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Ulysses777
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I don't think I've ever said I don't like the start button - unless you know different? I have said Mac owners use their computers without one and it doesn't seem to be a problem. Perhaps that makes Mac users brighter - I don't know, what do you think?”

Apple removed the Apple Menu in the OSX beta, it returned not long after due to negative feedback.

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“I would like to see the source for your assertion that the 'majority' of Windows users want the Start button. Last figures I saw were 1.5 billion users worldwide - I certainly haven't been asked my views (officially) on the Start button, have you?”

And where's your source that the 'majority' didn't want the Start button?

Doesn't matter anyway, Microsoft have decided for you.

And you keep going on about 'change'. The whole idea of 'change' is supposed to make things better for everyone. The Windows 8 Start Screen may have helped on touchscreen devices, but the official majority of Windows devices are mouse/touchpad + keyboard, and many tasks on the Start Screen required more effort than the Start menu, therefore an example of when 'change' is wrong, when it helps some, but hinders others.

As for the start menu on Windows 10, you can access Apps, Programs, Search, File Explorer, Control Panel, Power Options, Device Manager, Task Manager, Event Viewer, System Properties, Command Prompt, Networking, and Computer Management, all with 2 or 3 mouse clicks. Can you do that with the Start Screen?
zx50
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by normalmisha:
“Are you kidding? Everything about the commercial software product "Windows" is a commercial decision. If you are selling a product to people, it makes sense to make it a product that the majority wants. The majority of people want the Start button - that's the end of the story. You're trying to make an argument where none exists. If you don't personally like the Start button - tough luck. The majority's preference is what matters in business.”

Absolutely! If you want your software business to become successful, it'll be best to listen to what the vast majority of your customers want from it. If Windows 10 is the last operating system that Microsoft are releasing, it'll only get more secure, more bug free and more improvements as the decades go by. There must have been a load complained about the Start menu being removed for Microsoft to have brought it back. It was a daft thing to do though, what with all I'm guessing) their operating systems over the years having it. It's not like it was a feature deep within the operating system. It was seen on the desktop when clicking a button.
oilman
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Orbitalzone:
“Guys can you advise please?
If I get a new Dell desktop and want to imemdietly replace the hard drive with an SSD with a fresh (non Dell branded OS) then all I need do is install SSD, install fresh ISO of Win10 and it'll activate OK because that machine was already licenced as W10 activation is hardware ID based or is there anything else to do?

Am I right in thinking W10 computers don't come with a COA sticker on them?

I recently acquired a W8 laptop with failed drive, I installed a new SSD and loaded W10 and it activated fine without me entering anything (and there was no w8 COA sticker on the machine)”

This s works because windows 8.1 licences are embedded in bios and latest version of windows 10 finds the key and simply activates automatically.

You can simply reinstall w10 on new ssd or clone it usin Macrium Reflexct Free or similar.

Note if you reinstall, remove old drive first or else you will end up with a dual boot system with boot vsectors on wrong drive.

Then, you need to set bios to boot from ssd, and then you can reconnect old drive and wipe it etc.
Orbitalzone
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by oilman:
“This s works because windows 8.1 licences are embedded in bios and latest version of windows 10 finds the key and simply activates automatically.

You can simply reinstall w10 on new ssd or clone it usin Macrium Reflexct Free or similar.

Note if you reinstall, remove old drive first or else you will end up with a dual boot system with boot vsectors on wrong drive.

Then, you need to set bios to boot from ssd, and then you can reconnect old drive and wipe it etc.”

Thanks for that, I had an idea it was in the BIOS, no need for COA stickers anymore I guess!
TelevisionUser
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Orbitalzone:
“Thanks for that, I had an idea it was in the BIOS, no need for COA stickers anymore I guess!”

Technically no, but I think it is always useful to retain a written copy of the operating system's product key (assuming that it is a proprietary one) just in case things go pear shaped.
Faust
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ulysses777:
“Apple removed the Apple Menu in the OSX beta, it returned not long after due to negative feedback.



