Peeps can discuss any aspect of Windows 10 on here to their hearts' content - who the hell are you to dictate the direction of the banter?

Classic OS fixation. Like the Linux obsessives who argue endlessly about the pros and cons of THIS distro with THAT desktop, reload their OS every week and presumably get very little else done. (Which, incidentally, is half the reason a lot of people run a mile when someone mentions Linux.) Is there some reason I should know, or care, about 'redstone'?

Mr DOS is right: the OS is there to serve the applications, not the other way around.

http://www.winbeta.org/tags/redstone


Some other info here:

http://www.networkworld.com/article/...i-changes.html

Ah, the voice of reason and common sense. I saw a man a couple of weeks doing a presentation using an ancient version of Powerpoint on a Win2000 laptop. If it meets his needs, why does he need to update? I still use some 14yo applications. Why? because they do what exactly I want and in one case, there is no good, low-cost, modern replacement. (As it happens that program still runs happily under W10) Like the man says, I use my computer for the applications, not the OS.

Who the bloody hell do you think you are?

Do not be so effing arrogant to criticise me for taking an interest even if you do not give a toss.

Now China is taking an issue. That's a lot of (pirated) installations

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ch...-idUSKCN0YI0CK

That's a rather peculiar response to the post you quoted.

When somebody begins their post with "For those interested..." and, by your own admission, you don't actually understand the rest of what they wrote, why on Earth would you accuse them of obsessive fixation?!

Assuming that you've bothered to Google it by now, and you understand that Redstone is just the name of the next major update, can you see how oilman was simply discussing Windows 10 in a thread about Windows 10? So not really that obsessive.

I find that most Windows 10 users have simply gotten on with their lives. The only obsessives are the Windows 10 luddites who hate Microsoft and everything that they stand for with a passion, apart from the Windows operating system that they use, which they can't bear to part with.

I can make suggestions but I do not indulge in personal attacks on individuals.

So get lost.

LastPass extension is now available for Microsoft Edge
You need to be running the latest Insider build 14352 for Windows 10
Works great.

Remote Desktop for Windows 10 is now out of preview. About time, they have really dragged their heals on releasing this fully.
More info in the blog about all the exiting preview changes
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/rds...iting-preview/

'Luddites' is one of those terms that future generations will probably regard as unacceptable. It seems always to be used abusively. And yes, I do know what it means.

In my case, I await a new SSD from Amazon, at which point I will clone one of my existing W7 laptops to it, upgrade it to W10 (using the media creator) and give it a try. If I don't like it I'll just revert. I'm able to do this because I disabled the automatic upgrade at an early stage and have taken the time to make a proper implementation and recovery plan. I've been through every GUI since GEM and I'm not afraid of change, so please be careful with the assumptions you make.

My quarrel has never been with W10 per se, but with the unconscionable way MS has foisted what has been an extended customer-based beta exercise on millions of users without due diligence. I have seen people on limited broadband contracts charged £30 for the W10 download that they didn't want. I have an elderly friend with very limited eyesight who was in a complete panic that her heavily customised PC would become completely unfamiliar to her following an unwanted upgrade. I have neighbours whose W10 ugrade has failed, as has their attempt to roll the system back. Most of the victims have been people who use their PC in the same way they use their dishwasher - which they have a right to do - but IT-savvy people have not been immune.

MS has betrayed its customers and I will say so at every opportunity. Perhaps someone in some MS office somewhere reads forums like this one and if the anger felt by many users is made clear to them, just maybe they will think twice before employing the same tactics again.

Oh, I don't doubt that.

I'd be very interested to know whether the upgrade retains all the settings and programs relating to the visually impaired. If it does then your elderly friend needn't have worried, and the scaremongers would be arguably more culpable than Microsoft.

I agree with this. I may or may not choose to update my Windows 7 machine to Windows 10, but if I do, it will be at a time of my choosing, in a manner of my choosing (i.e not via Windows update!) and after I have made preparations for rolling back to my original configuration if it all goes pear-shaped. Until recently, I was confident that I was in full control of the process, but recent reports made me a lot less sure. And as someone who is often called upon to support other people's computer use, that was not a comfortable feeling.

