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Old 11-06-2016, 16:35
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Why are you still using IE11? Install Chrome and you will be emailing to your hearts content within minutes.
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Old 11-06-2016, 17:17
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Why are you still using IE11? Install Chrome and you will be emailing all your personal info + browsing history to Goggle to your hearts content within minutes.
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Old 11-06-2016, 17:35
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Why are you still using IE11? Install Chrome and you will be emailing all your personal info + browsing history to Goggle to your hearts content within minutes.
I think you need new Goggles
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Old 11-06-2016, 18:10
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Install Comodo Dragon browser & you will have no privacy issues.
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Old 11-06-2016, 18:22
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Why are you still using IE11? Install Chrome and you will be emailing to your hearts content within minutes.
I actually prefer IE11, controversial as that may sound. It's far better at rendering images at different scales than Chrome, for example, and I have all my Accelerators set up nicely. It's a myth that Internet Explorer is rubbish. 10 years ago it was lagging behind other browsers, but not anymore.

More to the point I design websites, and Internet Explorer still holds the lion's share of the desktop market, so I primarily ensure that they work on IE before ensuring compatibility on other browsers. I have several installed, including Chrome which I've now re-installed.

As it stands I can now click on an email link in IE and it opens mail.google.com in Chrome. Not the best solution, but at least I can now test different mailto link encodings.
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Old 11-06-2016, 18:27
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Install Comodo Dragon browser & you will have no privacy issues.
Nor will I have addressed the problem of not being able to open mailto links with Gmail in Internet Explorer 11.
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Old 12-06-2016, 10:15
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Why are you still using IE11? Install Chrome and you will be emailing all your personal info + browsing history to Goggle to your hearts content within minutes.
Oh geez not that old chestnut again. What are you folks hiding and do you think MS aren't doing similar?
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Old 12-06-2016, 10:18
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I actually prefer IE11, controversial as that may sound. It's far better at rendering images at different scales than Chrome, for example, and I have all my Accelerators set up nicely. It's a myth that Internet Explorer is rubbish. 10 years ago it was lagging behind other browsers, but not anymore.

More to the point I design websites, and Internet Explorer still holds the lion's share of the desktop market, so I primarily ensure that they work on IE before ensuring compatibility on other browsers. I have several installed, including Chrome which I've now re-installed.

As it stands I can now click on an email link in IE and it opens mail.google.com in Chrome. Not the best solution, but at least I can now test different mailto link encodings.
What makes you say IE still has the lions share of the desktop market? I suppose you are still using 'Flash' too?
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:36
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Yes, IE is the most used Web Browser, and yes Flash Player. IE is always assumed others maybe supported.

I don't go with viral info, don't care what geekdom says, use what I prefer and what is popular. I have Chrome installed for a particular reason, but it's use is very much secondary.

That's the reality.

OK you can use creative statistics and 'prove' otherwise, why bother with this trivia, people get on with it and use applications which work for them.
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Old 12-06-2016, 13:19
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In business, schools and colleges, IE is often all you get.

But for that, I expect it would have long since been vanished from mindsets.
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Old 12-06-2016, 23:18
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What makes you say IE still has the lions share of the desktop market? I suppose you are still using 'Flash' too?
Well, I don't want to get into a protracted debate about this given the tone of your second question, which I'll assume is rhetorical, but I'll try to answer your first question. You must understand though that I'm not trying to convince you, and I don't really care whether you agree.

Anecdotally, people seem to be using Internet Explorer. By people I mean potential clients. This is supported by the statistical ebb and flow of usage statistics in which IE usage peaks during office hours, then falls below Chrome in the evenings. This also seems to be evident to my potential clients, who largely believe that their potential clients are using IE, thus they have a vested interest in me ensuring that their website works perfectly well on IE.

I'm aware that on a worldwide average Chrome browsers top the usage charts, with roughly twice the usage as IE. My potential clients are generally more interested in what other UK businesses are using. If you think about it, when they say that the mobile market now comprises 50% or more of Internet traffic, you also have to consider that most of that traffic goes to Facebook and other sites that are often irrelevant to UK businesses.

I'm not interested in discussing the marketing potential of social media here. And it should go without saying that I actually make websites that have complete cross-browser compatibility. I also use Chrome from time to time.

Forgetting all of that though, I'd just like to say that Internet Explorer 11 is actually a really great browser! It might be cool to berate it and sing the supposed virtues of Chrome, but I'm not really interested in that. I don't tie my hair in a 'top knot', have both arms covered in tattoos or any of the other things that fashion dictates either.
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Old 13-06-2016, 06:35
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Sorry to let facts get in the way of a good argument, but here are some recent browser use statistics:

https://www.netmarketshare.com/repor...08&qpcustomd=0

Chrome recently overtook IE, possibly due to a negative reaction to Edge.
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Old 13-06-2016, 08:47
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If you think about it, when they say that the mobile market now comprises 50% or more of Internet traffic, you also have to consider that most of that traffic goes to Facebook and other sites that are often irrelevant to UK businesses.

