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oilman
17-11-2015
Originally Posted by Grumpy_Alan:
“Just a brief comment after the late=ast uodate to version 1511.

All went smoothly, all though somewhat time consuming. Did two computers with no obvious issues.

However, in some way the update process did b*gg*r up my local network settings.

Changed one box from " Public" to "Private" and, on the other box, disabled,, for some obscure reason, the "network discovery" option.

Once those issues had been resolved all is back to normal.

One other point. As this is effectively a complete re-install the windows.old folder is re-created, which takes up a lot of space fr the next month before it gets auto-deleted.


On a trivial note, it is a big improvement having the title bar highlighted in color on the active window.”

You can delete windows.old and hidden folders by running disk cleanup. In fact, I am not sure the 30 day rollback limit applies for a 10 RTM to 10 TH2 upgrade.
hyperstarsponge
17-11-2015
The upgrade seems to have mean that I could be a insider if I wanted to. Also I have copy and paste this from the Windows 10 forum:

Quote:
“Today, we reach our next milestone as the first major update to Windows 10 is now available* for PCs and tablets. With this update, there are improvements in all aspects of the platform and experience, including thousands of partners updating their device drivers and applications for great Windows 10 compatibility. Windows 10 also starts rolling out to Xbox One today and select mobile phones soon.

But most importantly, with this free update we have reached the point in the platform’s maturity where we can confidently recommend Windows 10 deployment to whole organizations.

Experience improvements in this update include:


Performance in everyday tasks, such as boot time now nearly 30% faster than Windows 7 on the same device.
With Cortana, you can use your device’s pen** to just scribble a note in the Cortana Notebook and Cortana will recognize the phone number, email address, and even physical address to help you set reminders. Cortana can also now keep track of your event and movie bookings too, sending you helpful reminders to know where to go and get there on time, plus the option to book and track an Uber**. We’re excited to make Cortana available in Japan, Australia, and Canada and India (in English) with features and experiences customized for each market.
Microsoft Edge offers improved performance and security, along with tab preview, which allows you to hover over your open tabs and get a preview of what’s on those websites without leaving the page you’re on. Microsoft Edge now syncs your Favorites and Reading list items across devices so you can easily get back to the content you’re interested in most. And, Cortana will now notify you of the best coupons** from your favorite retailers such as Staples, Macys and Best Buy when shopping in Microsoft Edge.


And much more with improvements to Mail, Calendar, Photos, Groove, Xbox, Store, OneNote, Solitaire, and more!

The Renaissance of the Enterprise PC

Most enterprise PCs today are stranded in a world of complexity. Over the last few years, our expectations of devices and the workplace has changed. People want devices they can touch, with an experience that spans personal with professional use– with continuously updated software that simply just works and is secure. They demand the opportunity to use their own devices in the workplace, and the apps they know and love.

Our IT Pros know they can offer more. With this first major update to Windows 10, we’re empowering them to do so—with the first platform which spans all device types, enables management of both corporate owned and BYOD, and upgrades existing devices. Windows 10 is already actively running on more than 110 million devices including 12 million business PCs, and is compatible with the past while embracing our new way of working.

Simplifying IT for Continuous Innovation

Today we introduce two free services, designed for IT to bridge from today’s complexity to the modern workplace, maintaining control and delivering reliable quality of services:

Windows Update for Business provides IT controls over the deployment of updates within their organizations, while ensuring their devices are kept current and their security needs are met, at reduced management cost. Features include setting up device groups with staggered deployments and scaling deployments with network optimizations.
Windows Store for Business provides IT a flexible way to find, acquire, manage and distribute apps to Windows 10 devices – both Windows Store apps and custom line of business apps. Organizations can choose their preferred distribution method by directly assigning apps, publishing apps to a private store, or connecting with management solutions.


Managing Device Options for the Modern Workplace

Today’s update introduces two capabilities designed for IT to empower people to effectively, and securely, use multiple devices to get their work done:

Mobile Device Management, empowers IT to use the full power of Enterprise Mobility Management to manage the entire family of Windows devices, including PCs, tablets, phones, and IOT. Windows 10 is the only platform that can manage BYOD scenarios from the device to the apps to the data on those devices – safely and securely. And of course, Windows 10 is fully compatible with the existing management infrastructure used with PCs, giving IT control over how they bridge between two capabilities.
Azure Active Directory Join, empowers IT to maintain one directory, enabling people to have one login and securely roam their Windows settings and data across all of their Windows 10 devices. AAD Join also enables any machine to become enterprise ready with a few simple clicks by anyone in the organization.


