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Old 24-11-2015, 23:16
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I know who are getting at and yes I am using it and that message above was not really a moan, just pointing out some things.

i thought I was rather kind to it to be honest. I at least admitted that the core of Windows is good.
I said, don't 'really' use it.................meaning in any serious capacity, which by your own admission, you don't.
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Old 24-11-2015, 23:27
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Nobody assumed anything. Just regulars having a chat -what is wrong with speculating?

In fact, the real reason (see my link above) is so mundane, and just basically MS trying to show they care about privacy. I think they have really excelled themselves in the 'shooting youself in the foot' department.

At the weekend, they make a statement that you will no longer be able to use isos in the future to clean install (hence major speculation - not just here but on many sites).

As of 10 pm, we find out it's all a flash in the pan, and the reasons are really trivial, and the isos are now back contrary to the weekend statements.

Whilst technically MS are undoubtedly very clever, when it comes to corporate PR, they have the intellect of a peabrain.

PS - re SD card agreement -I said 'possibly' ie conditional. If you are going to make replies get it right!
There's nothing wrong with speculating, I was simply asking why you felt so certain (or at the very least, worded your posts here as though you felt certain) about your speculation. To paraphrase William of Occam, it was far more likely to be something mundane than an elaborate conspiracy. What really baffled me is that you thought MS would inform the media and simultaneously issue gagging orders.
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Old 24-11-2015, 23:44
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The only speculation there was Alanwarwic saying 'probably' and it's clear he just meant that or some other 'minor' issue (ie possible MS overreaction)

That's the way I read his speculation anyway.
Alan was the only one I actually agreed with. He wasn't saying "definitely", just hazarding a guess. I only included his post for context. Whereas oilman said, for example, "The only logical explanation is that the new activation mechanism is has a loophole that enable people to activate multiple installs of Windows 10 using a single licence key." (Emphasis mine.)
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Old 24-11-2015, 23:50
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He was quoting someone else speculating. Hence the italics.
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Old 24-11-2015, 23:57
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Alan was the only one I actually agreed with. He wasn't saying "definitely", just hazarding a guess. I only included his post for context. Whereas oilman said, for example, "The only logical explanation is that the new activation mechanism is has a loophole that enable people to activate multiple installs of Windows 10 using a single licence key." (Emphasis mine.)

So I was using logic - problem is MS's reason was totally illogical! This is why Kirk often beat Spock at chess.
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Old 25-11-2015, 00:01
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So I was using logic - problem is MS's reason was totally illogical! This is why Kirk often beat Spock at chess.


To quote the pointy-eared one, "Insufficient facts always invite danger."
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Old 25-11-2015, 00:01
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Anyway, this is all a bit silly.

I think we may all be guarded or speculate wildly or enjoy a bit of Schadenfreudian light hearted banter, but we do (mostly) know what we mean and even when we say something is likely, we know it's only a possibility.
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Old 25-11-2015, 00:07
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Anyway, this is all a bit silly.

I think we may all be guarded or speculate wildly or enjoy a bit of Schadenfreudian light hearted banter, but we do (mostly) know what we mean and even when we say something is likely, we know it's only a possibility.
Pay no mind to my nitpicking. I'm the kind of person that gets frustrated when people say, "I'm sure", when what they actually mean is, "I'm not sure."

"Did you remember to check that the back door was locked?"
"Yeah... Yeah, I'm sure I did...?"
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Old 25-11-2015, 00:52
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Back to serious business, there is also an update tonight that supposed to fixes the defaults problem for those affected by it.

Now I am wondering how that can work?

How can MS tell what your changed settings were after they been reset to defaults ?
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Old 25-11-2015, 00:56
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They might look in the Registry Hive backups https://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=...e+file+backups
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Old 25-11-2015, 07:13
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On my PC where the November Service Pack finally installed, very nearly all the privacy settings were changed from "off" (how I'd previously set them, to prevent data being sent to Microsoft) to "on" (i.e. send data to Microsoft).

On my PC where the Service Pack installation got as far as the Great Circle Of Boredom before giving up, some of the privacy settings were changed from "off" to "on".

On my PC where the Service Pack installation failed silently behind the scenes, a few of the privacy settings were changed from "off" to "on".

So if the privacy settings are a concern to you, it would be appropriate to check them regularly.
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Old 25-11-2015, 08:19
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The only speculation there was Alanwarwic saying 'probably' and it's clear he just meant that or some other 'minor' issue (ie possible MS overreaction)

That's the way I read his speculation anyway.
Yes, that was the only info I saw around when I posted it. Possibly was a better word.

If it is back, exactly as was, maybe there were MS end issues or simply a panic went on with regards to the SD or some minor issue.
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Old 25-11-2015, 09:04
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Yes, that was the only info I saw around when I posted it. Possibly was a better word.

If it is back, exactly as was, maybe there were MS end issues or simply a panic went on with regards to the SD or some minor issue.

You have missed my earlier post - see #2996.

The reason was trivial.

