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Old 03-07-2016, 17:37
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Why would anyone want to go from W10 to 8.1??
I think MS have said quite firmly that home and small business will not be charged. The problem with people poking around in the depths of the system is that they read things with no actual interpretation or idea of how they are going to be used. Then the frenzies start and everyone starts speculating with no real answers and so it goes on.
If people decided they didn't like 10.
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Old 03-07-2016, 17:50
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Advertising is where the money is, so maybe it will quickly become like Amazon 'with ads' offerings, wherefor a premium you get rid of the ads.

Of course, if Bing ad revenue increases big time then W10 as adware is less likely to be imposed on us.
Anything can happen.
That could be why they wanted as many Windows users as possible on Windows 10, for the advertising. There must be an absolute TON of computer users using Windows out there. In fact, according to online statistics, about 88% of them are using Windows. If it's true about the advertising, that must have been why Microsoft were so desperate to get as many Windows users as possible on 10.
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Old 03-07-2016, 20:31
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Probably MS is adding the ability in to be able to remotely turn on/off features, the basic features will be windows 'core' and available for everyone but if you want a quad cpu system to use all 4 physical cpu's then thats $5/month and if not it'll only use two physical cpu's so if you are needing some extra pew pew for a month you just get the extra cores activated.

Its nothing new at the mainframe/big iron end of the spectrum where the licensing really gets messy.
How can you say 'probably' for something that has no supporting evidence whatsoever?
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Old 03-07-2016, 20:46
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How can you say 'probably' for something that has no supporting evidence whatsoever?
Well, quite. People don't half talk some sh*t sometimes, mostly due to a poor grasp of language.

Same goes for suggestions that Microsoft are 'so desperate' for people to use Windows 10. It's just meaningless hyperbole, like saying that a milkman is 'so desperate' to get people to drink milk.

They're selling Douwe Egberts for half price at the Co-op. They're so desperate to get me jacked up on caffeine, the swines!
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Old 03-07-2016, 21:03
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How can you say 'probably' for something that has no supporting evidence whatsoever?
I'm used to mainframe/big iron styles of license crap so its not unusual for sites to pay for more pew pew at certain times of the year when they need it, also pretty much everything at the top end is an option so need a cobol compiler that'll cost you etc, for the average windows user all you are going to see is more of a pushing to the store.

I should say i've got no inside knowledge of the MS hive mind so i could be talking absolute hairy 'you know whats' but it would be for the mid range sort of business by allowing them to tailor their systems.
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Old 03-07-2016, 21:34
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I'm used to mainframe/big iron styles of license crap so its not unusual for sites to pay for more pew pew at certain times of the year when they need it, also pretty much everything at the top end is an option so need a cobol compiler that'll cost you etc, for the average windows user all you are going to see is more of a pushing to the store.

I should say i've got no inside knowledge of the MS hive mind so i could be talking absolute hairy 'you know whats' but it would be for the mid range sort of business by allowing them to tailor their systems.
Even if you'd began your previous post with "In my opinion.." the suggestion that MS might stop people's own computers from making use of the entire chipset unless they paid a monthly premium is laughable. OEMs - a major source of revenue for MS - wouldn't be very happy, would they?
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Old 03-07-2016, 22:06
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If people decided they didn't like 10.
Back to W7 I can understand, slightly, but to 8.1?...................Nah!....
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Old 04-07-2016, 16:21
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Back to W7 I can understand, slightly, but to 8.1?...................Nah!....
I actually had to recently use 8.1 on an app that does not work on 10. Whilst I preferred 8.1 over 7, I had forgotten how quirky it was and could not remember where all the settings were as I had not used it for ages.

Windows 10 is definitely more intuitive,.
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Old 04-07-2016, 19:10
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This thread has certainly been going off topic, but I think I've learned enough to know that having taken two days to restore Windows 7 32-bit up to date on a new hard drive from a 2009 disk, I certainly don't want to risk Windows 10 when I don't actually need it.
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Old 04-07-2016, 19:20
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Even if you'd began your previous post with "In my opinion.." the suggestion that MS might stop people's own computers from making use of the entire chipset unless they paid a monthly premium is laughable. OEMs - a major source of revenue for MS - wouldn't be very happy, would they?
Well we don't know MS's long term plans, probably it won't be allowing/not allowing use of cpu's etc for the average user but once we go from windows 'core' which could basically be the home edition today and if you have a workstation you can either buy or lease the extra cpu if you need it...the average retail buyer will never even know that you can get 2,4,8 etc cpu system and won't care.

I'd imagine though more the aim will be to sell services, so lets say the next halo game comes out on xbox/pc and you can either pony £50 for a lifetime license or if you just fancy it for a month or two just £5-10 while you go achievement crazy and with it being linked to you if you go visiting someone then you only have to log in and the game gets downloaded an in theory an hour later you're pwning like the best of them.
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Old 04-07-2016, 19:59
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This thread has certainly been going off topic, but I think I've learned enough to know that having taken two days to restore Windows 7 32-bit up to date on a new hard drive from a 2009 disk, I certainly don't want to risk Windows 10 when I don't actually need it.
You may not 'need' it but most well informed people should want it. It's better than Windows 7 in most ways, and it's free for a couple more weeks, saving you £99.

Backup your Windows 7 install, try Windows 10 (so you get the free license) and you can always restore your 7 if you want.

It's no brainer for a couple of hours work IMHO.
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Old 04-07-2016, 20:38
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You may not 'need' it but most well informed people should want it. It's better than Windows 7 in most ways, and it's free for a couple more weeks, saving you £99.

