I don't think people have a problem with their OS getting updates (it's for your own good, security wise), but what people don't like is when they are installed.

Personally, I'be never had a problem with automatic updates; the PC warns me it wants to update, and I can delay it. I'm sure some people ignore the warning and then wonder why their PC reboots. The other issue it the long delay on the next boot when the updates are applied. Again, I choose to reboot when it suits me. People may not know they don't have to fully shut down and restart their PC every day - that's what Sleep is for.

I know I keep going on about it, but; if users stopped fighting the way that Windows is designed to work and just adapted their behaviour slightly, there wouldn't be so many gripes.

This post was typed and sent in Microsoft Edge.

It's not bad so far but only has Google and Digital Spy remembered so far. Will have to add all my usual places soon.

Ah so you mean it will sweep across the world like midnight on New Years Eve?
Let's wait for the fireworks, I say!

(Seattle is -8 to us, so don't expect anything too early)

It's not the default auto-update that is the problem. It's the fact that you cannot (with Windows 10 Home) roll back in the event of problems (the recently-released tool from MS allows that).

I also just saw that system restore is disabled by default (or was that always the case?). Either way you can enable that but with Windows 10 Home the updates will happen automatically again (without MS's new tool). So, if you had a BSOD you would get it again. That's what the article was saying.

I had BSODs from a new Synaptics Touchpad driver some weeks ago.
If I re-installed my working driver, Windows 10 TP Update simply put the broken one back

I also found a (manual) workaround to Hide the faulty driver before it could be installed and that worked for a little while.

Then it came back.
I suspect Major Updates or Build Upgrades Unhide or remove anything outstanding.
Therefore, if an update is faulty it will be re-installed again then.

Fortunately, if I turned off my Touchpad, and didn't check on it via Device Manager, my system didn't crash.
Since I always use wireless mice with my laptops, it wasn't a problem once l knew what was going on

Obviously, many drivers have to be used, eg Graphics ones, so a permanent solution is very desirable.


I don't know why MS are insisting that Drivers are continuously updated anyway.
Longstanding advice has always been not to update them unless they are causing a problem or new ones provide some benefit that is wanted by the user.

Not a major disaster for me as I just shut down and plug in my current Windows 7 Drive. So all in all a major inconvenience of about 2 minutes!

Allegedly, this Microsoft tool allows you to block/delay some updates. Although it mentions the Insider Preview, it should work on the final version:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

The basic problem is that some users are stupid enough to just turn off updates and never turn them on again, because their ill-informed mate told them to do so.

Another great article: Windows 10: Fact versus Fiction:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/295...s-fiction.html

So how come that fact or fiction simply ignores the real concerns/facts ?

Having read about the way to upgrade. Looks like i'm doing the install from windows update wednesday (making sure I uninstall endpoint first though as that caused havoc when trying to install a test version) then when I get windows 10 in do a reset (not a refresh install) I'll figure out the ISO side of it and what not later

If you have a bit of skill you can create an ISO for the 10240 RTM from the install.esd file. I did this and I've got the same result as the other guy - I can upgrade from an activated windows 7 installation just fine. It is not the preview.

Whether this is the way the official free upgrade process is going to work, I don't know

That get Windows 10 thing that was pushed to Windows 7/8 computers put me off downloading every update

I only did a clean install of Windows 7 about a month ago. Would I still need to do a clean install of Windows 10 or can I just keep everything as is and update?

It just seems silly to have to reinstall all my programs again when I've spent the past fortnight getting everything back to how I like it.

It will almost certainly be fine. Make a System Image first to be almost certainly certain.

I have Win 8.1

Is it possible to do a clean install to Win 10 once it's released?

Do the Update/Upgrade first. Microsoft makes a note of your system details in their database.

Later, when you do a clean install, they know and it should be fine without entering License Key (skip/enter later if you are requested)

People going for the 'free' upgrade are crazy imo. It's got disaster written all over it. Expect bugs, crashes, programmes not working, sluggish performance, nagware etc. Stay on Windows 7 (or 8.1 if you are happy with it) and if 10 proves a hit get it when you upgrade your machine next.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I take it you are not part of the insider programme and are just guessing? I've had no problems with 8.1 from day one and 10 is working fine on my laptop....
You enjoy 7 and let us crazies carry on discussing W10 in the W10 thread.....

What an ill informed and frankly stupid post.

No nagware here, nor sluggish performance. Oh, and no crashes and no programmes not working here either.

Worst.troll.post.ever.

I'd partly agree with this: yes, there will be some bugs, some software incompatibility. If you are running a system with lots of older software (which you don't have the install disks for) then creating a full system backup before you upgrade is vital.

Even though I have never been a fan of Windows 8.x I'm not going to condemn W10 to death before it's even born.

Any thoughts on how this will roll out, which country first?

Might be worth looking here, the esd has downloaded for me.

C:\$Windows.~BT\Sources
2.63 GB (2,825,253,674 bytes)
Created: 23 ‎July ‎2015, ‏‎15:42:39
Modified: 28 ‎July ‎2015, ‏‎09:12:41

Search for install.esd, of course its a hidden folder.

Its arrived, no prompt for install yet, suppose tomorrow for that.

I thought it was time zone related. Say 9am from Australia on.

Haven't noticed any problems with running the preview builds of 10 for months. All of my applications work, the computer is as fast as ever, not complaining. The only thing I dislike so far is the requirement to link your user account to your microsoft account to get the preview builds (or a "free" copy of Windows, though this is not required if you upgrade formally)

For it to "prove a hit", people have to upgrade to 10. But you're saying don't upgrade to 10, but wait for others to do it first. Do you see that there's a bit of an issue with that argument?

Could be it.