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Old 15-03-2016, 14:36
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Looks like MS are pushing W10 automatically now. At least one PC under my control seems to have updated overnight without any provocation
There is no way that a PC will install Windows 10 without someone pressing 'OK' to a prompt to install.
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Old 15-03-2016, 14:42
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There is no way that a PC will install Windows 10 without someone pressing 'OK' to a prompt to install.
Mine also throws in an UAC prompt before it starts to do anything, but I have UAC on the maximum. I can imagine that the OP just dismissed/confirmed an "annoying" prompt the wrong way and the rest, as they say, is a history
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Old 15-03-2016, 14:44
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There is no way that a PC will install Windows 10 without someone pressing 'OK' to a prompt to install.
The people who use that computer are adamant that they didn't do anything, and the reddit post (as linked by the guardian) shows an awful lot of people who have seen the same thing.

There may well have been a prompt - but it doesn't do much good if it automatically assumes consent if you ignore it (or aren't at the PC when it's asking), similar to how it works when Windows Update wants to reboot the PC for any other reason.

Put it this way - those people have successfully ignored the prompts for the last 8 or so months, but you're saying that they suddenly decide to click "yes" along with lots of other people around the world at the same time? Ok then.
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Old 15-03-2016, 14:57
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The people who use that computer are adamant that they didn't do anything, and the reddit post (as linked by the guardian) shows an awful lot of people who have seen the same thing.

There may well have been a prompt - but it doesn't do much good if it automatically assumes consent if you ignore it (or aren't at the PC when it's asking)
People will lie to your face if they think they did something wrong. They think it's better than admit the truth and thus help you to find the problem. I have years of experience with this.
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Old 15-03-2016, 15:05
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People will lie to your face if they think they did something wrong. They think it's better than admit the truth and thus help you to find the problem. I have years of experience with this.
Once again - I'm not the only one who has seen this. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...g_reported_as/

I would have no reason to believe that they are lying. They have successfully ignored the barrage of prompts up to this point, and I consider it highly unlikely that they changed their mind along with lots of other people at the same time.

MS, meanwhile, does have previous form for pushing updates onto people
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Old 15-03-2016, 19:13
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Looks like MS are pushing W10 automatically now. At least one PC under my control seems to have updated overnight without any provocation.

MS claims that they aren't doing it, though http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...-automatically

What's strange is that initially, a user account that is an MS account lost all of its data, but after it rebooted automatically to apply updates, it all came back (onedrive etc is not involved)
Once again - I'm not the only one who has seen this. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...g_reported_as/

I would have no reason to believe that they are lying. They have successfully ignored the barrage of prompts up to this point, and I consider it highly unlikely that they changed their mind along with lots of other people at the same time.

MS, meanwhile, does have previous form for pushing updates onto people
There are quite a few general news and IT news outlets reporting this matter such as Computerworld Users seethe as Windows 10 arrives while their backs are turned and this quote was priceless:

"It happened to me last week. I'm still furious. It feels like someone broke into my house, installed spyware on my computer and rendered my favorite applications useless. F**k you Microsoft. F**k you to hell."

I think it's the most assertive upgrade process ever and I cannot recall it being this intense with any previous edition of a Microsoft operating system. It's probably doing wonders though for installations of Linux Mint, Ubuntu and Zorin.
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Old 15-03-2016, 19:54
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There are quite a few general news and IT news outlets reporting this matter such as Computerworld Users seethe as Windows 10 arrives while their backs are turned and this quote was priceless:

"It happened to me last week. I'm still furious. It feels like someone broke into my house, installed spyware on my computer and rendered my favorite applications useless. F**k you Microsoft. F**k you to hell."

I think it's the most assertive upgrade process ever and I cannot recall it being this intense with any previous edition of a Microsoft operating system. It's probably doing wonders though for installations of Linux Mint, Ubuntu and Zorin.
I'm fairly sure these are the same people who have Google Chrome, McAfee and various other crapware installed on their PC because they can't read dialog boxes.
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Old 15-03-2016, 20:15
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There are quite a few general news and IT news outlets reporting this matter such as Computerworld Users seethe as Windows 10 arrives while their backs are turned and this quote was priceless:

"It happened to me last week. I'm still furious. It feels like someone broke into my house, installed spyware on my computer and rendered my favorite applications useless. F**k you Microsoft. F**k you to hell."

I think it's the most assertive upgrade process ever and I cannot recall it being this intense with any previous edition of a Microsoft operating system. It's probably doing wonders though for installations of Linux Mint, Ubuntu and Zorin.
You mean that last time there was a free upgrade to the latest OS bloggers didn't cherry pick quite so many aggressive, sweary posts to quote? It would have made for a better quality article if Gregg had chosen more articulate posts. Take this one, for instance:

"This bricked my father's computer. He was prompted to install a driver disk which he didn't have during installation, leading to a crash which totally crapped out his system," berniesright added to the Reddit thread on Sunday. "After many hours I was able to do a fresh install with my Windows 10 disk, only to discover that his computer now couldn't be activated, as the OEM number was no longer recognized. Real s***storm. [About] 12 hours wasted on this, plus all my father's data lost and still more OEM hassle to deal with. F*** Microsoft."
Reading between the lines I'd say that berniesright hasn't got a clue what happened or why, and that far from having his dad's computer bricked, they actually ended up with Windows 10 installed. Any loss of personal data was likely due to the loose nut behind the wheel.