Backup your Windows 7 install, try Windows 10 (so you get the free license) and you can always restore your 7 if you want.

It's no brainer for a couple of hours work IMHO.
But is it worth installing on a PC with an Intel Core i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93 GHz, 3.0 BG RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 210? Windows might be technically better from a geek's point of view, but how would I benefit from it. Can I even run a 64 bit operating system on my PC?
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Old 04-07-2016, 20:46
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But is it worth installing on a PC with an Intel Core i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93 GHz, 3.0 BG RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 210? Windows might be technically better from a geek's point of view, but how would I benefit from it. Can I even run a 64 bit operating system on my PC?
If a PC runs W7 it should run W10 at least as well. If it's currently 32-bit it will upgrade to 32-bit W10.

The bottom line is, you won't know unless you try.
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Old 04-07-2016, 22:55
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But is it worth installing on a PC with an Intel Core i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93 GHz, 3.0 BG RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 210? Windows might be technically better from a geek's point of view, but how would I benefit from it. Can I even run a 64 bit operating system on my PC?
It's i3 and reasonably fast - definitely 64 bit capable - could just do with more RAM - recommend 8 GB. Hell - windows 10 runs ok on older celerons and pentiums,

i3 is sort of top end of pcs in the sub £300-400ish range, and is a significant fraction of current pc sales with Windows 10

To me this is a no brainer - Windows 10.
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Old 05-07-2016, 08:54
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It's i3 and reasonably fast - definitely 64 bit capable - could just do with more RAM - recommend 8 GB. Hell - windows 10 runs ok on older celerons and pentiums,

i3 is sort of top end of pcs in the sub £300-400ish range, and is a significant fraction of current pc sales with Windows 10

To me this is a no brainer - Windows 10.
I'm guessing their PC is 32bit because of them saying "Can I even run a 64 bit operating system on my PC?". If it is, more RAM will be pointless.
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Old 05-07-2016, 09:24
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I realise I'm very late to the party but I just bought a new laptop which is running Windows 10 and wow, it's a fantastic OS.

My old laptop ran Windows 7 (it was unable to update to w7 sp1 so therefore couldn't update to W10). I enjoyed W7 a lot and I don't think it had dated too badly but Windows 10 feels very fresh and has a lot of new features that come in handy.

My work computer is running Windows 8.1 which nothing seems intuitive and the metro system never worked for 'proper' computers. But I think MS have really hit the nail on the head with W10
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Old 05-07-2016, 13:42
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I'm guessing their PC is 32bit because of them saying "Can I even run a 64 bit operating system on my PC?". If it is, more RAM will be pointless.
its intel i3 - it is 64bit.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:42
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I realise I'm very late to the party but I just bought a new laptop which is running Windows 10 and wow, it's a fantastic OS.

My old laptop ran Windows 7 (it was unable to update to w7 sp1 so therefore couldn't update to W10). I enjoyed W7 a lot and I don't think it had dated too badly but Windows 10 feels very fresh and has a lot of new features that come in handy.

My work computer is running Windows 8.1 which nothing seems intuitive and the metro system never worked for 'proper' computers. But I think MS have really hit the nail on the head with W10
A lot was riding on the success of W10. Microsoft simply had to make a better OS than W8. With the major free update due in early August, W10 should be even better.
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Old 05-07-2016, 15:42
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A lot was riding on the success of W10. Microsoft simply had to make a better OS than W8. With the major free update due in early August, W10 should be even better.
It depends what you mean by free. All users on Windows 10 get the UPGRADES for free, and contrary to conspiracy theorists, that will not ever change for non-enterprise users.

It will not be free to windows 7/8 users who do not upgrade by end of July.
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Old 05-07-2016, 18:11
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its intel i3 - it is 64bit.
I was thinking more their operating system. Doesn't matter anyway.
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Old 07-07-2016, 17:41
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I'm getting pi**ed off now with Windows 10 asking me if I want to try Office for Windows 10. No I bloody well don't. Is this the price to pay for getting 10 for free? Is there any way to stop these free offers from appearing?
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Old 07-07-2016, 19:32
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A taste of things to come. Windows 10 is a marketing-led product. Get used to it.

Of course, you can turn off almost all the annoying new features, replace the menu, set up a local account and ignore the useless apps. Then you end up with something very like Windows 7, and nearly as good.
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Old 07-07-2016, 21:57
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^ I'm now getting the feeling that this is why 10 was offered as a free upgrade for so long. I wouldn't be surprised if offers from other companies started appearing so long after the time limit of the Windows 10 free offer.
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Old 07-07-2016, 22:04
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What a load of tripe.........I have W10 on about five machines now and never see anything about Office for windows.
Go to - Settings - System - Notifications & Actions - Get Office - deselect the notifications.
Uninstall the 'Get Office' from the start menu also.

I know it's controversial but third party start menu's don't improve W10, they just act as a zimmer frames for those who find moving forward difficult.
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Old 07-07-2016, 22:13
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What a load of tripe.........I have W10 on about five machines now and never see anything about Office for windows.
Go to - Settings - System - Notifications & Actions - Get Office - deselect the notifications.
Uninstall the 'Get Office' from the start menu also.


I know it's controversial but third party start menu's don't improve W10, they just act as a zimmer frames for those who find moving forward difficult.
Not really. The underlined bit is why you're not seeing it. If it wasn't happening, I wouldn't have said it.
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