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Yes was always useful in linux, but also use in OSX.
I also have a multi monitor setup, but would like the six they had in the recent OSX keynotes. Not sure if it will get public use, but most Windows users will have never seen it, but it can be useful in many scenarios. Not sure if you can start up with a set of desktops, would hope it keeps the state from a restart and when MS send out their forced update! I do not think there is anyway to start acertain bit of software up on a certain desktop at boot up. The one problem I see is with software that uses lots of resources, you may have a few desktops with these software on and not realise that they still use memory and cpu. i9 just stuck Adobe photoshop onto the second desktop and it is using 233MB of memory, which is ok if you got a fair bit of memory. Ok it is not a lot, but you add more and more software and your machine could slow down. You can move windows or running software from one desktop to another. i doubt very much if many people will use the feature, in fact I wonder how many people will realise it is there. |
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File associations get reset each time. Wouldn't mind so much if the video & music players were any good - they kinda suck on a desktop; interface seems similar to what I have on my W8.1 tablet, on which they work quite well. But they just look and feel clunky on a desktop.
Whilst that is irritating, at least the OS seems pretty stable. On the other hand, W10 Mobile is definitely not ready for mass market. Or at least the latest build that I have on old Lumia 1020 is pretty bad. The store is dire, the interface is pretty poor and the camera app - whilst looking good - only records at full resolution (sorry, but I don't want 38mp stills all the time, ok!) i must admit the last update, everything stayed where it should be apart from the menu replacing Start is back, but i would expect that I suppose. |
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Not sure why people are still moaning about the tiles.....In W10 you never ever have to see them if you choose not to. They are only on the start if you physically pin them there.....Then it's your own fault...
![]() Meanwhile.....The Windows 10 campaign is growing....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu6vmNz-PhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQK68tfU-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCC48K1YhFM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIGAmPby30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJ1a1D4hdo |
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Are we anticipating hardware prices to decrease temporarily when Windows 10 launches to clear the old Windows 8 machines?
![]() I'm in the market for a new laptop, so could be good timing for me if so. |
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i must admit the last update, everything stayed where it should be apart from the menu replacing Start is back, but i would expect that I suppose.
System Restore always gets turned off Indexing options Automatic Maintenance (seems unadjustable now) Quick Launch Add Take Ownership App Associations Pinned Items |
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Will it be possible to create a DVD/USB stick from the downloaded files? I will be updating four machines and would like to save the download time.
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Will it be possible to create a DVD/USB stick from the downloaded files? I will be updating four machines and would like to save the download time.
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On the other hand, W10 Mobile is definitely not ready for mass market. Or at least the latest build that I have on old Lumia 1020 is pretty bad. The store is dire, the interface is pretty poor and the camera app - whilst looking good - only records at full resolution (sorry, but I don't want 38mp stills all the time, ok!)
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I have never seem the windows 10 upgrade window come up on my over 5 year old laptop but I may end up buying a new laptop or desktop PC anyway.
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Regarding multiple Desktops, they will be of no interest to me until they are true independent Desktops, ie with their own sets of icons, files, folders and shortcuts. Separate screen would have been good e.g. one for ms apps, one for video stuff etc. Actually since the desktop itself is only a folder, how difficult can it be to set up several folders, and just copy icons to the main working folder? It could be a challenge to compartmentalise open apps I guess. |
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Not sure why people are still moaning about the tiles.....In W10 you never ever have to see them if you choose not to. They are only on the start if you physically pin them there.....Then it's your own fault...
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Meanwhile.....The Windows 10 campaign is growing....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu6vmNz-PhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQK68tfU-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCC48K1YhFM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIGAmPby30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJ1a1D4hdo i thought I would have a nose earlier and the amount of stuff it wanted me to switch on, location, it wanted to nose into my messages and SMS, not that my computer uses SMS, check documents, check my contacts, which I have none on my computer, well not in any format Windows would recognise. Oh yeah, not to forget needing to sign on to their MS account.. People will still download Chrome or Firefox and then use Google as their search engine, it the way things are and MS may change how some people use their computer, but not many. |
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I forget now what the niggles are, but it's these sorts of things (or at least I have to check they are still as I want them)
System Restore always gets turned off Indexing options Automatic Maintenance (seems unadjustable now) Quick Launch Add Take Ownership App Associations Pinned Items I like to set up a Os as i like to use it, and not how the company who produces it thinks I should use it. I have set up windows 10 to not use any tracking, so location and other stuff like that is turned off, i use the browser I normally use, the third party software I normally use and I certainly have not activated Cortana. Saying that I did try ealier just to be nosy, but it wanted too many things switch back on. TBH, windows 10 scares me, MS wants to know far to much, it is worse than windows 8 to be honest. Maybe it is time to go back to windows 7 |
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I never realised system restore was off, why on earth do they do that for? System restore have been flipping useful in the past. I know I don't use it myself as i use thrid party software, but it have helped with other peoples computers.
