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Old 21-07-2015, 21:16
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Sorry, put this in the wrong thread............New cumulative patch.....Details HERE.
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Old 21-07-2015, 23:22
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The whole point in pinning them is to make it easier to find the software you use most, i am sure it would not take much for MS to allow people the choice of text or tiles. i know they are stuck on this live tile crap, but some of us just wantr to launch software and not bothered about the rest of the rubbish MS wants us to be interested in.


I just wonder if most people are interested in half of the features, like smile to unlock the computer, while I do not have a password for my computer, if I did I would just want to use the password not rely on facial recognition. How many people want to draw on their browser, also how many people will use Cortana on a computer? for a start it uses Bing, which to be honest is not that good a search engine and far too much tracking.

i thought I would have a nose earlier and the amount of stuff it wanted me to switch on, location, it wanted to nose into my messages and SMS, not that my computer uses SMS, check documents, check my contacts, which I have none on my computer, well not in any format Windows would recognise.
Oh yeah, not to forget needing to sign on to their MS account..

People will still download Chrome or Firefox and then use Google as their search engine, it the way things are and MS may change how some people use their computer, but not many.
You can't really complain about Bing tracking and snooping and then talk about Google as an alternative. This is Google who drove round in cars taking photographs of your house and logging your wifi traffic.

And the messages stuff is so Cortana can read messages to you and you can tell her to reply and dictate what you want to say. Plus seeing you have an appointment fifty miles away and being able to proactively alert you if traffic is bad and tell you what time you need to leave to get there on time.

It is a choice. Trade off potential tracking with added convenience. Millions of people already do that with every cellphone, even the most basic dumbphone, being able to be used to track your movements 24/7. People accept that because of the benefit of having a phone on you 24/7.
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Old 21-07-2015, 23:47
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Combined search was introduced mainly because it is a clever trick allowing search companies to catalogue your whole life and thus enhance ad sales.

Not everything is there for our convenience. Cookies again are much about the ads.
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Old 22-07-2015, 06:32
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There is two types of young people, The PC users and the non PC users. The ones that have grown up with the older computer games may still want to play them at some point, Even if its Roller Coaster Tycoon.
Off topic a bit but this post reminds me of the old computing joke:

There are 10 types of people who understand the binary system - those that do, and those that don't.

Perhaps thats what Windows 10 really means: those that understand it and those that don't!
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Old 22-07-2015, 13:43
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There will probably be downloadable iso's available once its properly released
They abandoned the 29th July launch and as yet have not set an actual date for a real launch.

They seem to be sending Betas to manufacturers who, it is said, if they get enough stability can release new hardware with W10 and a 'we tested it for stability' type sticker.

Maybe this is just marketing which infers that unfavoured manufacturers systems are flaky

Whatever they are up to, things will certainly seem a bit weird come the 29th non real launch.
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Old 22-07-2015, 14:49
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They abandoned the 29th July launch and as yet have not set an actual date for a real launch.

They seem to be sending Betas to manufacturers who, it is said, if they get enough stability can release new hardware with W10 and a 'we tested it for stability' type sticker.

Maybe this is just marketing which infers that unfavoured manufacturers systems are flaky

Whatever they are up to, things will certainly seem a bit weird come the 29th non real launch.
There is no date for a relaunch because they haven't 'abandoned' the 29th July.
True some features have been delayed until the October update, but, that was already on the cards.
Both Dell and HP have categorically stated that they will have W10 machines ready on launch day (29th).
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Old 22-07-2015, 23:20
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I notice Sony and some of the other OEMs are advising against being too quick to update to Windows 10. Seems some of them have just woken up to the fact that it could be support nightmare incase drivers and bundled OEM bloat stops working. http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/windows10/
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Old 22-07-2015, 23:41
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Having flitted through myriad permutations of W7 and W10, on two laptops, Home/Pro/32&64,since January, and various Virtual machines, I am struck by how much I really do like W7


I feel like a Religious Person who has serious doubts about the whole concept of their Faith

I mean, what is the point of W10?
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Old 22-07-2015, 23:46
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"We strongly recommend you do not upgrade to Windows 10 just yet, and wait for the information to become available. "