A few months ago, I upgraded a friend's computer from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. But in order to do this, I took his computer from his rural location, with its dodgy broadband connection, to my home, with a fast broadband connection. I backed up his system, and then updated it using the Media Creation Tool. Everything went well, and both he and I are much happier with Windows 10 than we ever were with Windows 8 or 8.1. So (with the caveat that Windows 10 is a platform whose future evolution cannot be controlled by the end user), it seems like a good OS. But if the update had been automatically initiated at his location via Windows Update, I can almost guarantee (based on bitter experience) that it would have failed, and that I would have had to sort out the resultant mess.

What I don't understand is why people are still faffing around trying to avoid certain updates or switching them off altogether. Just run Never 10. Once. All 83 non-installed kilobytes of it. I did, and all those feelings of uncertainty about whether this was going to be the day Microsoft finally forced Windows 10 on me vanished instantly!

"Please Note: Never10 does NOT prevent the installation of ANY Windows updates, including the infamous Get Windows 10 (GWX) update KB3035583. What Never10 does is use Microsoft's fully documented and sanctioned system settings to prevent ANY update of Windows. Windows does not offer any clean means for robustly and selectively preventing Windows updates . . . and it is not necessary."

^^^ Now that is what I call Pragmatism.

Now that I would love to see and I normally hate the Jeremy Kyle show 😃

Me too, though I've had Recommended Updates (now mysteriously called Optional Updates on the Recommended Updates page) switched off from the day I installed W 7 and 8. If I want one, I see what it is first then tick a box to request it. That I would continue even if running Never 10 - though I've never had so much as a squeak from MS regarding W 10.

However for readers who are nervous about installing Never 10, it's worth pointing out that the author Steve Gibson of Gibson Research is a well known and trusted independent computer/software/security consultant who's produced neat pieces of interesting and useful code like this for years. I would have no hesitation in using one of his freeware products. None, zero, zilch.

Never 10 is just a simple system editor - something that Microsoft could have added but chose to leave out.

China isn't amused. MS can tell individual users to **** off, but when China says "Jump!", MS asks "How high?" They are all desperate to get on that gigantic market.

+1 for GRC and their (free) firewall penetration tester Shields Up

https://www.grc.com/intro.htm

I would not at all be surprised if recent incidents such as this one led to more people moving to Chromebooks, OS X (including hackintoshes) and free Linux operating systems.

If our friends in China have any sense then they'll move to their own home-grown Deepin Linux which doesn't contain any NSA backdoors.

I agree. This is one of Microsoft's very bad ideas.

Well - it is pretty obvious some will. Hardly an earth shattering prediction - but how many?

However for the vast majority (99+% I would guess) they will not. Changing OS is a far more significant change than changing version of Windows.

...along with stopping company IT staff from barring employee access to Windows 10 Pro's app store:

Windows 10 Pro No Longer Lets IT Block App Store. Microsoft dealt administrators a blow with its Windows 10 Pro 1511 update, forcing them to migrate to Windows 10 Enterprise should they want to prevent Windows Store access.

There can only be one logical explanation for that move - to encourage businesses to move to the more expensive enterprise edition of Win 10 which does permit that blocking function.


However, the change from Win 7 to Win 8 was pretty substantive and I am sure that many computer users were upset and confused by that particular radical change.

This is an operating system we're discussing here not spying for hostile power. Betrayal's a bit strong don't you think? BTW consumers today are beta testers for just about any sort of tech they buy. Manufacturers have long since cottoned on to the fact that it's cheaper for the public to test their products in the wild than employ a lot of people to fully test a product before it is released for sale.

What the hell was that massive Windows 10 update that has just taken 45 minutes to install and ended with promising new features?

It's updated my graphics driver to the latest one that doesn't work on some important programmes for me and won't let me roll it back!

Just uninstall it and then install the one you had before then.