I like to set up a Os as i like to use it, and not how the company who produces it thinks I should use it. I have set up windows 10 to not use any tracking, so location and other stuff like that is turned off, i use the browser I normally use, the third party software I normally use and I certainly have not activated Cortana. Saying that I did try ealier just to be nosy, but it wanted too many things switch back on. TBH, windows 10 scares me, MS wants to know far to much, it is worse than windows 8 to be honest. Maybe it is time to go back to windows 7 If you really want to get into the guts then i'd say roll your own boot disk with all your yes and no options set from the moment you pop in the disk and as for cortana....well thats for the bored moments so you spend the time watching tv and see something like a property is in x acres of land why not ask it what it is in square mm's or other trolling questions |
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I never realised system restore was off, why on earth do they do that for? System restore have been flipping useful in the past. I know I don't use it myself as i use thrid party software, but it have helped with other peoples computers.
I like to set up a Os as i like to use it, and not how the company who produces it thinks I should use it. I have set up windows 10 to not use any tracking, so location and other stuff like that is turned off, i use the browser I normally use, the third party software I normally use and I certainly have not activated Cortana. Saying that I did try ealier just to be nosy, but it wanted too many things switch back on. TBH, windows 10 scares me, MS wants to know far to much, it is worse than windows 8 to be honest. Maybe it is time to go back to windows 7 |
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The whole point in pinning them is to make it easier to find the software you use most, i am sure it would not take much for MS to allow people the choice of text or tiles. i know they are stuck on this live tile crap, but some of us just wantr to launch software and not bothered about the rest of the rubbish MS wants us to be interested in.
I just wonder if most people are interested in half of the features, like smile to unlock the computer, while I do not have a password for my computer, if I did I would just want to use the password not rely on facial recognition. How many people want to draw on their browser, also how many people will use Cortana on a computer? for a start it uses Bing, which to be honest is not that good a search engine and far too much tracking. i thought I would have a nose earlier and the amount of stuff it wanted me to switch on, location, it wanted to nose into my messages and SMS, not that my computer uses SMS, check documents, check my contacts, which I have none on my computer, well not in any format Windows would recognise. Oh yeah, not to forget needing to sign on to their MS account.. People will still download Chrome or Firefox and then use Google as their search engine, it the way things are and MS may change how some people use their computer, but not many. ![]() Personally, I prefer W8.1 Start to the W10 version at the moment. I may go back to using StartMenuX, then again, once I'm used to the change and it flows, I'll just get on with it. The new 'Hello' feature to unlock the screen relies on 3D technology and infra-red. The cameras to facilitate it are only just being released and cost around $100. No doubt prices will tumble soon. So just smiling is old hat now. ![]() The problem is that MS is at odds with the Old guard and the way forward. That is obvious from the advertising that they have chosen. You can argue all day long that it's not the way you want to go, but, there will soon be a generation who look at you gone out because you are using a desktop. They won't care that you have to log in with a MS account as long as everything they want is on tap, wherever they are. I think you are wrong and that millions of people will change the way they use their computers. It's too easy to forget that the vast majority of home users don't use their PC's for anything more than a bit of surfing and some emails. It's not about today or even this year, but, the next gen who don't have any baggage to hold them back. Just my opinion and I may be wrong, whatever happens it'll be more interesting than just stagnating.... |
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I have never seem the windows 10 upgrade window come up on my over 5 year old laptop but I may end up buying a new laptop or desktop PC anyway.
Darren Oh well it can stay, for a while.
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System restore has always been a half and half thing where one half of the population seem to think its anti virus and the rest just view it as something that probably won't take much more time than a nuke and restore and you'll never be 100% sure the system restore did not pop a few nasties back to bite in a few days
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If you really want to get into the guts then i'd say roll your own boot disk with all your yes and no options set from the moment you pop in the disk
i kind of do that, by making images of my set up, but if updates changes it then it makes no difference if you roll your own boot disk or notQuote:
and as for cortana....well thats for the bored moments so you spend the time watching tv and see something like a property is in x acres of land why not ask it what it is in square mm's or other trolling questions
That is ok i suppose if you got the computer where you watch TV.
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It's like Google on Android - Every App want access to everything including your location and Google wants you signed in and your credit card details if you need to pay for anything. I don't want everything I do linked to me.