And where's your source that the 'majority' didn't want the Start button?

Doesn't matter anyway, Microsoft have decided for you.

And you keep going on about 'change'. The whole idea of 'change' is supposed to make things better for everyone. The Windows 8 Start Screen may have helped on touchscreen devices, but the official majority of Windows devices are mouse/touchpad + keyboard, and many tasks on the Start Screen required more effort than the Start menu, therefore an example of when 'change' is wrong, when it helps some, but hinders others.

As for the start menu on Windows 10, you can access Apps, Programs, Search, File Explorer, Control Panel, Power Options, Device Manager, Task Manager, Event Viewer, System Properties, Command Prompt, Networking, and Computer Management, all with 2 or 3 mouse clicks. Can you do that with the Start Screen?”

Have I said that consumers didn't want the 'start button'? - that will be a NO! My gripe is with the interminable whinging about minor issues with Windows 10 that in the majority of cases a child in infant school could sort out. People just embarrass themselves with - my screen saver is now a picture of a dog but with W8.1 it was a cat - this new OS is to blame it's horrible, whinge whinge whinge.
fenlander
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“If Windows 10 is the last operating system that Microsoft are releasing...”

Seriously: you believe that? It's a piece of nonsense that belongs in the same collection of quotes as '640K ought to be enough for anybody'. Either that or Microsoft has inside information about the date of the apocalypse.
njp
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Have I said that consumers didn't want the 'start button'? - that will be a NO! My gripe is with the interminable whinging about minor issues with Windows 10 that in the majority of cases a child in infant school could sort out. People just embarrass themselves with - my screen saver is now a picture of a dog but with W8.1 it was a cat - this new OS is to blame it's horrible, whinge whinge whinge.”

You seem not to know much about user interfaces, and why they can be problematic.
Faust
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by njp:
“You seem not to know much about user interfaces, and why they can be problematic.”

Perhaps you could expand a little - should you be able, rather than the empty rhetoric?
Faust
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by fenlander:
“Seriously: you believe that? It's a piece of nonsense that belongs in the same collection of quotes as '640K ought to be enough for anybody'. Either that or Microsoft has inside information about the date of the apocalypse.”

Well to turn your argument on its head - can you provide evidence to the contrary?
Stig
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by fenlander:
“Seriously: you believe that? It's a piece of nonsense that belongs in the same collection of quotes as '640K ought to be enough for anybody'. Either that or Microsoft has inside information about the date of the apocalypse.”

This comes from a comment made by Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, who said "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10."

Nobody knows what that means - try Googling it for lots of theories. The conspiracy theorists and FUD mongers will tell you it's going to be bad, whatever it means. My guess is that Jerry was just talking bollocks.
njp
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Perhaps you could expand a little - should you be able, rather than the empty rhetoric?”

I could - but frankly anyone who thinks that a user not liking an interface that has been thrust upon them is the fault of the idiotic user and not the interface designer is unlikely to grasp the point. In the same way as Basil Fawlty should probably have avoided running a hotel, such people should probably not be entrusted with designing user interfaces.
Grumpy_Alan
29-02-2016
If you are really interested in interface layouts and understanding the various issues involved you could do worse than to read these two books.


"Prioritising Web Usability", Nielsen and Lorager,

and

"Universal Principles of Design", Lidwell, Holden and Butler
Faust
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by njp:
“I could - but frankly anyone who thinks that a user not liking an interface that has been thrust upon them is the fault of the idiotic user and not the interface designer is unlikely to grasp the point. In the same way as Basil Fawlty should probably have avoided running a hotel, such people should probably not be entrusted with designing user interfaces.”

Hmm! empty vessel then. your assumptions and misquotes are really something.
RobinOfLoxley
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Grumpy_Alan:
“If you are really interested in interface layouts and understanding the various issues involved you could do worse than to read these two books.