And you think that these people who can't understand how to operate Windows will fare better on Linux, Ubuntu and Zorin?!
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Old 15-03-2016, 23:13
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I'm fairly sure these are the same people who have Google Chrome, McAfee and various other crapware installed on their PC because they can't read dialog boxes.
You mean that last time there was a free upgrade to the latest OS bloggers didn't cherry pick quite so many aggressive, sweary posts to quote? It would have made for a better quality article if Gregg had chosen more articulate posts. Take this one, for instance:

Reading between the lines I'd say that berniesright hasn't got a clue what happened or why, and that far from having his dad's computer bricked, they actually ended up with Windows 10 installed. Any loss of personal data was likely due to the loose nut behind the wheel.
True, we do not know the state of computer knowledge that these afflicted individuals have although some appear to work in medical establishments so they ought to have a grasp on things.

Even the Guardian's featuring this news story now:

Windows 10 automatically installs without permission, complain users. Microsoft denies claims on Reddit, forums, gaming sites and Twitter that Windows 10 is being forced on Windows 7 PCs without asking users.
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Old 15-03-2016, 23:26
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I have a couple of issues , not sure if they relate to the OS or not.

Office 2016 keeps reverting back to the colourful scheme when I open it, I change it back to grey but again if I close and reopen all office programmes have reverted back

Also if I want to change wireless networks and disconnect one it wont connect to the other , I have to unplug the adapter replug in and do a troubleshoot before it will work and again if I want to switch back
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Old 15-03-2016, 23:33
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True, we do not know the state of computer knowledge that these afflicted individuals have although some appear to work in medical establishments so they ought to have a grasp on things.

Even the Guardian's featuring this news story now:

Windows 10 automatically installs without permission, complain users. Microsoft denies claims on Reddit, forums, gaming sites and Twitter that Windows 10 is being forced on Windows 7 PCs without asking users.
Wow - Even the Grauniad jumping on the sweary quote bandwagon, including an unsubstantiated report from another anonymous Reddit user who probably doesn't understand what 'bricked' means! It's just shameless snowballing, in my opinion. The 'forums' in "Reddit, forums, gaming sites and Twitter" probably includes this very thread. It all adds up to very little.
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Old 16-03-2016, 07:57
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A lot of opinion but no little actual accuracy about the upgrade.

Windows 10 is downloaded a recommended update and: if you updates are set to automatic and include recommended updates, it will start to install.

At this stage, you can still decline the upgrade.

Ok this is bad enough but now here (allegedly) is the unacceptable part.

It seems that if you do not decline the upgrade within a reasonable time period (allegedly 20 minutes), the upgrade continues anyway.

I cannot verify this personally but there seems to be quite a bit of evidence to support this assertion.

So to say it is just user error may be inaccurate.
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Old 16-03-2016, 08:13
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I have a couple of issues , not sure if they relate to the OS or not.

Office 2016 keeps reverting back to the colourful scheme when I open it, I change it back to grey but again if I close and reopen all office programmes have reverted back
On your Office problem, that is in the fix list, its a known problem.
Seen plenty mentioning this problem recently.
So just keep applying those updates and it may be fixed soon.
Did see that back in the Autumn, was fixed for many there, so looks like more needed to fix.

Might be worth providing feedback on that problem to MS, using the W10 feedback tool.
Ask Cortana, click the circle icon or press Win + S and say or type feedback.
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:03
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Running Hot

Due to a gradual slow down of my laptop I had to reinstall the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything went well except that the CPU is now running a lot hotter than it was before.
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:27
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Having used Windows Vista perfectly satisfactorily for a number of years, when I bought a new PC in 2014 it came with Windows 8.1 installed. I quickly got used to it and I like it very much indeed.

Microsoft has installed Windows 10 installation files in readiness for the time that I 'choose to upgrade'. I don't want to upgrade, so I continually ignore the pop-ups that accompany their coercions to do so.

This week, in common with hundreds of Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 users (if social media and numerous other forums are to be believed) I too have been plagued with Windows 10 trying to install itself without being asked. Not only that, but the installation can start at any time without warning, cutting across whatever you might be doing at the time (this happened to me twice). There are no screen minimising options, no options to cancel it or delete it, so the only way to stop it continuing to install Windows 10 was to turn the PC off at the mains.

I've since been into the Windows Updates page and unchecked the 'Automatically Install Updates' box in favour of the 'Give me recommended updates in the same way I receive important updates'. I have left unchecked the box which says 'Give me updates for other Microsoft products when I update Windows' assuming that will stop Windows 10 stuff arriving.

No updates of any description have actually been installed since 12.3.16 but obviously I want all the regular Windows 8.1 updates without all the Windows 10 stuff.