Securing Your Organization

Every week we see in the news another major data breach – costing organization’s productivity, customer’s trust and driving a real impact to their business. We know these breaches often take 200+ days to detect and we see the tremendous costs of them. Industry experts predict there will be over two million new malware apps by the end of the year. We designed Windows 10 to protect our customers from these modern threats, and continue to strengthen Windows 10 as the most trusted platform ever with features like:

Credential Guard safeguards credentials inside a hardware-based virtualized environment and breaks the popular “pass the hash” used in many major breaches.
Device Guard uses Trusted Boot to prevent intruders from installing malware, helping to keep company devices secure.
Windows Hello*** enables people to say goodbye to passwords with enterprise-grade biometrics including fingerprint and facial recognition.
Windows Defender, our free anti-malware service protecting almost 300 million Windows devices every day.


Coming soon, enterprise data protection will help protect corporate data by separating and containing corporate data from consumer data. Currently in testing with a number of enterprise customers today, enterprise data protection becomes available to Windows Insiders soon. With Windows 10, you will not find a more robust offering for securing your business – anywhere.

Also in today’s update, we’re delivering on our promise to enable our enterprise customers to turn off all telemetry data if they choose. We strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience. We’ll continue to work with third-party experts and incorporate your feedback on this important topic.

Thank you to our Windows Insiders

We’ve talked a lot about our Windows Insider Program, and how that open, collaborative process has been so critical to the choices we’ve made in building Windows 10. I want to thank the Windows Insiders who have continued to participate and invest their time and energy in the program. Throughout this time, we’ve also been investing in our Enterprise Insider Program where our team adopts complex organizations and their needs to ensure Windows 10 is an ideal solution for their devices. We’ve spent thousands of hours with companies like Daimler, NESTLE, KPMG, Hendrick Motorsports, Virgin Atlantic, and the PGA Tour. I can’t thank each of these organizations enough for their investment of time in making Windows 10 great. We’ve incorporated our experience with these companies within our deployment guidance for IT partners, and will continue to update as we partner with all of you to upgrade your organizations to Windows 10.

As always, we are looking forward to your feedback!

Terry
*If already running Windows 10, you will receive the November update according to your Windows Update settings. If you’re running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, you can take advantage of the free upgrade offer and receive the November update as part of your Windows 10 upgrade.
** US only at availability
***Hardware dependent”

RobinOfLoxley
17-11-2015
It's possible to post links instead of Copy & Paste Quotes
andersonsonson
17-11-2015
How long did your update take guys?
emptybox
17-11-2015
Originally Posted by oilman:
“Yeah that is interesting. I wonder why you had no OS but key on case. I am guessing seller wiped drive just so you could not access any old data, or possibly may have transferred it to another PC (illegally?).

Worth a try using it or even trying to install 7 first. (Would be 'rough justice' if you activated it and previous user's version became decativated - LOL).

The retail 7 home should work, try 7 home key on 10 installation, if 7 pro key does not work. If neither work, you will have to install 7 home on new pc first as in my prdvious post.

Let us know how you get on as this sort of feedback is useful.”

Just to update you, the computer came just after I posted.
I clean installed Windows 10 Pro from the new Theshold 2 ISO (made with Media Creation Tool) that I'd put on DVD earlier and entered the Windows 7 Pro product key from the case right at the beginning of the process.
It installed and activated without any issues.

Presumably, as the 64bit ISO covers both Home and Pro versions, it used the product key to decide which to install, because it never asked?

This is an ex business PC, and the seller sells a lot of these, so I presume he wipes all the data as a matter of course. Certainly the drive was just unallocated space.
Probably Windows had originally been bulk installed, so the product key may never have been used before.
Either that or I was just lucky?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-Veriton-M275-Core-2-Duo-E7500-2-933GHz-Win-7-Pro-Tower-PC-4GB-320GB
RobinOfLoxley
17-11-2015
Some Windows isos can indeed decide on which version you want from the product key.

Also see: ei.cfg
oilman
17-11-2015
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Some Windows isos can indeed decide on which version you want from the product key.

Also see: ei.cfg”

Looking on another forum, some posters were saying modding the ei.cfg
folder does not work if you try to clean install th2 pro on a pc which came with 8.1 oem home (embedded key) later had 8.1 pro installed. It seems the installer picks up the embedded key for home and ignores any ei.cfg settings.
oilman
17-11-2015
Originally Posted by emptybox:
“Just to update you, the computer came just after I posted.
I clean installed Windows 10 Pro from the new Theshold 2 ISO (made with Media Creation Tool) that I'd put on DVD earlier and entered the Windows 7 Pro product key from the case right at the beginning of the process.
It installed and activated without any issues.