I do admit I am signed in on it, but I have set things so that it do not keep a history, or i hope it don't anyway. |
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You don't need to pin anything to make it easy to find any more than you do in W8.1. Each can use it anyway they choose. Or you could just ask Cortana to open whatever you want..
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Personally, I prefer W8.1 Start to the W10 version at the moment. I may go back to using StartMenuX, then again, once I'm used to the change and it flows, I'll just get on with it.
i could not get on with Windows 8.1 start, I did have a goi with it for a while, but had to go back to a menu.Quote:
The new 'Hello' feature to unlock the screen relies on 3D technology and infra-red. The cameras to facilitate it are only just being released and cost around $100. No doubt prices will tumble soon. So just smiling is old hat now. so very few people will use the feature for a while then, I can not see the technology being put into leaper laptops, some of them do not even have a webcam, some people may buy the camera eventually for desktops. So maybe hello will be more useful in mobile phones and tablets, that is if the camera technology do not push the price of these units too high.
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The problem is that MS is at odds with the Old guard and the way forward. That is obvious from the advertising that they have chosen. What MS have to realise is that windows is used in a lot of business and they do not want all the fancy stuff and a lot of them can not log into a MS account if they want to or not.You can argue all day long that it's not the way you want to go, but, there will soon be a generation who look at you gone out because you are using a desktop. They won't care that you have to log in with a MS account as long as everything they want is on tap, wherever they are. As for the MS account, it seems that people do no care about privacy any more and will give what ever info is asked of them to anyone. Quote:
I think you are wrong and that millions of people will change the way they use their computers. It's too easy to forget that the vast majority of home users don't use their PC's for anything more than a bit of surfing and some emails. PC sales are going down, people are going more for tablets and phones and most of these do not have a Microsoft operating system on. I think Windows 10 is MS way of trying to get back into the market.It's not about today or even this year, but, the next gen who don't have any baggage to hold them back. Just my opinion and I may be wrong, whatever happens it'll be more interesting than just stagnating.... Saying that, a lot of people I know still uses a PC for more than just browsing and emails, but then these people got a computer for that reason. If I wanted a computer for just browsing then I could have got a lower powered laptop or a cheap desktop. It is these other software that needs a desktop, loads of software still out there for windows that uses the desktop and that is not going change for a while. |
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Exactly! I'd like to see a laptop or a tablet take my 4 satellite and on Freeview tuners and run a full PCTV set up. It's also runs everything else like high-end video editing and loads more. (Sometimes all at the same time.) And as it's a Desktop PC, I can get any card for it and plug it in and get it to do whatever I want.
Yes laptops and tablets are great for kiddies only interested in their sex life on social media or many a business commuter on a train, but for serious PC uses who want to get things done, they fall well short of what is needed. Still as usual they will go where the money is and that is kiddies/social media/angry birds - Nothing like serious computing. |
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PC sales are on the increase now the tablet market approaches saturation but home PC's have always been an underused resource, often just gathering dust in the corner.
Windows 10 will appeal to the younger user rather than the moaning luddites banging on about the start button et al. My eight year old grandson uses 8.1 on my Pro 3 with ease, he seemed to find it quite intuitive. I'll wait for the full release of ten before upgrading. |
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PC sales are on the increase now the tablet market approaches saturation but home PC's have always been an underused resource, often just gathering dust in the corner.
Windows 10 will appeal to the younger user rather than the moaning luddites banging on about the start button et al. My eight year old grandson uses 8.1 on my Pro 3 with ease, he seemed to find it quite intuitive. I'll wait for the full release of ten before upgrading. This is the generation that will grow up with W10 and have no trouble with it's layout etc. These are the workers of the future who will enter business using W10 and laughing at those who have not moved forward. Not everyone is a Power user, actual or imaginary. There is room for all types of OS, but, MS can't stick in the past because someone has an ancient printer that probably should have been replaced eons ago, or some programme that's run the fish tank for generations. Incoming!!!...................... ![]()
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Youngsters don't laugh so hard when you tell them that they should have backed up all their stuff and not broken their computer or whatever 5 minutes after getting it
The ones I help, at my own schedule's convenience, will also show due respect and gratitude and grovel and do chores for a suitable period aftwerwards |
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There is two types of young people, The PC users and the non PC users. The ones that have grown up with the older computer games may still want to play them at some point, Even if its Roller Coaster Tycoon.
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Youngsters don't laugh so hard when you tell them that they should have backed up all their stuff and not broken their computer or whatever 5 minutes after getting it
The ones I help, at my own schedule's convenience, will also show due respect and gratitude and grovel and do chores for a suitable period aftwerwards ![]() So many scenarios, so many people, that's why MS can't please them all and why all those who know better are on forums and not working for MS..
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