So maybe it is that Sony, unlike Dell supports Android too much and are now unfavoured by Microsoft.
Who knows, maybe the Dell 'Micrsofts best friend' stuff is dodgy but they just won't tell you.
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Old 23-07-2015, 00:59
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To quote Captain Jack Sparrow....
“The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Do you understand?”
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Old 23-07-2015, 01:02
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"We strongly recommend you do not upgrade to Windows 10 just yet, and wait for the information to become available. "

So maybe it is that Sony, unlike Dell supports Android too much and are now unfavoured by Microsoft.
Who knows, maybe the Dell 'Micrsofts best friend' stuff is dodgy but they just won't tell you.
I don't think this is anything to do with being favoured by MS. It just will take time to test out the latest builds of w10 with all the hardware. Safer to advise caution at least early on.

There's a heck of a lot of current and legacy machines from OEMs which qualify for a free upgrade to w10. In far too many cases the upgrade won't be as smooth as everyone would like and may need a few patches from the OEMs to ensure everything works okay. This is potentially the biggest roll out of an OS upgrade ever attempted - and as its free maybe too many people who would be better off waiting might be tempted to upgrade and get into difficulties. Especially for inexperienced users.

Could be a PR disaster for MS without the OEMs testing all models properly and rolling out gradually.
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Old 23-07-2015, 06:43
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I don't think this is anything to do with being favoured by MS. It just will take time to test out the latest builds of w10 with all the hardware. Safer to advise caution at least early on.

There's a heck of a lot of current and legacy machines from OEMs which qualify for a free upgrade to w10. In far too many cases the upgrade won't be as smooth as everyone would like and may need a few patches from the OEMs to ensure everything works okay. This is potentially the biggest roll out of an OS upgrade ever attempted - and as its free maybe too many people who would be better off waiting might be tempted to upgrade and get into difficulties. Especially for inexperienced users.

Could be a PR disaster for MS without the OEMs testing all models properly and rolling out gradually.
I have ran, sorry tried to run 2 of the beta Windows 10 releases and both had issues with my WiFi, simply would not connect on my old Lenovo laptop. So unless something has been fixed I will hit issues.
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Old 23-07-2015, 07:10
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I have ran, sorry tried to run 2 of the beta Windows 10 releases and both had issues with my WiFi, simply would not connect on my old Lenovo laptop. So unless something has been fixed I will hit issues.
It sounds like a driver issue.

I had to reinstall Windows 7 on a Dell desktop yesterday. It originally came with Windows 7. However, after a clean install of W7 SP1 it didn't have the network card driver. This kind of thing happens.

I think the sensible move would be to wait a few weeks and check with your hardware manufacturers to see if W10 is supported by your hardware.
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Old 23-07-2015, 08:28
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So it turns out the upgrades START on the 29th - at least for some, we might actually be waiting many weeks for the upgrade to come through.
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Old 23-07-2015, 08:54
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I have ran, sorry tried to run 2 of the beta Windows 10 releases and both had issues with my WiFi, simply would not connect on my old Lenovo laptop. So unless something has been fixed I will hit issues.
I had the following:
On one laptop, my W10 32 had Wifi probs. Specifically, it connected at first install, but later (after sleep or restart) it would only connect, automatically or manually, by running the Troubleshooter

Yesterday, I made, I hope, my final clean install of W7 SP1 then W10 10240, now 64 bit, and the exact same problem was apparent.
However, this time the Troubleshooter provided an extra piece of info and asked if I wanted it fixed ("DHCP not configured") instead of just showing "Problem fixed"

It is now working normally for me.
Right-click the Wifi Tray icon to try the Troubleshooter.
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Old 23-07-2015, 10:02
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So it turns out the upgrades START on the 29th - at least for some, we might actually be waiting many weeks for the upgrade to come through.
Where were you told anything else? It's better to roll it out gradually and not have the same problems that Apple had with there attempts to do it all in one go.
It won't take many weeks either, however, judging by most on here, they are going to wait anyway, so it won't matter.
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Old 23-07-2015, 11:40
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I haven't read all 14 pages of this thread so apologies if this has been asked already!!