Presumably, as the 64bit ISO covers both Home and Pro versions, it used the product key to decide which to install, because it never asked?

This is an ex business PC, and the seller sells a lot of these, so I presume he wipes all the data as a matter of course. Certainly the drive was just unallocated space.
Probably Windows had originally been bulk installed, so the product key may never have been used before.
Either that or I was just lucky?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-Veriton-M275-Core-2-Duo-E7500-2-933GHz-Win-7-Pro-Tower-PC-4GB-320GB”

A little surprised seller did not put 7 back on pc as it would 'enhance' its value. But hey, you are in luck. Make a note of that 7 key and put it safely elsewhere as stickers get lost/fade etc, and you may need it one day.
hyperstarsponge
17-11-2015
Originally Posted by oilman:
“A little surprised seller did not put 7 back on pc as it would 'enhance' its value. But hey, you are in luck. Make a note of that 7 key and put it safely elsewhere as stickers get lost/fade etc, and you may need it one day.”

Well Windows 7 also gives you a chance to upgrade to 10 or 8.
RobinOfLoxley
17-11-2015
Scotch Tape over License Labels (not Sellotape)

Advanced Tokens Manager (or its previous version) can be useful: http://joshcellsoftwares.com/product...tokensmanager/



I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of ei.cfg. I mentioned it in case of some possibly wanting to have a Google.
emptybox
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by oilman:
“A little surprised seller did not put 7 back on pc as it would 'enhance' its value. But hey, you are in luck. Make a note of that 7 key and put it safely elsewhere as stickers get lost/fade etc, and you may need it one day.”

Yes I've made a note of the product key.
But it'll be an OEM one, so if I upgrade the motherboard in future, my retail 7 Home key may yet prove useful.
oilman
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by emptybox:
“Yes I've made a note of the product key.
But it'll be an OEM one, so if I upgrade the motherboard in future, my retail 7 Home key may yet prove useful.”

You could use retail home key inside a virtual machine in meantime for any programs that proved to be 10 compatible.
noise747
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“This is CrossOver

https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux

and these are StartIsBack and Classic Shell

http://startisback.com/

http://www.classicshell.net/


”

Cross over looks ok, but it is a subscription and then you are are forgetting about hard ware. which is also why my mate computer is still running XP, no drivers for the sound card on 7, even the 32 bit version.

i use Start is back on Windows 8.1 and I did use it on 10, I have not installed it on this session of ten yet.
Classic shell i stuck on a mates computer.
Quote:
“
Absolutely, it's risky to keep on using that outdated and unsupported OS and these days free Windows-like replacements, such as LXLE and Linux Lite, can usually be installed even on older equipment.”

If the software and hardware you want to use works on it.
Anyway, I do not see why you or other people are so worried, if someone using XP catches a virus on their machine then it is their problem, after all you are all running the latest so secure updated windows and got internet security, so it is not going to affect you.
Lisa.B
18-11-2015
I wish I hadn't been so eager to do this November update to 1511. I'm going to have to go through the rigmarole of rolling it back until it's more stable. Something within this update has blocked websites from being able to load on my laptop. I had to disable fast start to even get the update to install in the first place, so that should've been warning enough it was borked.
alan kearn
18-11-2015
Just checking

I have just installed Windows 10 and it appears everything is as it should be, checked on Disk Cleanup and found 23GB to be cleaned out (includes 20GB Old Windows folder) . Would some one please confirm I will be OK to clean this lot out.

Thanks
oilman
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by Lisa.B:
“I wish I hadn't been so eager to do this November update to 1511. I'm going to have to go through the rigmarole of rolling it back until it's more stable. Something within this update has blocked websites from being able to load on my laptop. I had to disable fast start to even get the update to install in the first place, so that should've been warning enough it was borked.”

Rolling back won't help much as it will just repupgrade.

Better to backup data and clean install.
RobinOfLoxley
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by alan kearn:
“Just checking

I have just installed Windows 10 and it appears everything is as it should be, checked on Disk Cleanup and found 23GB to be cleaned out (includes 20GB Old Windows folder) . Would some one please confirm I will be OK to clean this lot out.

Thanks”

It's fine, except Rollback will not be possible should you wish to revert.