My Updates status page now says:

Most recent check for updates: Today at 11:01
Updates were installed: 14/3/16 at 18:11 (failed)
You receive updates: For Windows only

Updates to install:

Important (1) - upgrade to Windows 10 Home, version 1511, 10586 (2.68MB) .. the box appeared to be checked, so I unchecked it
Optional (35) - Windows 8.1 Drivers (5), Windows 8.1 (29), Windows 8.1 and later drivers (1)

All the above 35 remain unchecked, so should I check them all and click 'Install' having first reassured myself that there is no Windows 10 stuff lurking in there?

How can I rid my computer of all this Windows 10 material ... indeed, is it actually possible to achieve this?
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:39
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I have a ,for eg, sound program I used to use on windows XP(evolution midi). It says its not compatible with my OS now(windows 10) , even if I run it in XP compatibility mode. Anyone any ideas and how to get old programs running, or am I going to have to make a dual boot (win 10/XP) so I can run my old programs on XP.
Thanks
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Old 16-03-2016, 15:12
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I have a ,for eg, sound program I used to use on windows XP(evolution midi). It says its not compatible with my OS now(windows 10) , even if I run it in XP compatibility mode. Anyone any ideas and how to get old programs running, or am I going to have to make a dual boot (win 10/XP) so I can run my old programs on XP.
Thanks
You could try running a copy of XP under Windows 10 in a virtual machine, e.g Virtualbox. I don't know whether this would work out-of-the-box for your application, or indeed at all...
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Old 16-03-2016, 15:23
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I have a ,for eg, sound program I used to use on windows XP(evolution midi). It says its not compatible with my OS now(windows 10) , even if I run it in XP compatibility mode. Anyone any ideas and how to get old programs running, or am I going to have to make a dual boot (win 10/XP) so I can run my old programs on XP.
Thanks
I wouldn't do either. Get yourself another 2nd hand machine (<£100?) to run WinXP, remove it from all and any networks and run your music software on that. If it's fully isolated, you won't even need any anti-vrius or similar.
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Old 16-03-2016, 16:31
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How can I rid my computer of all this Windows 10 material ... indeed, is it actually possible to achieve this?
Download 'GWX control panel' from Ultimate Outsider. You can switch off the whole W10 circus and delete everything associated with it.
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Old 16-03-2016, 16:59
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Download 'GWX control panel' from Ultimate Outsider. You can switch off the whole W10 circus and delete everything associated with it.
Thanks fenlander .. this is the first instance I've seen on any forum or website where a definitive solution has been put forward.

Before I go for it I'm bound to ask you: Is it safe and/or have you used it yourself?
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Old 16-03-2016, 17:11
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Thanks fenlander .. this is the first instance I've seen on any forum or website where a definitive solution has been put forward.

Before I go for it I'm bound to ask you: Is it safe and/or have you used it yourself?
I've used 'GWX control panel' on 4 different Win7 systems for several months now with no negative effects whatsoever [http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/]
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Old 16-03-2016, 17:31
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I've used 'GWX control panel' on 4 different Win7 systems for several months now with no negative effects whatsoever [http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/]
Thanks Boneman1946 .. a quick surf around the net seems to approve of it also, so I'll give it a go.
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Old 16-03-2016, 17:34
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Thanks fenlander .. this is the first instance I've seen on any forum or website where a definitive solution has been put forward.

Before I go for it I'm bound to ask you: Is it safe and/or have you used it yourself?
GWX Control Panel has been mentioned several times in this thread and other threads in the forum. It's safe.
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Old 16-03-2016, 19:19
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Wow - Even the Grauniad jumping on the sweary quote bandwagon, including an unsubstantiated report from another anonymous Reddit user who probably doesn't understand what 'bricked' means! It's just shameless snowballing, in my opinion. The 'forums' in "Reddit, forums, gaming sites and Twitter" probably includes this very thread. It all adds up to very little.
A lot of opinion but no little actual accuracy about the upgrade.

Windows 10 is downloaded a recommended update and: if you updates are set to automatic and include recommended updates, it will start to install.

At this stage, you can still decline the upgrade.

Ok this is bad enough but now here (allegedly) is the unacceptable part.

It seems that if you do not decline the upgrade within a reasonable time period (allegedly 20 minutes), the upgrade continues anyway.

I cannot verify this personally but there seems to be quite a bit of evidence to support this assertion.

So to say it is just user error may be inaccurate.
I also wonder if there's a latent bug somewhere that gets tripped into operation if a certain set of particular circumstances arise and that this has given rise to the self-installation phenomenon. I think it's only happening to a minority though, albeit a vocal one.

I have no doubt that Microsoft developers are looking into this issue as a matter of urgency to try to reduce the incidence of this effect irrespective of the (disputed) cause:

Microsoft upgraded users to Windows 10 without their OK

Windows 7: Are you serious right now? (Windows 10 forced)
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Old 16-03-2016, 21:12
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Thanks fenlander .. this is the first instance I've seen on any forum or website where a definitive solution has been put forward.

Before I go for it I'm bound to ask you: Is it safe and/or have you used it yourself?
Yes, on multiple machines. And it's fully reversible should you later decide to install W10.
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