I have a newish laptop - by newish, I mean a laptop which has Windows 7 (what it shipped with) and is ONLY ever used to web browse and for the kids to play Minecraft on!! It doesn't have any specialist programs installed - only the default stuff it shipped with.

I have installed some drivers for our HP wifi printer though (its quite a basic wifi printer - the HP 3050 All-In-One) on our laptop - will this automatically work if Windows 10 is installed or will it need configuring again?

Te kids also have folders with school work, saved to the laptop - do all these files get transferred over to Windows 10, in the update?

Do you think that by installing Windows 10 on this (I have had all the appropriate emails from MS and the pop up icon on the right of the Task bar on the laptop), it is really gonna throw everyone in the house and get them all confused (they're obviously used to Windows 7!)?!

Personally, I think it looks quite nice and straight forward!
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Old 23-07-2015, 12:06
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You don't have to move on, but most will.
Therefore one becomes gradually more isolated from all the moans, gripes and isn't Cortana, or whatever, amazing, and did you know you can do this or that.

This maybe more important for the young'uns.
You wouldn't send them out into the world only knowing XP and Office 2000 would you?

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Make a System Image of your current W7 set-up to an external hard drive
Upgrade and setup what bits you need in W10
Make another System Image of the W10 setup

You then have the choice of swapping between the two (subject to an hour or so of copying images back and forth)

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You could also get into Dual Booting or Virtual Machines, but that's another level of messing about
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Old 23-07-2015, 12:17
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Te kids also have folders with school work, saved to the laptop - do all these files get transferred over to Windows 10, in the update?
Yes

But computers (and upgrades) sometimes go wrong
Multiple copies of important personal data are essential in normal working anyway
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Old 23-07-2015, 13:15
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The 10 forced updates/bloat is explained here, at least as far as Microsoft want to let on.

http://www.howtogeek.com/223083/what...indows-10-mean
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Old 23-07-2015, 14:39
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The 10 forced updates/bloat is explained here, at least as far as Microsoft want to let on.

http://www.howtogeek.com/223083/what...indows-10-mean
Makes sense and offers you a perfect solution if you wish to defer them....
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Old 23-07-2015, 14:44
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A temporary delay on something unwelcome.
How generous of Microsoft.

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Old 23-07-2015, 16:16
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A temporary delay on something unwelcome.
How generous of Microsoft.

Must be quite distracting having a burning hate for something so trivial.....
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Old 23-07-2015, 17:15
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I haven't read all 14 pages of this thread so apologies if this has been asked already!!

I have a newish laptop - by newish, I mean a laptop which has Windows 7 (what it shipped with) and is ONLY ever used to web browse and for the kids to play Minecraft on!! It doesn't have any specialist programs installed - only the default stuff it shipped with.

I have installed some drivers for our HP wifi printer though (its quite a basic wifi printer - the HP 3050 All-In-One) on our laptop - will this automatically work if Windows 10 is installed or will it need configuring again?

Te kids also have folders with school work, saved to the laptop - do all these files get transferred over to Windows 10, in the update?

Do you think that by installing Windows 10 on this (I have had all the appropriate emails from MS and the pop up icon on the right of the Task bar on the laptop), it is really gonna throw everyone in the house and get them all confused (they're obviously used to Windows 7!)?!

Personally, I think it looks quite nice and straight forward!
I did a brief check on HP's website and they don't yet seem to have issued drivers for Windows 10 so I'd be inclined to hold off updating to Windows 10 until they do issue those drivers to enable full and proper communication between the operating system and the printer. I guess you could ask HP - http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/sit...6534.199480143 - when they will be issuing the drivers for Win 10 for that particular printer.

On the other point, personal saved data is usually preserved in operating system updates but I must stress that it's always advisable to back up any important and sensitive personal data, etc. before doing an operating system update just in case things do go pear-shaped.
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Old 23-07-2015, 18:12
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Must be quite distracting having a burning hate for something so trivial.....
Alanwarwic should just stick to Linux and be done with it. Can't see why he bothers to post here just to moan non-stop.
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