MS's PR department should be fired for this!

A simple press release saying the iso were being temporarily halted was al, that was needed, not a heavy ham fisted statement saying isos of th2 were no longer going to be available.
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Old 25-11-2015, 09:26
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Just had the TH2 update come through this morning on a device I bought a few days ago, the Linx 1010B.
It took 5 min to download and 35 mins to install.
Now on Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.14)
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:01
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Looks like another Microsoft Cockup™, they are very popular after they fired Ballmer and Sinofsky. People are already reporting problems with the TH2, real, common problems, nothing obscure.
Like what? i know i did a clean install on my system and apart from the normal things I do not like in Windows 10 the Os itself is fine, Ok, some hardware which worked fine in original release of 10 took extra work to get going in the update, but the OS seems to working ok.
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:12
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I said, don't 'really' use it.................meaning in any serious capacity, which by your own admission, you don't.
Don't really use it, who really use their Os anyway? Most people opens a browser and that is it, some may use a office suite.

I do at least have more software on mine than a lot of people, Vegas, Photoshop, desktop publishing software,. office Suites, different bits of video software and audio.
I also use the Os to copy files back and forth, so I really have no idea what you neam about not using it.

Unless you mean stuff like Cortana, one drive, mail and modern apps, in which case no I don't use them, I do not have any reason to. If I want to search I open a browser and use the search system I want, I use drop box for the few files I have on the cloud, mail I use my own domain and Fossamail ( found that last week) and I have no need for modern apps as I use the same software I use on my last version of Windows.
I think the only modern app I see is the calculator and I do not use that very often as I got on on my desk.

Granted i have not that long ago installed Windows 10, but since it is now on my main drive i have little choice, how long it will stay on there is another thing, that is one good thing about making images, it is easy to swop.
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:13
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Just had the TH2 update come through this morning on a device I bought a few days ago, the Linx 1010B.
It took 5 min to download and 35 mins to install.
Now on Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.14)
You must have a really fast broadband to download TH2 update in 5 minutes (unless it was background downloading). The update is around 3GB.
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:16
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On my PC where the November Service Pack finally installed, very nearly all the privacy settings were changed from "off" (how I'd previously set them, to prevent data being sent to Microsoft) to "on" (i.e. send data to Microsoft).

On my PC where the Service Pack installation got as far as the Great Circle Of Boredom before giving up, some of the privacy settings were changed from "off" to "on".

On my PC where the Service Pack installation failed silently behind the scenes, a few of the privacy settings were changed from "off" to "on".

So if the privacy settings are a concern to you, it would be appropriate to check them regularly.
Best way is to use shut up 10, easier way to check. They just released a new version.
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Old 25-11-2015, 10:36
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You must have a really fast broadband to download TH2 update in 5 minutes (unless it was background downloading). The update is around 3GB.
The $Windows.~BT folder was only 1.19GB I noticed.
Noticed this on quite a few of the HP streams too when they got theirs earlier.
On other more powerful 64bit PCs its 3.64GB.
But yes of course it does do a background download, the WU download that takes 5 mins is just a file check I expect. This background downloading is one thing I'm really liking about the new way.
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Old 25-11-2015, 11:07
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Back to serious business, there is also an update tonight that supposed to fixes the defaults problem for those affected by it.

Now I am wondering how that can work?

How can MS tell what your changed settings were after they been reset to defaults ?
KB3120677 has arrived
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Old 25-11-2015, 11:15
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"Windows 10 version 1511 updates are cumulative."
(Microsoft Corporation)

Unfortunately.......so are minor doubts and niggles which impact on the degree of trust present in a relationship. Any relationship.
Microsoft need to be careful.


Cumulative. (adjective): "Increasing or increased in quantity, degree, or force by successive additions."
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Old 25-11-2015, 11:23
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"Windows 10 version 1511 updates are cumulative."
(Microsoft Corporation)

Unfortunately.......so are minor doubts and niggles which impact on the degree of trust present in a relationship. Any relationship.
Microsoft need to be careful.


Cumulative. (adjective): "Increasing or increased in quantity, degree, or force by successive additions."
If a person does not understand the meaning of the word 'cumulative', I doubt they are interested in MS update policy!
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Old 25-11-2015, 16:45
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http://betanews.com/2015/11/24/windo...out-permission

It removes software, but as yet, it is not actually banning the user software from running.
Are they setting the tone for the future I do wonder?
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Old 25-11-2015, 17:25
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My neighbour's computer (running Windows 10) lost the Start button and all the Taskbar icons, and came up with a "Something bad happened" error message.

I eventually found a way to run Control Panel and do a System Restore. That also came up with a meaningless error message but seems to have worked.

Needless to say, the buggy November Service Pack is the chief suspect.

He's now considering buying a Chromebook.
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Old 25-11-2015, 18:16
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He's now considering buying a Chromebook.
Will you be providing IT support when he cannot print or run the programs he wants?

If we all jumped OSs every time something went wrong we'd be back to using an abacus. Just put it down to experience and try again.
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