I'm not interested in discussing the marketing potential of social media here. .
I have no interest whatsoever in FB and Twatter. Never used it and never likely too.
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Old 13-06-2016, 08:47
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I switched from IE to Firefox lately, because I had many interrupted downloads in IE. It might not be completely IE's fault, my ISP might be to blame, too, but it was happening several times daily with IE and it only happened once with Firefox. So at least it's more resilient and handles problems and recovers better.
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Old 13-06-2016, 09:20
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Sorry to let facts get in the way of a good argument, but here are some recent browser use statistics:

https://www.netmarketshare.com/repor...08&qpcustomd=0

Chrome recently overtook IE, possibly due to a negative reaction to Edge.
I'll be sure to mention that next time I have an argument with a client. And perhaps I'll tell them that ensuring backwards-compatibility with IE6 is pointless on the grounds that far better browsers are available. Maybe throw in a few pithy remarks to try and make them feel foolish and antiquated too. Clients love that!

https://www.crunch.co.uk/blog/small-...-bad-browsers/
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Old 13-06-2016, 10:11
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Back in post #4028 I asked whether anyone had upgraded a Lenovo z370 laptop, as the manufacturer's website does not consider these machines suitable for W10.

In case there are any other z370 owners reading this, I have now upgraded both my machines (from W7) using the Media Creation Tool and have encountered no hardware or software related problems. I believe that one or two Lenovo special key functions, like one-key theatre, no longer work, but these are functions I never used anyway. On this basis, I consider the z370 to be compatible with W10.
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Old 13-06-2016, 13:33
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I'll be sure to mention that next time I have an argument with a client. And perhaps I'll tell them that ensuring backwards-compatibility with IE6 is pointless on the grounds that far better browsers are available. Maybe throw in a few pithy remarks to try and make them feel foolish and antiquated too. Clients love that!

https://www.crunch.co.uk/blog/small-...-bad-browsers/
Don't you just love clients who remain in the dark ages, but you can bet the bosses have the latest mobile phones!
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Old 13-06-2016, 22:13
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Don't you just love clients who remain in the dark ages, but you can bet the bosses have the latest mobile phones!
This is my thought exactly. Your average UK office worker has an iPad at home, an Android smartphone in their pocket and a Windows PC running Internet Explorer at work.
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Old 14-06-2016, 08:17
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Suppose its a sort of win for MS and Windows 10 that Apple have decided to rename OSX to macOS.
Made me laugh anyway.
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Old 14-06-2016, 10:52
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Suppose its a sort of win for MS and Windows 10 that Apple have decided to rename OSX to macOS.
Made me laugh anyway.


Weren't macos the military arm in Enterprise?
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Old 14-06-2016, 11:07
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http://www.cultofmac.com/393895/shou...-for-ipad-pro/

"The iPad Pro has the potential to be the ultimate 2-in-1 — a laptop that could really replace a notebook when you need to get stuff done. But in many ways, it’s being held back by iOS, which is still very much a mobile platform without many of the basics we have on our desktops — like a file manager."

It has to be a pre-step to the merging of functionality. OS/X is now too consumer and business niche so MacOS is going to have to embrace the full IOS app system ASAP.

At least they can learn from Windows 10.
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Old 14-06-2016, 17:42
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It has to be a pre-step to the merging of functionality. OS/X is now too consumer and business niche so MacOS is going to have to embrace the full IOS app system ASAP.

At least they can learn from Windows 10.
Will be interesting to see what comes of it. IMO Apple have already done a grand job of alienating any professionals that were long-term Mac owners.

Sadly I feel MS are going the same way to some extent. They are trying very hard to cater to the "app" generation and ignoring the concerns of users who just want to use their PC like a normal person would.
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Old 14-06-2016, 18:03
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Will be interesting to see what comes of it. IMO Apple have already done a grand job of alienating any professionals that were long-term Mac owners.

Sadly I feel MS are going the same way to some extent. They are trying very hard to cater to the "app" generation and ignoring the concerns of users who just want to use their PC like a normal person would.
Perhaps you're just focusing on UI changes too much.
Apple is bringing a new file system to macOS.

Windows 8 brought many advances for power users (e.g. storage spaces, ReFS). Windows 10 has brought Hello, enhancements to Command Prompt, Bash for sys admins and developers etc.

You talk about the app generation and then talk about normal users. Today there is no difference between the two. It's the balance of personal computing has moved to smartphones, tablets and why things like Chromebooks are getting more popular.
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Old 14-06-2016, 19:20
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Perhaps you're just focusing on UI changes too much.
Apple is bringing a new file system to macOS.
This is something that has been long overdue and I believe it may have been promised a while ago.

Although the UI is an issue it is clear in general that more and more is being dumbed down or removed. This extends into Apple's professional applications rather than just the OS. Film makers, musicians, designers...these are the ones that happily hand over large sums of money for specialist hardware and software but over the last few years have been shunned in preference to uni students looking for a laptop to use in Starbucks.

Windows 8 brought many advances for power users (e.g. storage spaces, ReFS). Windows 10 has brought Hello, enhancements to Command Prompt, Bash for sys admins and developers etc.

You talk about the app generation and then talk about normal users. Today there is no difference between the two. It's the balance of personal computing has moved to smartphones, tablets and why things like Chromebooks are getting more popular.
A few minor tweaks yes (I do like the right click menu for advanced users) but the app ecosystem is unnecessary - a lot of the apps simply do not need to exist but have been made because they can. My concern relates more to the amount of gunk that simply isn't needed by 90% of Windows desktop users that is on/opted-in by default.

Someone recently asked me if it was necessary to create a Microsoft logon after they had upgraded to Windows 10. I explained it wasn't and that the option is there to use a local account if they look hard enough. Yes you miss out on the app store but having being stung by Microsoft's horrendous customer service with compromised accounts there is no way I would trust them with my main PC logon.

Maybe I am the exception but if I want to muck around with apps or do casual surfing I have an Android tablet/phone. If I want to do work, extended surfing or run real applications I use the PC. The 2 mediums are very different - attempting to blend them generally results in a worse experience.
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Old 14-06-2016, 22:45
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No problems with today's cumulative update, so far.
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