But you did make a System Image first didn't you?



Leave it until you are sure.

Unless you are desperately short of disk space, windows.old is merely cosmetically annoying
Grumpy_Alan
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by alan kearn:
“Just checking

I have just installed Windows 10 and it appears everything is as it should be, checked on Disk Cleanup and found 23GB to be cleaned out (includes 20GB Old Windows folder) . Would some one please confirm I will be OK to clean this lot out.

Thanks”

It will be automatically removed after 31 days. Best to let it happen automatically, that way it will be a clean wipe!
alan kearn
18-11-2015
Advice taken

Thanks for your replies
WhatJoeThinks
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by Lisa.B:
“I wish I hadn't been so eager to do this November update to 1511. I'm going to have to go through the rigmarole of rolling it back until it's more stable. Something within this update has blocked websites from being able to load on my laptop. I had to disable fast start to even get the update to install in the first place, so that should've been warning enough it was borked.”

There's no reason to think that having to disable fast start in order to install the update has anything to do with websites being blocked. They are 2 different issues, 1 of which you have already solved. I suggest you work the problem rather than throwing your hands in the air. If you took a wrong turn during a road trip and found yourself in a cul-de-sac would you succumb to exasperation, give in and go all the way home?
WhatJoeThinks
18-11-2015
Whenever my 'Save As...' dialogue box pops up the default folder is '..Documents/YouCam', an entirely useless folder that I sometimes delete, but is resurrected every time I Skype somebody. I'd much prefer to drop things onto my desktop by default. Does anybody know how to set the default folder*?

(*Note that the new 'Save Locations' settings in Windows 10 only let you choose which hard drive to use, not which folder.)
RobinOfLoxley
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Whenever my 'Save As...' dialogue box pops up the default folder is '..Documents/YouCam', an entirely useless folder that I sometimes delete, but is resurrected every time I Skype somebody. I'd much prefer to drop things onto my desktop by default. Does anybody know how to set the default folder*?

(*Note that the new 'Save Locations' settings in Windows 10 only let you choose which hard drive to use, not which folder.)”

Have a look through these

https://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=...der&gws_rd=ssl

=-=-=-=

In general, some apps may require tinkering with Options or a Config file or Shortcut 'Switches'. but someone will almost certainly have had the same problem and published it before.

Have Fun.
WhatJoeThinks
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Have a look through these

https://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=...der&gws_rd=ssl

=-=-=-=

In general, some apps may require tinkering with Options or a Config file or Shortcut 'Switches'. but someone will almost certainly have had the same problem and published it before.

Have Fun.”

I'd already changed the default folder within my YouCam settings to Desktop, but it still resurrected the Documents/YouCam folder when I re-ran the program. After some Googling I uninstalled PowerDVD, another Cyberlink product that I never use. I'll reboot and re-check to see if I've made any progress shortly...

[Edit] This may be a silly question but what would happen if I remove YouCam altogether? My laptop came with the program preinstalled, and it seems to do something if I use Skype, so I've always assumed that my camera will stop working without YouCam.
starry_rune
18-11-2015
I've recently gone from a Chromebook to a Windows 10 laptop / Notebook. These are my findings.

1. The screen brightness is far easier to adjust and is much better on the Chrome. There is keys on the keyboard that do it. On this Windows 10 system, I've had to create a shortcut on the desktop to the power options in the control panel, and even then, the brightness doesn't go as low as I'd like for late evening.

2. Windows 10 has arrived in an age where some of its competition takes 7 seconds to boot up. This far exceeds that. And no wonder, with all the bloatware. It is well worth downloading CCleaner and seeing what is going to load on startup. I prefer something to load when I want it to load. So If I want i-tunes to open, I'll open it. there was mcaffee, i tunes helper, and umpteen other unnecessary things. Its going a lot smoother since they got disabled / removed.

3. Whenever I run CCcleaner, it tells me Microsoft Edge needs to be closed to clean the cache. I use Chrome, and Edge isn't in the startup options of Ccleaner. I don't open it. So it looks like more processes running that are taking up CPU in a bid to get us to spend more on Hardware.

4. The start menu is awful. I wish I could revert to classic.
WhatJoeThinks
18-11-2015
Okay, I seem to have removed YouCam's stranglehold over my system's Save As... dialogue, as it currently begins with Desktop. (Although YouCam's save location is now set to Desktop, so who knows?) Hopefully it will remember whatever the previous save location was or default to Desktop from now on. Thankfully the empty YouCam folders haven't returned.
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