

The retail 7 home should work, try 7 home key on 10 installation, if 7 pro key does not work. If neither work, you will have to install 7 home on new pc first as in my prdvious post.

Let us know how you get on as this sort of feedback is useful.

Just a brief comment after the late=ast uodate to version 1511.

All went smoothly, all though somewhat time consuming. Did two computers with no obvious issues.

However, in some way the update process did b*gg*r up my local network settings.

Changed one box from " Public" to "Private" and, on the other box, disabled,, for some obscure reason, the "network discovery" option.

Once those issues had been resolved all is back to normal.

One other point. As this is effectively a complete re-install the windows.old folder is re-created, which takes up a lot of space fr the next month before it gets auto-deleted.


On a trivial note, it is a big improvement having the title bar highlighted in color on the active window.