"Prioritising Web Usability", Nielsen and Lorager,
and
"Universal Principles of Design", Lidwell, Holden and Butler”

Forgetting the ins and outs of the whole of W10, just looking at the whole process for Media Creation Tool, from the perspective of an inexperienced user is still concerning.

I see someone is On-Watch on the leviathan oil tanker that is Microsoft though...

The 'Upgrade Now' button has been removed from the W!0 Media Creation Tool webpage!
Hurrah! But sadly, reference to the button remains in the grey 'Important' box further down.

Why is that? Does a software designer just get the order to 'Remove the button' but no order to make sure the text is edited too?

Sloppy, right from the get-go.

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The advice on checking your Language is also factually incorrect.

Settings>Region and Language (or Control Panel>Region) report Locale, not Install Language.

(Using the wrong download means you don't have the option of keeping files, apps and settings during any re-installs)

For most, this will just be minor confusion over en-GB or en-US, but some do buy their laptops in Europe and further afield.

It is quite a minor point, but if you design a Tool for a billion people, shouldn't you know the difference between Locale and Install Language?
Ulysses777
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Perhaps you could expand a little - should you be able, rather than the empty rhetoric?”

What have you provided, other than your own unsubstantiated insults of Windows users?

Originally Posted by Faust:
“Well to turn your argument on its head - can you provide evidence to the contrary?”

Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 on 14th October 2025.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle?C2=18165

So what happens next?
Faust
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ulysses777:
“What have you provided, other than your own unsubstantiated insults of Windows users?



Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 on 14th October 2025.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle?C2=18165

So what happens next?”

Quite likely there will be a Windows 10.1 following the format used by Apple with OS X. You accuse me of insulting Windows users then you post something like the above in the same post.

You're worrying about what might happen in 9 years time, Geez the world might have ended by then.
fenlander
29-02-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“You're worrying about what might happen in 9 years time, Geez the world might have ended by then. ”

Yep. Windows 10 Apocalypse Edition (AE).
WhatJoeThinks
01-03-2016
Originally Posted by fenlander:
“Yep. Windows 10 Apocalypse Edition (AE).”

That'll make any issues over a 'Start' menu look a bit redundant. Maybe they'll replace it with an 'End' menu.
emails
01-03-2016
I am trying to get freemake video dl working on Windows 10 which used to be an windows xp. Although it's down loaded and installed ok it's have problems opening up, any reason why.
lettice
01-03-2016
See in the upcoming MS windows 10 ads, that Microsoft are having digs at the Apple Mac

https://youtu.be/k6SVsf0k2i0
https://youtu.be/ln5LU532GuY
https://youtu.be/WHoHKjjttvQ
https://youtu.be/VOV1tQpgAs8
call100
01-03-2016
Stand bye for all the clever MS bug jokes people are going to attempt............and fail..
oilman
01-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ulysses777:
“What have you provided, other than your own unsubstantiated insults of Windows users?



Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 on 14th October 2025.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle?C2=18165

So what happens next?”

Obviouusly that date is just a nominal legal date simply to limit potential future financial liabilities of MS . To state it would be supported forever is totally unrealistic, and somebody with a licence might sue MS for lack of support years in the future.
Faust
01-03-2016
Originally Posted by oilman:
“Obviouusly that date is just a nominal legal date simply to limit potential future financial liabilities of MS . To state it would be supported forever is totally unrealistic, and somebody with a licence might sue MS for lack of support years in the future.”

The above - yes correct. The embarrassment lies with people who read these items and immediately add 2+2 and come up with 5. Is it any wonder they are not able to properly assess an operating system.

You just have to love the Internet don't you!
WhatJoeThinks
01-03-2016
Originally Posted by emails:
“I am trying to get freemake video dl working on Windows 10 which used to be an windows xp. Although it's down loaded and installed ok it's have problems opening up, any reason why.”

Freemake Video Converter? Have you tried to download the latest version? It says here that it works on W10.
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